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    askandanswer reacted to AR_Member in counsel vs. commandment   
    I would recommend going to the topical guide in the Scriptures under "Counsel" and look at everything in the D&C, specifically D&C 101:8, 103:5, and 105:37 where the saints were under condemnation for esteeming the counsels of the Lord (through his servants) lightly. Brigham Young once said that he never delivered a sermon from the pulpit that was not scripture. Counsels are a form of correction. They put us on a higher standard than the rest of the world. When we refuse to accept them with the same seriousness and regard as the "temple questions" we are leaving ourlseves open to the firey darts of the advesary.
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    askandanswer reacted to Dravin in What about Unions?   
    At it's heart a union is the freedom of association and the right to control your own labor (aka if you're going to work or not). I'm disinclined to pass laws preventing people from associating with other individuals in their field (or even workplace) and telling them they can't quit en mass (we seem to have no problems letting employees cut people loose en mass).  Now where today's unions go past this conceptual nugget is where they have legal protections that essentially change the balance between employer and employees and change it to employer versus employees + government, I think lively and healthy debate can be had about those legal protections and advantages and if they should be eliminated. I can even see lively and healthy debate over if a particular union is doing more harm than good for it's members. I find generally speaking people hone in on those last two subjects, but they are somewhat different than discussing if unions themselves should be allowed.  
     It would take what they offer, short-term and long-term, to be equal to or greater than the investment (monetary and time) they would require of me. In short, they must offer a net value.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Litzy in Interracial Marriage   
    To me, this simply sounds like an updated version of the Lord's instructions to the ancient Israelites that they not intermarry with the people in surrounding territories.
     
    This morning I listened to an interesting and informed radio broadcast of a discussion about marriages between people of different cultures. The person being interviewed is in the final stages of completing her research which focussed on intercultural marriages, for which she interviewed 44 people. There was also some excellent phone-in listener contributions from the audience. It’s a good insight into, and discussion of, some of the issues that can arise with interracial marriages. The segment goes for about 20 minutes or thereabouts. It can be listened to at http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lifematters/the-impact-of-moving-overseas-for-love/6332456. 
     
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    I note that in the quote above, President Kimball didn’t say we had to marry someone of the same sex...........
     
     
    but I guess that went without saying back them.
     
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    and the fact that he didn't have to say it back then, but that it might need to be said now, or in 20 years time, would be an example of how counsel on marriage may need to change from time to time.  
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    askandanswer reacted to The Folk Prophet in My gay best friend wants me to attend his wedding   
    Which way do you face?
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Blackmarch in Can you make a digital copy of your Patriarchal Blessing?   
    I did exactly that many years ago. I made sure that in my re-typing, I included not just the text of the blessing but also the name of the Patriarch who gave it, then date it was given, and the reference number, in the top right corner. These days, you can just order a copy of your blessing online through the church website.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Treble.clef in Can you make a digital copy of your Patriarchal Blessing?   
    I did exactly that many years ago. I made sure that in my re-typing, I included not just the text of the blessing but also the name of the Patriarch who gave it, then date it was given, and the reference number, in the top right corner. These days, you can just order a copy of your blessing online through the church website.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from pam in Missionaries safe after Cyclone Pam hits   
    I notice that the url posted by Pam ends in lone - pam and it is immediately followed by a reply from a rider and a picture of a horse. Makes me think of a man who used to ride a horse called Silver. 
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    askandanswer got a reaction from carlimac in Interracial Marriage   
    To me, this simply sounds like an updated version of the Lord's instructions to the ancient Israelites that they not intermarry with the people in surrounding territories.
     
    This morning I listened to an interesting and informed radio broadcast of a discussion about marriages between people of different cultures. The person being interviewed is in the final stages of completing her research which focussed on intercultural marriages, for which she interviewed 44 people. There was also some excellent phone-in listener contributions from the audience. It’s a good insight into, and discussion of, some of the issues that can arise with interracial marriages. The segment goes for about 20 minutes or thereabouts. It can be listened to at http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lifematters/the-impact-of-moving-overseas-for-love/6332456. 
     
