NeedleinA
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28 minutes ago, Grunt said:
I've never heard of a Transient Bishop. We do help members with rent and other things when needed.
In addition to being a Bishop, some Bishops have one other assignment stacked on top of that, kind of like a (Bishop +1).
Transient Bishop is one. Agent Bishop is another.
Church handbook 22.5.1.3 👍QuoteBased on need, a stake president may appoint one bishop to handle all requests arising in the stake from people who are transient or homeless. In some areas there is a concentration of stakes with large numbers of people who are transient or homeless. In those situations, the Area Presidency may call a service missionary to handle their requests for assistance. This person should have served as a bishop.
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3 minutes ago, LDSGator said:
As you should. It’s not like you are doing anything blasphemous or something.
I feel I did the thread a disservice by using the example of Tithing inside a thread about 'efficiency at Church'.
I am already very aware of the widows mite, Timmy's tithing, sacred funds, etc. etc.I should have gone with an easier administration example and dodged such a sensitive subject 😉
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46 minutes ago, Traveler said:
I am convinced that the one size fits all (easiest, least time consuming and most efficient -- one size fits all mentality) does not foster relationships or individual recognition.
I agree with you when it comes to the actual 'ministering' portion of the church's mission.
However, when it comes to the repetitive items of 'administering' I'll probably stand my ground that efficiency, is actually a form of ministering to those who would otherwise be stuck in endless hours of administration. -
57 minutes ago, Carborendum said:
I guess it depends on who is gathering the statistics.
The linchpin in it all.
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I literally would trust the advice of my dog's Veterinarian over anything Fauci has to say any longer about Covid or all the super-duper scary variants.
His reputation as a serious unbiased non-political health expert swirled down the toilet long ago.I heard a comment, that I'm sure I'll butcher...
"If you have to watch the news in order to see panic, destruction, pandemic and death BUT when you look out your own front door, talk with people you know and see and nothing the news says is reflected in real life... something is up with your news source".Fauci has turned into the boy who cries wolf and then says he never did.
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15 minutes ago, Ironhold said:
Masks are optional if you've been vaccinated,
Unvaccinated member of the Copperas Cove branch 😉
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9 minutes ago, CV75 said:
The way this is done in relation to 34.4.1.3 would be the unit leader's call, and might be discussed in council
This is exactly where we find ourselves at right now.
We have unit leaders who are asking about the possibilities available to them, so in an effort to help Bishops we are discussing this in various councils/committees.QuoteLeaders encourage members to pay tithing as they receive their income. However, members who wish to pay annually may do so.
The missing link in the way... is lack of 'immediate' aspect.
"immediatelyas they receive their income"??
Definitely not trying to pick a fight with anyone, but am looking for any concrete specifications/policy if possible. While some Bishops might like the, "Hey its up to you" approach, others would like to know some limitations and guidance. -
11 hours ago, Fether said:
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Curious @Carborendum @Vort @Just_A_Guy, anyone in your ward not coming back to Church because things going back to normal? Meaning holdouts that are still worried about Coivd?
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Curious to see where your ward is as far as Covid, rather the return to normal after Covid.
Our Stake back to normal:
No masks required.
No social distancing
No masks or gloves for those passing sacrament trays
No cleaning of facilities, covid related
Yes, ward activities
Yes, singing hymns againOur Stake not back to normal:
No drinking fountains
Food activities served by a select few
Yes, gloves for Priest breaking breadHow about your stake?
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23 hours ago, Fether said:
One thing that makes this difficult is that she doesn’t have a ward yet since she has no home. No Bishop to reach out to just yet
Each stake has (should have) a Transient Bishop, designed to assist members in your sister's situation.
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2 hours ago, Traveler said:
The primary focus is and has always been each and every son and daughter of G-d rather than the easiest, quickest and most efficient way.
Agreed, God's children come first.
If God's children can be served and equally served in an efficient manner, why wouldn't we?
If not, it appears that the best way to serve God's children is only through inefficiency which seems to make no sense at all.Why don't wards only use one deacon to pass the sacrament each week? Think of the individual sacrifice that young man would be able to offer.
Why are missionaries told to reduce door to door tracking? Surely tracking 60hrs a week has to bring forth 'fruit'.
Why use a ward bulletin to convey information? Doesn't that deprive individuals from from sharing things one on one with each other?
Etc.(some silly examples, I know)
I just find it equal silly to associate the hardest, most time consuming and least efficient ways as the only successfully means to serve God and his children.
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4 hours ago, CV75 said:
Those who are learning to pay their tithe and/or cannot use the online systems need to have the Lord receive their offerings immediately.
Is this represented in the Church's Handbook, the need to 'receive offerings immediately' part?
If this is the case, should each member go to the Bishop's house, not wait until a Sunday and turn over their money immediately? -
1 hour ago, LDSGator said:
@NeedleinA & @NeuroTypical-don’t you think we will eventually move to a society where physical money is obsolete as well? Not in our lifetimes, but future generations for sure.
