LeSellers

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    LeSellers reacted to james12 in I can think of only 2 reasons why men would want polygamy   
    There are other reasons, posterity being one. 
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    LeSellers reacted to prisonchaplain in ABA dismisses complaint against BYU Law School   
    What's especially irrigating is that government-backed student loans are generally issued by private banks.  The government is like a co-signer, in case the student defaults. Nevertheless, that's the only tie it takes. 
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    LeSellers reacted to Just_A_Guy in ABA dismisses complaint against BYU Law School   
    They do, however, accept payment via student Pell grants and federally subsidized loans; which can theoretically be tied to similar conditions.
    IIRC, that was the elephant in the room with the Bob Jones University case.  The school could probably do without the tax exemption--but they couldn't do without all those students whose tuition was ultimately being paid, or lent, by Uncle Sam.
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    LeSellers reacted to Edspringer in How come no one else translated the Bible?   
    Just adding to the awesome reply from @LeSellers, I would also suggest the reading of this article:
    http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Joseph_Smith_Translation_of_the_Bible_(JST)
    In my view, as Joseph opened the seventh and last dispensation of the gospel, he had special gifts and talents unique to his person and role at the time of the restoration. Remember that in the 19th Century there wasn’t so much technology available to help in translation. Nowadays we have a lot of resources that can help us in translation processes. So, the other 13 Church presidents had different roles in their presidency time and certainly translating the Bible was not part of it. We acknowledge these men to be prophets, seers and revelators, meaning that if God so desired, they could have accomplished that task, but somehow they didn’t.
    Our living prophet, Thomas S. Monson, has the same prerogatives as his former prophet companions. We don’t know what the Lord has been reveling to him and what sort of revelations they might be. The only thing we can do is speculate.
    It’s my personal opinion that there are lots of things that these 15 prophets have been taught by the Lord that hasn’t been allowed to be told to the general membership of the Church. Why? Simply because we still need to use the resouces already available to us and because the Lord has said so.
     
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    LeSellers got a reaction from Blackmarch in How come no one else translated the Bible?   
    No one knows exactly.
    It is my opinion that the reason is that the JST has served its primary purpose. (See 5 below.)
    Your question is similar to one antis ask frequently: Why don't you (LDSs) use the JST?
    There are, to my mind, six reasons for this:
    1) We don't own the copyright. That belongs to the CoC. We worked for decades to get permission to use a tiny fraction in foot- and end-notes.
    2) We don't need it because it's available with the full text from Herald House (the CoC publisher) and the most important changes in our own edition of the AV as foot- and end-notes.
    3) Joseph never finished it (which is your question in a different guise). Some claim he did based on a statement that he had. But this statement is open for interpretation, and, more importantly, refuted by Joseph's own acts. He was still working on it a few weeks before his martyrdom. When the RLDS Publication Committee took the "manuscripts" in hand, they found it "bone tiring work" to prepare an engrossed copy for the printer to work from. The translation process changed about the end of Matthew and Genesis. The first had Joseph read from a large, family-style Bible while his scribe wrote word-for-word the text as Joseph read it from the book itself or from revelation. But that took a long time, and God had him change the process so that Joseph read, but the scribe only wrote the changes, while each made marks on the document before him: Joseph in the Bible, the scribe on the transcript. (These symbols were underlinings, dots in pairs or triples or singles, dashes, and so on and matched.) However, as the Publication Committee discovered, it was not clear what these changes meant. As noted above, the Prophet was still working on it right up until his death. This he did by pinning scraps of paper to the manuscript. Again, the meaning wasn't always clear
    4) We don't need it for doctrine. We have the Doctrine and Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price, as well as the Book of Mormon to reveal doctrine that has been lost in the Bible.
    5) The purpose for the JST was to train Joseph in "prophethoodness". With rare exception, prophets of earlier times had grown up in a culture that knew what a prophet did. They may not have accepted them, but they understood the job description. As Joseph went through the Bible, less hurriedly than he'd done in the Book of Mormon, he could reflect on how Ezra or Moses or Isaiah approached his ministry.
    6) God hasn't commanded us to use the JST. We are already "weird enough" with the Book of Mormon, etc., that if we also had a different Bible, our work of spreading the Gospel would be even more difficult, and those who might listen now, might not in such a case.
    We have a promise that the records of the Jews and of Israel will be available to us at some point. That time is not yet. Patience is a godly virtue.
    Lehi
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    LeSellers reacted to Jojo Bags in Hillary openly panders to Mormons   
    In his book, "The Great and Abominable Church of the Devil," Elder H. Verlan Andersen said that your political values reflect your moral values.  Think about it.
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    LeSellers got a reaction from Jojo Bags in Hillary openly panders to Mormons   
    Pandering is what she does best. Well, that and having people killed if she doesn't like them. Oh, and attacking the women who dare accuse her husband of rape. 
