NeedleinA

At least once a year or so it seems.

Some are better at it than others. I wouldn't say it happens with great frequency, but now and then.

Question for Byron
If Peter was off teaching in one country... And Paul another are they preaching the same gospel or a different gospel?
 
If you say that Peter and Paul preached the same gospel then you acknowledge that the person speaking doesn't matter and that the location they preached doesn't matter.  Just that the person preaching must be called of God to do so.  And that is the answer to your question about the Book of Mormon.  Location does not matter, who the person preaching is does not matter.  Only that the person preaching is called of God.
 
That is the testimony of the LDS church.  That the Book of Mormon contained the words/preachig of men called of God to preach the Gospel.  The location they preached in is not relevant to it being the gospel, they being different people is not relevant to it being the gospel.  No more the Peter and Paul preaching in different area is relevant to the Bible.

What? I have claimed they teach the same Gospel. Sort of like how Paul, John, Peter, James, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Abraham, Moses, Adam, Enoch, and all of the prophets teach the same Gospel of Christ despite their geological location or chronological place in time. These prophets aren't all mirrors of each other saying the exact same things.

None of this has to be complicated.  First, it is possible, but unlikely that Paul is referring to the four gospels in the NT canon, which would make the BOM "another gospel."  However, given that the NT was not yet canonized, it is more likely that Paul was referring to different gospel teaching--teaching opposed to that of the Apostles.  Paul's letters offer a few examples of such--pre-Gnostic teachings, Judaizers, etc.  So, in order to accuse the BoM of being counter to the gospel taught by the apostles one would have to address specific teachings.  That would be a difficult discussion to have, without violating TOS.  It might be wiser to choose an LDS doctrine, rooted in the BoM, that raises questions...and simply ask those questions, to seek clarification. 

This is false. JAG neither agreed with your gloss of the Galatians verse under inspection nor agreed that your gloss of the verse referred to the Book of Mormon.
 
If you want us to take you seriously, you must speak in good faith and avoid such wild mischaracterizations as you present above. We might assume (for a while) that you're merely misguided or excitable, but after a while we will lose confidence that you are sincere. Please give us reason to consider you a friend and brother and not a troll.

Hello Everyone! Decided to no longer lurk behind the scenes and actually participate instead. Great discussions so far and I've really enjoyed all the varied comments, deep thinkers and humor I have read so far. So a little about me:
 
1. Never have and never will win any kind of grammer or spellin award.
2. Baptized at age 8 around 5:00pm. Barfed on a merry-go-round shortly afterwards around 6:30.
3. Fortunate enough to have lived all around the states and abroad.
4. A closeted (until now) electronic/dubstep listening High Priest.
5. Proud Family man
6. Defender of the Faith
7. Got my Mormon.org profile picture rejected because it wasn't what they were looking for (I was holding a pet snake).
8. Married way out of my league. (score!)
9. Smart enough to realize everything isn't always black and white, so I love reading everyone's thoughts on here.
10. Hoping to live long enough to go on a senior couple's missionary assignment. (still a ways to go).
 
Again, thanks for all the great threads, doctrine digging, and fun so far!!
 

This isn't necessary for your salvation...
 
....oh....whoops!
 

Glad to have ya :)

Hello Everyone! Decided to no longer lurk behind the scenes and actually participate instead. Great discussions so far and I've really enjoyed all the varied comments, deep thinkers and humor I have read so far. So a little about me:
 
1. Never have and never will win any kind of grammer or spellin award.
2. Baptized at age 8 around 5:00pm. Barfed on a merry-go-round shortly afterwards around 6:30.
3. Fortunate enough to have lived all around the states and abroad.
4. A closeted (until now) electronic/dubstep listening High Priest.
5. Proud Family man
6. Defender of the Faith
7. Got my Mormon.org profile picture rejected because it wasn't what they were looking for (I was holding a pet snake).
8. Married way out of my league. (score!)
9. Smart enough to realize everything isn't always black and white, so I love reading everyone's thoughts on here.
10. Hoping to live long enough to go on a senior couple's missionary assignment. (still a ways to go).
 
Again, thanks for all the great threads, doctrine digging, and fun so far!!
 

"Sincerity" isn't one of the twelve steps, but honesty is. IMHO, once we've got that step down "sincerity" should fall into place--because he wants the recovery and is willing to pay the price.

This debate has raged a long time.  To my knowledge, Utah is the only state that has done this. 
 
As a side note, my gun and I attended church today.  I can't speak for the gun, but I was edified.

Welcome to the site !!!!!!!! I also think it's safe to say that the majority of males marry out of their league. :)

Salutations Salutations Salutations! :-)

Hello Everyone! Decided to no longer lurk behind the scenes and actually participate instead. Great discussions so far and I've really enjoyed all the varied comments, deep thinkers and humor I have read so far. So a little about me:
 
1. Never have and never will win any kind of grammer or spellin award.
2. Baptized at age 8 around 5:00pm. Barfed on a merry-go-round shortly afterwards around 6:30.
3. Fortunate enough to have lived all around the states and abroad.
4. A closeted (until now) electronic/dubstep listening High Priest.
5. Proud Family man
6. Defender of the Faith
7. Got my Mormon.org profile picture rejected because it wasn't what they were looking for (I was holding a pet snake).
8. Married way out of my league. (score!)
9. Smart enough to realize everything isn't always black and white, so I love reading everyone's thoughts on here.
10. Hoping to live long enough to go on a senior couple's missionary assignment. (still a ways to go).
 