My problem, often, is that I focus on the church in the United States and forget many other places around the world. We could reach it in the USA but decades behind for our friends to the south of us.
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15 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:
True. Some folks hand over envelopes on youth night.
13 hours ago, scottyg said:...but youth night is a pet peeve of mine.
Youth night is a great example. People who mail it or drop it off directly at the Bishops house. People who turn it in after the bank run has already taken place. Etc.
10 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:individual bishopric members/clerks can find tremendous devotional meaning in sacrificing the extra time it takes to make the deposit each and every Sunday.
Less scenario = once a month
Customary = every Sunday
More scenario = deposit it every time it is receivedI know Bishops who will call in their Clerk mid-week to make a deposit as though the tithing envelope contains radioactive material OR they might lose it like @NeuroTypical shared, and they need to get rid of it asap.
So... which one is right? Which is less efficient or more efficient OR who cares because sacrifice brings forth blessings?
Does the Stake offer guidance to their Bishops OR do they let them do their own thing under their individual keys.
Some Bishops don't know the correct answer OR what is even a possibility.
FYI: In our Stake 80% of our unit leaders have been serving for less than 1 year, most less than 6 months. -
16 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:
So, not only would you task the executive secretary with reminding the bishop and his two counselors which Sunday they can and can't accept tithing, you're also asking an entire ward to remember it as well? And the family who just had the FHE on tithing and spent 3 hours getting all 5 kids to fill out their tithing slips for the first time ever, and they go to hand it in to the bishop only to hear "not today, I only take tithing next week". This from someone claiming to be interested in efficiency?
Yes Sir, I would.
If it makes it even simpler, do it only once a month... on the first Sunday of the month, like Fast Sunday.
Will it take a little reminding in the beginning, sure. After a while the ward should remember it just like they do, Fast Sunday.I've tried to find, and perhaps I haven't looked hard enough, a place in the handbook that states that tithing must/should be accepted every Sunday, like most folks are accustomed to. So far I can't find it.
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23 minutes ago, mikbone said:
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When people speak and act as if they are in the service of the Lord when in fact they are just acting in their personal best interest or use the same excuse for connivence sake.
I believe this falls under the commandment found in Exodus 20:7
Not saying this happened in this instance… Just saying.
I hear you.
In this particular case, after doing several financial audits in various wards the issue above keep manifesting itself.
My suggestions were/are for the benefit of the those 'other' brothers who could use "precious family time". -
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27 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:
The church is wise when they beat it into us that tithing should be gathered, counted, and deposited on the same day whenever possible.
Since we are talking shop for a moment...
I understand the sentiment of not losing someone's sacred funds, I do.
Church Handbook says:QuoteWhere a 24-hour bank depository is available, the bishopric member, accompanied by the other priesthood holder, deposits the funds in the bank on the same day the funds are opened and verified.
Steps
1. Gathering
2. Opening/Verifying
3. DepositingDeposits are required if the funds are opened and verified.
Bishops receive donations time to time that they must hang on to until a later date and members are none the wiser. -
15 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:
The church is wise when they beat it into us that tithing should be gathered, counted, and deposited on the same day whenever possible.
With the above ^^^ thought in mind, I offered the alternative suggestion in council.
1 hour ago, NeedleinA said:I suggested that unit leaders either offer to collect tithing 2 times a month
Simply don't collect that often. This way no one can lose those sacred funds.
Bishop: "Brothers and sisters, we will only be collecting donations 1st and 3rd Sundays since so many of you have converted to online now." -
Is the Lord interested in efficiency? If he is, then his Church should be too... right?
I recently had two interesting interactions with members in councils. After I presented what I thought was something efficient and for the benefit of members involved, to my surprise some members of the council stated, "The Lord is not interested in efficiency".I'll share one example.
Example: In many of the units in our Stake, tithing has shifted almost exclusively to online donations with the exception of children and one elderly hold out. This means each Sunday at least two priesthood holders are stuck at church doing 'tithing' AND then driving to the nearest bank drop off. Many Sunday's those drop offs consist of <$10 in change, the kind you know is change in the envelope before you even open it. I suggested that unit leaders either offer to collect tithing 2 times a month OR that the Bishop securely holds donations and they count it only twice a month.
Why? To allow brethren the opportunity to not stay late, drive 40 minutes round trip and call for rides. These brothers will have already been at church of several hours in other meetings beside block meetings.
To my surprise I was met with, "The Lord is not interested in efficiency".
Have you ever heard this response before? Have you ever given it, if so, why?
One time was weird enough, but it just came up again in another council.- Backroads, Carborendum and Anddenex
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Had to do a double take...oh, now I get it!
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Lame Jokes, the Sequel
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After years of watching this thread, this is my lame contribution.
This is how racism will finally meet it's end. Thanks David Guetta!
If this video doesn't make you smile... well heck you are a racist OR European.