    I nearly forgot, losing eMails.
    Lehi
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    LeSellers reacted to Just_A_Guy in Do we come close to worshipping Joseph Smith?   
    It seems to me that most folks who have passed a tenth-grade English literature class, should be able to reconcile the notion of an extraordinarily great individual who still suffers from a number of human weaknesses.  The tension comes from the fact that certain classes of people are bound and determined to suggest that Smith's flaws were something other than what they actually were.
    Joseph Smith was boastful but not selfish; demanding but not predatory; superstitious but not lazy; enigmatic but not fraudulent; open-minded but not an occultist; overly trusting but not ignorant; easily-offended but not vengeful; financially incompetent but not profligate; occasionally earthy but not bawdy or lecherous.  Smith was also tremendously loyal, sympathetic, generous, resourceful, curious, driven, managed to leave his followers believing themselves closer to God than they had been before meeting him and even worked miracles in their eyes, was absolutely committed to the progress of what he believed to be God's work even in the face of enormous personal sacrifice, and ultimately--when Smith had made it across the river into Iowa and was en route to the Rockies, but was begged to return by messengers fearing that his escape would trigger retributive raids against Mormons in Nauvoo--he came back, and surrendered in Carthage knowing that there were better-than-even odds that he was going to his death.  
    Smith was not a common person, and IMHO the Church hasn't been wrong to point that out.
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    LeSellers reacted to Anddenex in Do we come close to worshipping Joseph Smith?   
    Haven’t we been taught through official channels to see Joseph Smith as a hero and place him on a very high pedestal?
    He was a hero. He was the prophet of the restoration who did as God commanded. Why would that be a problem to label him a hero? It isn't. What pedestal are you referring to? We are to place him on the pedestal which God gave him and which he received willingly. Death can't conquer the hero again, true. Why would that be bothersome. Any Mormon should recognize why death cannot conquer him again, he's dead, and through Christ he lives. Not sure the problem.
    We are taught that no one can have a testimony of Christ without having a testimony of Joseph Smith.
    True. How can you have a testimony of the Master without recognizing his servants. The same would be said for Peter, James, and John, and any servant which held this office. This includes President Thomas S. Monson and all who held it before him. Even the Lord specified, If they reject you don't worry for they rejected me first. The Oath and Covenant of the priesthood specifies this. Receive servants we receive Jesus. Receive Jesus we receive the Father. Reject servants we reject Jesus who called them, and ultimately we reject the Father. How is that a problem?
    He was the most exalted of people.
    The stretch interpretation of John Taylor's quote isn't helpful, "I thought, why must God’s nobility, the salt of the earth, the most exalted of the human family, and the most perfect types of all excellence, fall victims to the cruel, fiendish hate of incarnate devils?" Notice the statement refers to anyone who walked the path God would have them walk and have paid the price for doing so with their life. This includes all the pioneers who lost their lives during the trek to Utah. This includes Isaiah. This includes all the prophets and apostles who Christ called during his life, and those called after his death in the New Testament as they were killed. "God's nobility," for doing that which God called them to do. This includes innocent children who have fallen victim, life ended, by incarnate devils as well. Not a statement of worship in the least, unless a person wants to stretch what was actually stated.
    When speaking of “a lamb slain before the foundation of the world,” only Jesus Christ should be mentioned.
    False. The notion of a lamb before the slaughter represents an innocent being slain by wicked men. This can be used for anyone in a position similar to Joseph Smith and Jesus Christ. You imply a personal interpretation and then stamp or draw a line that no one should pass by. Ok, this is your personal choice. 
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    LeSellers reacted to Just_A_Guy in Do we come close to worshipping Joseph Smith?   
    I don't agree 100% with Zil's assertion--LDS meetinghouses *do* use art in an understated sort of way, and frankly your average LDS meetinghouse would be considered a very nice building by most low-church Protestant standards were it not for the fact that said LDS meetinghouse is virtually identical to dozens--maybe hundreds or thousands--of other such LDS meetinghouses.
    That said, temple worship assumes a very different form and entails a different mindset and a different interaction with one's environment.  The endowment is by design an interactive, theatrical experience:  a divine drama in which the worshipper plays a key role.  This turns the temple into a grand stage.  When I go there, I'm not just contemplating Heaven and eternity.  I am in Heaven and eternity.  It's a (for Mormons) unique form of divine communion where props and even costuming don't distract from the experience--they enhance it.
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    LeSellers reacted to prisonchaplain in Special Snowflakes...   
    Absolutely not.  The SJWs would tell this reactionary fundamentalist to quit being such a snow flake.  (I was going to insert a smileycon, but I doubt they'd smile as they said it, nor that they would catch the irony and hypocrisy of their insistence).
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    LeSellers reacted to unixknight in Special Snowflakes...   
    "Hey unixknight, why did you start homeschooling your kid this year?"