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    I note that in the quote above, President Kimball didn’t say we had to marry someone of the same sex...........
     
     
    but I guess that went without saying back them.
     
    pps
    and the fact that he didn't have to say it back then, but that it might need to be said now, or in 20 years time, would be an example of how counsel on marriage may need to change from time to time.  
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Honor in Missionaries safe after Cyclone Pam hits   
    THE UNKNOWN PROMISED LAND - All inhabitants of LDS.net/forums are safe after moderator Pam swept through the forum. After surprising forum inhabitants by choosing to hold the annual general meeting of the forum at a small Chinese restaurant in Sandy, Utah, instead of the universally favoured sandy island in the tropics, Pam blew away a discussion on Gun opinions last month and more recently, terminated another discussion on What do you think of WOW. It now appears that moderator Pam has temporarily subsided but is currently gathering strength preparatory to taking on those who plan to disrupt General Conference. Long term resident of the area, Pale Rider, told reporters that moderator Pam is usually a benign force as long as you don’t touch her gummy bears and show proper respect to ginger bread people. 
     
    (ps Pam - swallow before reading - thoughtfully noted at the end, rather than the beginning of the post.) 
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Palerider in What about Unions?   
    Clearly the Union of Unicorns failed. All the unicorns have now died out because their union failed to protect them. I think they were made redundant by the Fraternal Society of Rhinoceroses who have two horns instead of one,  a much tougher skin, and a much more aggressive negotiating strategy. Unlike unicorns, which tend to fly away at the first hint of danger, rhinoceroses will take any challenge head on and just crash their way through. A bit like unions.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from theSQUIDSTER in Need to confess to priesthood authority?   
    I think the better question to ask is How do I tell my wife?It may be that somewhere on this forum there is someone who has been in a similar situation as you are, and has had the experience of telling their spouse something difficult, and they may be able to give you some helpful advice.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Treble.clef in Need to confess to priesthood authority?   
    I think the better question to ask is How do I tell my wife?It may be that somewhere on this forum there is someone who has been in a similar situation as you are, and has had the experience of telling their spouse something difficult, and they may be able to give you some helpful advice.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Blackmarch in Baptism in 13 days and family is freaking out   
    A Christian, and therefore LDS teaching given by Christ in Matthew 7:20 states that “by their fruits ye shall know them.” I agree with the other posters who have suggested that you introduce to your family the many good works of the LDS church. You can read up on them here. http://ldscharities.org/pages/annual-report-2013?lang=eng I might even go so far as to suggest that the good works of the LDS church are more numerous, and more beneficial to more people than a whole range of good societal outcomes that organisations committed to a socially progressive agenda might have helped to bring about. When it comes to arguing about who has done the most good, I think that the LDS church would come out ahead of many other organisations or philosophies. As also indicated by some of the other posters, YOU are the fruit that they will see the most of, and will therefore have the most influence on their opinions. They will be watching you and what they see will shape their views.
     
    And kudos and congratulations to you for having the faith and courage to so completely change your thinking and outlook. That really takes a lot of humility and faith. I respect you for that and for persisting in the face of such strong opposition. I pray that you can continue to do so. 
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Sunday21 in What is Priestcraft?   
    Pay me and I'll tell you
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    askandanswer got a reaction from SpiritDragon in Missionaries safe after Cyclone Pam hits   
    THE UNKNOWN PROMISED LAND - All inhabitants of LDS.net/forums are safe after moderator Pam swept through the forum. After surprising forum inhabitants by choosing to hold the annual general meeting of the forum at a small Chinese restaurant in Sandy, Utah, instead of the universally favoured sandy island in the tropics, Pam blew away a discussion on Gun opinions last month and more recently, terminated another discussion on What do you think of WOW. It now appears that moderator Pam has temporarily subsided but is currently gathering strength preparatory to taking on those who plan to disrupt General Conference. Long term resident of the area, Pale Rider, told reporters that moderator Pam is usually a benign force as long as you don’t touch her gummy bears and show proper respect to ginger bread people. 
     
    (ps Pam - swallow before reading - thoughtfully noted at the end, rather than the beginning of the post.) 
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    askandanswer reacted to Just_A_Guy in Sealing rooms not big enough   
    I don't think there's any prohibition on using live sealing rooms for the dead; I think it's mostly a factor of what rooms are available at any given time.
     
    Going back to your main question, though:  I don't think it's so much a matter of God not wanting extended families at these events, as it is a matter of God (or His earthly administrators) having to choose between a variety of competing interests.  Which widows in the Church should have their tithing go to pay for these renovations?  Which Church employees should be laid off--which Church humanitarian projects should go on hold--which other construction projects should be suspended, so that this particular renovation project can go forward?  Why should large LDS families in the Salt Lake valley get the privilege of having large extended families at their weddings, but large LDS families in "the mission field" be denied that same privilege?  Which names get delayed for ordinance work because the sealing rooms to handle the ordinances weren't available even though there were sealers, officiators, patrons, and recorders ready and willing to do the work? 
     
