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    MormonGator got a reaction from mirkwood in Fasting - some questions   
    That's actually a great substitute for fasting. Never thought of that. 
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    MormonGator got a reaction from brotherofJared in The Glory of Men is the Woman   
    I guess we run in different crowds. 
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    MormonGator reacted to mirkwood in Fasting - some questions   
    If I don't eat I get severe sinus headaches that last 18-24 hours.  Fasting is out for me.  To participate in fasting I remove something from my diet that is noticeable.  For me that is any sort of flavored drink.  I notice if I don't drink something with flavor, which reminds me that I am fasting.  Perhaps something akin would work for you as well.
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    MormonGator reacted to Just_A_Guy in April 2020 "a hinge point in the history of the Church"   
    I’m seeing Facebook adverts soliciting participation in a “multicultural choir” for the upcoming conference.
    I suspect that the conference will be something that’s a little novel culturally/procedurally, but nothing earthshaking institutionally or theologically.  Remember, from the perspective of the Church leadership (as given by pretty much every “welcome to conference” sermon by every prophet since President Hinckley at least), every General Conference is “historic”.
    I love President Nelson and try to live according to the precepts he teaches, but I’m not setting high expectations for April 2020.
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    MormonGator reacted to Jamie123 in Education works best when...   
    Having thought about it a bit more, I think the wisdom of this poster may be deeper still. In education, there is often a big difference between the lesson intended, or the lesson perceived by the shallow-minded, and the actual take-home lesson:
    Intended lesson: If you do as you are told by older, wiser and better people, and follow all the rules they have laid down, then you will not come to any harm. It's quite easy isn't it? Follow the rules and you'll be happy. Disobey the rules and...that's when the problems will start. Actual Take-Home Lesson: "Older, wiser and better" people disagree with each other profoundly, and some of them are even at odds with themselves, and the rules they set down contradict each other. Thus whatever you do you'll get something wrong. And knowing this this is a valuable education. Kids were once told "speak when you're spoken to" and "don't answer back" - precepts so cliched that no one notices that they contradict each other. "Don't answer back" puzzled the heck out of me as a kid. What was I supposed to do when a teacher spoke to me? Ignore him? What it really meant (though it was too much to expect any adult to explain this) was something like "When I tell you to do something, do it and don't argue". But what if the instruction made no sense? Like for example if you were told to report to Mr. Bloggs' office, and you happened to know that Mr. Bloggs was home sick. If you pointed this out to the teacher, was that still "answering back"? And if you went to Mr. Bloggs' office and sat there all day waiting for someone you knew full well wasn't coming, they'd accuse you of "not using your common sense" - but to use your common sense would entail "answering back" - so which precept should you obey? In short, the rules don't always help and you have to think for yourself and take a risk that you might be wrong. Learning this is part of growing up, so being taught that "good little boys" and "good little girls" can live forever in peace by following an all-encompassing set of rules, by people blinkered enough to think that that is genuinely the case, and learning for yourself that this is actually a bunch of baloney, may not necessarily be a bad thing. [End of rant]
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    MormonGator reacted to Traveler in Book of Mormon – Videos and Movies   
    Something to add - It is my understanding that the family of Lehi followed in essence the ancient trade route of the frankincense through the Arabian peninsula.   This is a most difficult trail of many dangers - which was one reason that frankincense was so valuable and expensive.  Both the Greeks and Romans mad efforts to control that trade route and failed.  I have not found any record of the Egyptians trying to control that area - the point here is that none of the great civilizations were able to conquer that region.  
    I have speculated that Lehi may have had some connections and were able to supplement their journey on occasions with language skills.  The Book of Mormon says that they traveled through the "More Fertile" regions.  These regions were populated in ancient times but were ruled by city states and tribal leaders.  I have wondered that part of the reason it took them so long to travel this area was because they made stops and connections.
    Some reasons that I consider that Lehi may have taken servants is because some claim that with the numbers given in the two families - that the populations of the resultant nations could not have grown so quickly.  Bring servants along would have solved that problem.  We also see that as the Nephite nation grew - direct decedents of Nephi were not as common as one would have thought.
     
    The Traveler
     
     
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    MormonGator got a reaction from Scott in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    My thoughts completely. My heart breaks for the girl, but she's going about this the wrong way.    
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    MormonGator got a reaction from Anddenex in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    In order for a Catholic confession to be valid, you have to tell everything. You can't withhold and mortal sins that you are aware of. IE-I can't tell the priest about my two mistresses and deliberately leave out the three other women I'm currently sleeping with. 

    Well, this is exactly what the Catholic church did. Instead of just coming clean, they played games, lived in denial, and tried to cover things up. in other words, they did the one thing that they drilled into our heads that you can't do. 

    The damage they did to the church, especially in New England, is unfathomable. 
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    MormonGator got a reaction from Anddenex in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    Yup. 

    The priest scandal caused huge damage to the church, but the cover up, arguably, caused much more. 
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    MormonGator got a reaction from unixknight in 3 Ways Dungeons and Dragons Brings You Closer to God (Yes, For Real)   
    A lot when we lose to Georgia. 
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    MormonGator got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    That, and they lied, stuck their heads in the sand, and then tried everything possible to downplay the situation. Claim "media bias", ignore calls for reform, blame "the gays". It showed their massive arrogance and frankly in some cases, outright cruelty.  If the leaders had integrity they would have accepted blame from the start and tried to make things right immediately. 