    Because I live in Maryland, one of the leftest lefty states in the Union.  That this nonsense hit SC before MD blows my mind but I'm not waiting around for the Thought Police to get at my daughter before I can respond.
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    LeSellers reacted to Blackmarch in A Baltimore Facepalm   
    or let them destroy themselves.
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    LeSellers reacted to unixknight in A Baltimore Facepalm   
    @mirkwood thanks for the recommendation.  I'll keep an eye out for it.
    You know, I really hate to say this, but with the way this woman was  telling her kids that cops were only out to kill black people and that they should fight the police, her being removed from their lives may have been good for them on some level.  I feel horrible saying it, but if this means they can be raised by someone who will teach them right, then it's hard to be too broken up over it.
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    LeSellers reacted to mirkwood in A Baltimore Facepalm   
    I've been saying that all along.  You should read The Truth Behind the Black Lives Matter Movement and the War on Police.
    https://www.amazon.com/Truth-Behind-Matter-Movement-Police/dp/1944783520/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1471455031&sr=1-1&keywords=black+lives+matter+and+the+war+on+police
     
    It is kind of expensive though.  I'd loan you my buddies copy if you were local.
     
     
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    LeSellers got a reaction from NeuroTypical in What's on your bucket list?   
    One wonders if these are ever "completed"; even parenting — grandchildren are still a significant "job", and then the "greats".
    Lehi
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    LeSellers reacted to anatess2 in Flooding and Homeless   
    It's on the news.  It's just not talked about ad nauseum... like Katrina was.  Of course, at that time, the news cycles were hell bent on making people believe Katrina was Bush's fault.  This time, Obama doesn't think the flooding is a big deal so the news people don't think it's a big deal either.  Now, if there was any way they could've made it Trump's fault, they'll have panels of discussion over this on CNN.
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    LeSellers got a reaction from zil in Should I wait?   
    You may have known the answer, but you'd not be the first one to find out he knew only after asking the question of others. It's often a good way to learn, and almost never hypocritical.
    Lehi
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    LeSellers got a reaction from yjacket in A Baltimore Facepalm   
    Not really trying to derail the topic here, but this illustrates the principle that all laws  (and, indeed, all government) are based on (the threat of) lethal force. The case involves traffic misdemeanors, but even a late library fine could result in one's death. All you need do is resist long enough and the state will send armed men with fancy hats and shiny badges and they will kill you.
    In this case, it seems, as others have noted elsewhere, this woman was actively committing suicide by cop. She used the fact above to her "advantage".
    The Constitution, according to John Adams, was written for a moral and religious people. It is sufficient, he said, to the governance of no other. 'Tseems to me that we have reached a point where the majority of the people are no longer able to govern themselves and need a strong man to control them.
    Is this the reason that the Nephites, the Israelites, the Jews, and other nations were destroyed: they couldn't govern themselves, so the Lord brought in people who would do it for them?
    Lehi
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    LeSellers reacted to askandanswer in What's on your bucket list?   
    Pam, I'm happy to help you with your goals. I'll gladly push you out of the plane :)
    Zil, I can make you a better offer Forget the gator, he doesn't care for you enough. And who wants an old swamp gator anyway?
    I achieved this one when I was 5,,,,,,,,,,,,,, or maybe 4. It took about two minutes. :)
    SilentOne we need to get together. One of the things on my list is to eat a perfect pie crust. 
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    LeSellers got a reaction from Edspringer in Who do we worship and how?   
    Any Gods Who do not "have Priesthood and Godly responsibility over us" do not get our worship. The kind of Gods They are have no godly connection to us.
    Lehi
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    LeSellers reacted to Awakened in I’m not sure there has ever been an issue that has/will separate the wheat from the tares like homosexuality   
    True indeed. But every one of us has something we seriously struggle with. whether it be in-born disability, addictive personalities, bad parenting, poverty, or even war. Homosexuality is just another personal struggle, albeit a tough one.
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    LeSellers reacted to bytebear in Who do we worship and how?   
    Jesus Christ is the only name under heaven in which we can be saved.  Being saved means returning to the Father.  So those two individuals are unique (one being the end, the other being the means to the end).  Even the Holy Ghost doesn't have such a role. And certainly not prophets of old. 
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    LeSellers got a reaction from SilentOne in Who do we worship and how?   
    Any Gods Who do not "have Priesthood and Godly responsibility over us" do not get our worship. The kind of Gods They are have no godly connection to us.
    Lehi
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    LeSellers reacted to Jojo Bags in I’m not sure there has ever been an issue that has/will separate the wheat from the tares like homosexuality   
    The attacks against faithful LDS who stand up against homosexuality are a smaller part of the socialist agenda.  In his book, "The Naked Communist," Cleon Skousen talked about how one of the goals of socialists/communists was to get Americans to accept this perversion as normal and natural.  The socialist agenda it the complete takeover of American and they have almost completed it.