    And if we do get two sealing rooms in the SL Temple that can hold 100+ people, but they're booked six months out--do I delay the wedding, or am I comfortable going ahead with the sealing in a smaller room with excluded family members knowing they could have been admitted had I just been willing to delay my wedding a couple of months?
     
    Sealings are big family events--I get it.  On the other hand . . . As a liturgical matter, I would submit that baptism and receipt of the endowment are just as significant; and the blessing of a new child very nearly so.  As a practical matter, I would submit that giving birth is far more influential on one's future life.  What do our guest lists look like for baptisms, endowments, child blessings, and childbirths?
     
    Think of it this way:  If this upcoming sealing were taking place one year after the civil ceremony, would you invite the same people to that sealing that you wish you could invite to the sealing that is actually going to take place?  If not--why not?
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    askandanswer got a reaction from pam in Missionaries safe after Cyclone Pam hits   
    THE UNKNOWN PROMISED LAND - All inhabitants of LDS.net/forums are safe after moderator Pam swept through the forum. After surprising forum inhabitants by choosing to hold the annual general meeting of the forum at a small Chinese restaurant in Sandy, Utah, instead of the universally favoured sandy island in the tropics, Pam blew away a discussion on Gun opinions last month and more recently, terminated another discussion on What do you think of WOW. It now appears that moderator Pam has temporarily subsided but is currently gathering strength preparatory to taking on those who plan to disrupt General Conference. Long term resident of the area, Pale Rider, told reporters that moderator Pam is usually a benign force as long as you don’t touch her gummy bears and show proper respect to ginger bread people. 
     
    (ps Pam - swallow before reading - thoughtfully noted at the end, rather than the beginning of the post.) 
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Backroads in Sealing rooms not big enough   
    My comment is a deviation from the main thread, but I've long been concerned about the kind of attitudes expressed in the above thread and I don't want to pass up on this opportunity to respond. Of course I agree with JayGlad when s/he says we should be accepting His will and conforming to His way of doing things, but we should also be asking lots of questions along the way.
     
    I think the kind of questions where we ask why God does what He does, when asked with the proper kind of motive and attitude, are some of the most important kind of questions there are, because if we come to a reliable answer to the "why" questions it moves us closer to a greater understanding of God and His church, and His personality, values, character and attributes, and there are few, perhaps no, types of knowledge that are of greater importance and value. As Joseph Smith taught:
     
    “If any man does not know God, and inquires what kind of a being He is,—if he will search diligently his own heart—if the declaration of Jesus and the apostles be true, he will realize that he has not eternal life; for there can be eternal life on no other principle.
    “My first object is to find out the character of the only wise and true God, and what kind of a being He is. …
    https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-joseph-smith/chapter-2?lang=eng
     
    And this is just a personal gripe, but it often annoys me when I see Isaiah 55: 8-9 being used as a reason to suggest why we cannot, or should not seek to understand the ways of God. God wants His children to understand him. It is true that His ways are higher than our ways, and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. That's WHY we need to find out His ways and thoughts - so that we can lift our own so that they more resemble His. Far more are the verses and teachings in the scriptures that tell us that God is wanting and willing and waiting to pour out the blessings of knowledge on the heads of all those who diligently and faithfully seek it than those verses which seek to dissuade us from doing so. Not only are God and His ways knowable, they must become known, by all of us, in this life, and in the next, because (New Testament | John 17:3) this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. And right now is the best time to start learning them, because (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 130:18 - 19) Whatever principle of intelligence we attain unto in this life, it will rise with us in the resurrection. And if a person gains more knowledge and intelligence in this life through his diligence and obedience than another, he will have so much the advantage in the world to come. In this endeavour, we can rely on, and be guided by, the fact that He is willing, nay even bound, to help us know when we do our part and are motivated by faith and righteous desires. 
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Jane_Doe in Sealing rooms not big enough   
    My comment is a deviation from the main thread, but I've long been concerned about the kind of attitudes expressed in the above thread and I don't want to pass up on this opportunity to respond. Of course I agree with JayGlad when s/he says we should be accepting His will and conforming to His way of doing things, but we should also be asking lots of questions along the way.
     