Again, thanks for all the great threads, doctrine digging, and fun so far!!
 

Hello Everyone! Decided to no longer lurk behind the scenes and actually participate instead. Great discussions so far and I've really enjoyed all the varied comments, deep thinkers and humor I have read so far. So a little about me:
 
1. Never have and never will win any kind of grammer or spellin award.
2. Baptized at age 8 around 5:00pm. Barfed on a merry-go-round shortly afterwards around 6:30.
3. Fortunate enough to have lived all around the states and abroad.
4. A closeted (until now) electronic/dubstep listening High Priest.
5. Proud Family man
6. Defender of the Faith
7. Got my Mormon.org profile picture rejected because it wasn't what they were looking for (I was holding a pet snake).
8. Married way out of my league. (score!)
9. Smart enough to realize everything isn't always black and white, so I love reading everyone's thoughts on here.
10. Hoping to live long enough to go on a senior couple's missionary assignment. (still a ways to go).
 
Again, thanks for all the great threads, doctrine digging, and fun so far!!
 

Hello Everyone! Decided to no longer lurk behind the scenes and actually participate instead. Great discussions so far and I've really enjoyed all the varied comments, deep thinkers and humor I have read so far. So a little about me:
 
1. Never have and never will win any kind of grammer or spellin award.
2. Baptized at age 8 around 5:00pm. Barfed on a merry-go-round shortly afterwards around 6:30.
3. Fortunate enough to have lived all around the states and abroad.
4. A closeted (until now) electronic/dubstep listening High Priest.
5. Proud Family man
6. Defender of the Faith
7. Got my Mormon.org profile picture rejected because it wasn't what they were looking for (I was holding a pet snake).
8. Married way out of my league. (score!)
9. Smart enough to realize everything isn't always black and white, so I love reading everyone's thoughts on here.
10. Hoping to live long enough to go on a senior couple's missionary assignment. (still a ways to go).
 
Again, thanks for all the great threads, doctrine digging, and fun so far!!
 

Lol!  Welcome, welcome!

Sure. My point is simply that taking a -- the snake is gonna bite you, so let it DIE!!! -- attitude isn't necessarily always the right thinking. It isn't so black and white. Conversely, I agree, taking a -- always care for the snake even though you know they're a snake and they're going to bite you -- attitude is not always the right thinking.

quite likely. I can see how a situation may arise where such sort of thing might be necessary- and where as that might be necessary for one location it might be totally unnecessary for another. I also appreciate how they also kept to the letter of it by keeping the arms outside of the building.

Hi Needleina,
 
You might want to check out this recent thread.  I'll restate what I said there.
 
I'm halfway active in various LDS concealed-carry circles.  The policy in the handbook is often passionately discussed.  Here's a smattering of opinions on it: * It says "carrying is inappropriate", not sinful, not prohibited, so I guess I'll just be inappropriate.* I spoke to my bishop about it, and he's grateful to hear I'm willing to carry at church and fully supportive.* I spoke to my bishop about it, and he confirmed I should not be carrying.* As long as I raise my arm to the square and sustain my leaders, my gun won't be with me at church. Basically, LDS conceal-carriers' opinions are all over the map on whether it's appropriate to carry at church or not. Now, a local mega-church/homeschool co-op in my area had a mass killing a few years back.  They adopted a position I support and would like to see in our church:- Strongly worded zero-tolerance policy regarding firearms.  Immediate consequences (sanctions, disciplinary action, suspension of students/termination of workers.  Immediate police involvement if a firearm is present.)- Exceptions are on-duty police, licensed church safety persons, and others authorized and permitted under relevant state and county laws (here in Colorado, it's C.C.R.S. 18-12-203). The policy helps those who think a written policy is the best response feel safe, because the policy is so strongly worded.  It also helps people actually be safe, by allowing authorized folks to carry. 

I'm fine with that policy.
As for a thought there is this; God is life and order, a gun is a tool designed for killing and destruction.
Another possibility is that our current society is too focused on such things and they have become a golden calf of sorts.
edit to add: totally agreeing with JAG as well.

I think it's inappropriate.  One aspect of responsible gun ownership, is abiding by the wishes of private property owners who make it crystal clear that they do not want firearms on their property.

Nostradamus foretold jet fighters too, because he talked about how "the half pig man will find it hard to speak", and fighter pilots have difficulty speaking during high-g maneuvers, and wear those cool helmet things that look like this:
 

It sounds like you are doing great and actually having very, very normal feelings for many people learning about the church. Don't get discouraged, there is a leaning curve for just about anything new. Missionaries rotate fairly frequently, so it is okay to re-express your concerns about praying to the newer missionaries again.
 
I agree with Vort: "The missionaries specialize in getting people to move outside their comfort zones.  :)"
 
Don't worry about the "mess" part. I think you were referring to the "Sacrament". You don't have to take the bread and water, in fact there are plenty of people who don't for various reasons, so don't worry. 
Sounds like Leah would be a great resource too!
Again, welcome and you are doing great!