    It's basically a plan for what not to do. Other churches (the intelligent ones) should take note. 
     
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    MormonGator got a reaction from Scott in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    My thoughts completely. My heart breaks for the girl, but she's going about this the wrong way.    
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    MormonGator got a reaction from Scott in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    My thoughts completely. My heart breaks for the girl, but she's going about this the wrong way.    
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    MormonGator reacted to Vort in Book of Mormon – Videos and Movies   
    I appreciate your thoughts, Traveler. Mine are much the same, though I see Nephi as being much younger, perhaps as young as 10-12 when he witnesses his father first coming home after his vision. I'm supposing he was twelve or thirteen when they left Jerusalem, and no older than maybe 15 when the ugliness with Laban took place. In every video depiction I've seen, I think Nephi has been portrayed as much older than he really was. He was not much more than a child, and on the cusp of manhood, when he and his brothers dealt with Laban. His precocious size coupled with his remarkable spiritual sensitivity were what allowed him to survive the encounter.
    Clearly, Sariah could not have been older than her mid to late 30s—40 as an outside maximum—when they left Jerusalem, because she had at least two more children in the desert. If Laman was her oldest child and if he were born when Sariah was, let's say, only 18, that would make him probably in his later teens when they left, surely no older than his very early 20s at absolute maximum.
    I have no problem believing Lehi may have been somewhat older, though the common depiction of him being an old man (and a doddering fool) by the time he fled Jerusalem is clearly untenable. He might have been as young as 40, and surely no older than mid-50s. The latter figure would put him probably somewhere around 70 when he died, which I find very believable. We aren't told of Sariah's death, but it seems pretty safe to assume she outlived Lehi and fled with Nephi's group when they left their first "land of promise".
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    MormonGator got a reaction from Anddenex in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    In order for a Catholic confession to be valid, you have to tell everything. You can't withhold and mortal sins that you are aware of. IE-I can't tell the priest about my two mistresses and deliberately leave out the three other women I'm currently sleeping with. 

    Well, this is exactly what the Catholic church did. Instead of just coming clean, they played games, lived in denial, and tried to cover things up. in other words, they did the one thing that they drilled into our heads that you can't do. 

    The damage they did to the church, especially in New England, is unfathomable. 
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    MormonGator got a reaction from Anddenex in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    Yup. 

    The priest scandal caused huge damage to the church, but the cover up, arguably, caused much more. 
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    MormonGator got a reaction from prisonchaplain in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    High church Anglicans and Lutherans also have private confession.  
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    MormonGator got a reaction from Anddenex in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    Don't we always honor the law? Not arguing, honest question.
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    MormonGator reacted to estradling75 in "It's time Christians started including Latter-day Saints"   
    Sadly social media reinforces this behavior.
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    MormonGator got a reaction from Xavier in The Glory of Men is the Woman   
    That's surprising, I always assumed you were a leader in the radical feminist movement. Robin Morgan and.... @Vort

    And you are, of course, free to spread your ideology and tell the world. Just know that the world doesn't have to listen to you anymore than you have to listen to the world. 
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    MormonGator got a reaction from prisonchaplain in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    High church Anglicans and Lutherans also have private confession.  
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    MormonGator got a reaction from Still_Small_Voice in Female v. Male College Ratios   
    Agree. Education will only take you so far. You need experience. 
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    MormonGator reacted to Jane_Doe in "It's time Christians started including Latter-day Saints"   
    Ah, give other persons a little more credit MG! 
    True, many people only want to hang out with folks that will echo their own thoughts.  But many others aren't like that.
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    MormonGator reacted to prisonchaplain in "It's time Christians started including Latter-day Saints"   
    Most 'mainstream' Christians do indeed have a good impression of LDS. You don't drink, smoke, gamble or chew...not even coffee or tea! You don't cuss, tend to present as sharp, intelligent and hardworking. Further, the alleged ulterior motive is one all Christians share. We DO want to see souls converted--certainly to Jesus. Joining my specific church would be icing on the cake.
    Doctrines and beliefs are another matter. 'Annoying' just doesn't describe it (except for the coffee/tea ban--that is annoying ). It used to be (in Joseph Smith's day, for example) that believers in predestination (Reformed churches, Presbyterians, Calvinists, etc.) questioned the salvation of us free-will folk (Methodists, Wesleyan, etc.). After all, we did not seem to properly understand God's sovereignty and power. Adventists were also suspect as late as the 1960s, as many argued that they did not teach salvation by faith (insisting on observance of Old Testament laws related to the Sabbath). Boundary-marking/keeping has decreased rapidly, but LDS teachings about the nature of God/humanity and salvation are all very difficult for Protestants and Catholics.
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    MormonGator reacted to Traveler in Repairing the Breach   
    We are told that the heavens wepted - I would assume that included G-d.  I am concerned with the notion that no one (especially G-d) cared???  Or was happy to be rid of them????
    I am inclined to agree with the general authority (do not remember who) that said, "G-d does not love us because we are good - G-d loves us because he is good."
     
    The Traveler