    I think the kind of questions where we ask why God does what He does, when asked with the proper kind of motive and attitude, are some of the most important kind of questions there are, because if we come to a reliable answer to the "why" questions it moves us closer to a greater understanding of God and His church, and His personality, values, character and attributes, and there are few, perhaps no, types of knowledge that are of greater importance and value. As Joseph Smith taught:
     
    “If any man does not know God, and inquires what kind of a being He is,—if he will search diligently his own heart—if the declaration of Jesus and the apostles be true, he will realize that he has not eternal life; for there can be eternal life on no other principle.
    “My first object is to find out the character of the only wise and true God, and what kind of a being He is. …
    https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-joseph-smith/chapter-2?lang=eng
     
    And this is just a personal gripe, but it often annoys me when I see Isaiah 55: 8-9 being used as a reason to suggest why we cannot, or should not seek to understand the ways of God. God wants His children to understand him. It is true that His ways are higher than our ways, and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. That's WHY we need to find out His ways and thoughts - so that we can lift our own so that they more resemble His. Far more are the verses and teachings in the scriptures that tell us that God is wanting and willing and waiting to pour out the blessings of knowledge on the heads of all those who diligently and faithfully seek it than those verses which seek to dissuade us from doing so. Not only are God and His ways knowable, they must become known, by all of us, in this life, and in the next, because (New Testament | John 17:3) this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. And right now is the best time to start learning them, because (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 130:18 - 19) Whatever principle of intelligence we attain unto in this life, it will rise with us in the resurrection. And if a person gains more knowledge and intelligence in this life through his diligence and obedience than another, he will have so much the advantage in the world to come. In this endeavour, we can rely on, and be guided by, the fact that He is willing, nay even bound, to help us know when we do our part and are motivated by faith and righteous desires. 
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    askandanswer reacted to Capitalist_Oinker in 2 Nephi 10: 11 - 12   
    I was going to make a comment on this awhile back but I had another bout of dementia and entirely forgot. At the risk of wishing I had forgotten permanently, here goes... I believe the only foolproof way to interpret prophecy  is to have the meaning revealed by the same individual who revealed it in the first place. "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." Absent direct revelation from the Holy Ghost, we have little recourse but to make assumptions. However, if we're going to make assumptions it would be wise to make them based upon other scriptures and teachings of the prophets and apostles. For instance, let's consider a prophecy in John 14: 13-14. "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do…if ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." Think of the possibilities here! Money! Fame! Instant healing from all illness and pain! Instant karma for the guy who just cut you off in traffic. All we have to do is ask for something in Jesus' name, and Ta Daaa… He will do it!Of course we "assume" this isn't what Jesus meant, but only because our assumption is based upon other scriptures and the teachings of prophets and apostles. Other than those two things we can also make assumptions based upon what we "know" of history.As the prophet Nephi wrote regarding Isaiah's prophecies: "… in the days that the prophecies of Isaiah shall be fulfilled men shall know of a surety, at the times when they come to pass.”“… for in that day shall they understand them.” (2 Nephi 25 7-8) I propose that in order to understand any particular prophecy, you must first believe that it’s true! Of course those who hang their hats on the "scientific method" would have their lattes come out their noses at such a claim, but then they would reject the notion of "prophecy" anyway. (And yes I know the "scientific method" is just an idiomatic expression, but humor me for now). If we begin with the underlying assumption that a prophecy is true, we can then attempt to place it in context with "known" history.  For example.When the prophet Alma spoke to the people in Gideon he prophesied that the Son of God would be born "at Jerusalem". If we were trying to determine who this "Son of God" was based upon this prophecy, we would reject Christ because He was born in Bethlehem rather than Jerusalem. But if we begin with a firm belief that Christ is the Son of God, and that this prophecy is true, then we can reconcile the words "at Jerusalem" by assuming that Alma was including the city of Bethlehem in his qualifying phrase "which is the LAND of our forefathers". So let's consider Jacob's prophecy and declare that it's true.Therefore if it's true, what land most closely complies with the stipulations that it would be "a land of liberty unto the Gentiles", that there would be "no kings upon the land", and that the land would be "fortified against all other nations." I think the answer to that question is obvious. We may have to make a few assumptions (as I did in my previous post), but absent direct revelation from the Holy Ghost that's all we can do unless we refuse to accept the prophecy as being true in the first place. Just for a closing thought (I know, it’s way past due) regarding something you wrote:“I've always thought that Nephi was somewhere around Central America when he made this prophecy, so when he talks about "this land" I thought that's the area he would have been referring to.” There are at least a dozen references to the "promised land" in the BOM. “…they cross the large waters into the promised land”“…Seed of my brethren who were in the promised land”“…they shall be a blessed people upon the promised land”“…we have obtained a land of promise”“…when they arrived in the promised land”“…I could have joyed with him in the promised land”Etc.There is simply no question that Lehi, Nephi, Jacob, and others considered the land they occupied to be the "promised land". In the Dec. 2012 Ensign there is a copy of a devotional address delivered on January 24, 2012, at Brigham Young University–Idaho by L. Tom Perry of the Quorum of the Twelve.In that address he said this: "The United States is the promised land foretold in the Book of Mormon" I believe we are on shaky ground if we assume that claim to be just "his opinion".
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    askandanswer reacted to Traveler in A couple of questions you've probably heard a million times...   
    Let me give you a little more as an assignment - for fun.  Take Abraham chapter 3 and read that in conjunction with Doctrine & Covenants section 88.  Now think in terms that Abraham was given to an ancient culture whose mathematics and science was based in realization of ratios.  That all things exist as ratios of other things.  (could cover this in much more detail but just understand that the ancient culture demanded that real things have ratios in order to exist in harmony with each other).
     
    Now compare that with D&C section 88.  Which covers basically the same religious concepts but this time with Newtonian based culture and traditions.  Things like the laws of thermal dynamics and Newton's laws.  Note that one is based in ratios and the other based in laws.  Then realize that both were written by the same person with no more than a 3rd grade education and that the subject matter is in essence the same but representing two very different periods of time and two very cultures.
     
    What you are seeing is empirical evidence that Joseph Smith was very unexplainable and unique.
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    askandanswer reacted to Capitalist_Oinker in Church's Stance on Disfellowship and Excommunciation   
    You are correct.
     
    anatess---you wrote: "Sure. But that still falls within the bounds of my answer that... Use of Pornography can get you sent to a disciplinary council."
     
    Personal addiction and use of pornography will not result in a disciplinary council. However, it may very well result in informal Church discipline such as restrictions on partaking the Sacrament, holding a Church position, exercising the Priesthood, etc.
     
    You also wrote: Omega also said something about drinking coffee. Not finding anything wrong with drinking coffee... you can't get baptized with that. But for those baptized and then developed the thinking that there's nothing wrong with coffee, then drinks it... that could lead to the bishop having a talk. Then you start encouraging others to have coffee with you... I can see that going to disciplinary council if the person persists.
     
    WOW violations  will not result in a disciplinary council either. I suppose if someone opposed the restrictions and actively encouraged other members to violate them it could result in a disciplinary council, but the case would then fall under the definition of apostasy.
     
    askandanswer wrote: "But then we are still left with the seemingly odd situation where breaching some temple covenants can result in an excommunication, and breaching other covenants seemingly has not impact on the breaker's church standing."
     
    Regarding disciplinary councils I think you're overly fixated on temple covenants (particularly the sealing covenants), which are in no way the be-all and end-all when it comes to Church discipline. 
     
    Remember, the three-fold purpose of Church discipline is to:
    Save the Souls of Transgressors
    Protect the Innocent
    Safeguard the Integrity of the Church.
     
    In regards to two people deciding they no longer wish to be married (absent sins that could get one or both excommunicated) it's difficult to argue that excommunication or other punishment would satisfy any of the three. 
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Backroads in Sealing rooms not big enough   
    It seems to me that over the last 15 years, the dominant trends in temple building have been to build a greater number of smallish sealing rooms in more places, and countries rather than building larger sealing rooms. More sealing rooms in more places means that more people and groups can access sealing rooms. Fewer, larger sealing rooms does not contribute to a hastening of the work as much as more, smaller sealing rooms. Seems like a wise use of resources to me.  
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Jane_Doe in What's General Conference without a stand from some group   
    palerider on 6 Mar
    Lol!!! I will have to watch this go down.... 
    The protesters are probably planning on General Conference being held in early April, but I know that Pam is working on having it held in May, so despite palerider's lack of faith I'm sure the protest will fail, thanks to Pam.  :)
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    askandanswer reacted to Claire in Help understanding this belief   
    https://www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng
     
    The basic position in the link seems to be that, after Brigham Young restricted the ordination of African Americans to the priesthood, a number of theories "why" entered circulation. A fairly common one was that black skin was the mark of Cain, which was already a popular hypothesis in American culture at the time. While some people in relatively prominent positions appear to have advocated that particular theory, the LDS Church does not appear to have taken an official stance on the subject at the time.
     
    In the present day, the theory has been condemned.