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    Edspringer got a reaction from Carborendum in Lehi making sacrifices   
    It makes sense when the Melkizedek priesthood is present. Besides, all the examples you gave show a kind of pattern: If you are God's chosen, you will have His authority and power to perform His works. Thanx a bunch.
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    Edspringer reacted to zil2 in Lehi making sacrifices   
    I've heard some speculate that Zoram may have been a Levite, and thus able to facilitate living the law of Moses.  But of course, we have no scriptural support for that.
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    Edspringer reacted to mikbone in Lehi making sacrifices   
    Excellent question.  Thanks, I learned something new.
    S. Kent Brown, “What Were Those Sacrifices Offered by Lehi?” in From Jerusalem to Zarahemla: Literary and Historical Studies of the Book of Mormon (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 1998), 1–8.
    https://rsc.byu.edu/jerusalem-zarahemla/what-were-those-sacrifices-offered-lehi#:~:text=When Lehi “made an offering,safely completed a long journey.
     
    Also, there are huge similarities between Lehi and Moses.  
    Moses and the burning bush - Lehi and the pilar of fire
    Exodus from Egypt - Exodus from Jerusalem
    Travel thru the wilderness
    Destination of the promised land.
     
    Perhaps the Lord was trying to impress upon Lehi and his family that Lehi was a similitude of Moses.
    Laman and Lemuel both believed in Moses.  But they couldn't believe that their own father (or brother) could be a prophet.  
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    Edspringer reacted to laronius in Lehi making sacrifices   
    I wasn't trying to equate the ordinances, just the fact that some of the details were omitted.
    Here is something I found that is interesting.
    Sacrifices and Offerings: Foreshadowings of Christ
    https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1980/09/sacrifices-and-offerings-foreshadowings-of-christ?lang=eng
    Richard Draper breaks down animal sacrifice into two categories: burnt offerings, which is what we generally read about in the temple, and then slain offerings. This is what he says about slain offerings:
    "The slain offering. The slain offering was a token of the covenant fellowship between various patriarchs and Jehovah. The offerer kept a share of the sacrifice. Only a portion of the offering was burned; the remainder was cooked and eaten by members of the offerer’s household. This represented living fellowship or communion between God and man. This explains why Jacob offered a slain sacrifice before taking his family into Egypt (see Gen. 46:1). He was asking the Lord to preserve the covenant among Israel’s children while they sojourned in this foreign land. He entered Egypt only after receiving the assurance that it would be so. (See Gen. 46:2–4; Keil and Delitzsch, Commentary, 1:268–69.)"
    Sounds a lot like Lehi.
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    Edspringer reacted to laronius in Lehi making sacrifices   
    For the Nephites to practice the law of Moses fully they would have had to of had the authority to do so. I think, just like Alma going from a priest of King Noah to one authorized to baptize and establish a church, there are many details that were left out of the account. It's interesting though that while it's made clear in the Book of Mormon that they practiced the law of Moses there is relatively very little said about it. Rather the focus is on what it all foreshadowed, namely the coming of Christ.
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    Edspringer reacted to Carborendum in Lehi making sacrifices   
    As I understand it... (this means that I am not an expert in this area, but I've read a few things).
    Samuel was also an Ephraimite.  He was chosen as God's prophet of that era.  He even wore priestly robes (as evidenced by Saul tearing them).  And the sacrifices were to be offered by Samuel, not Saul. David was of the tribe of Judah and he offered sacrifices in the temple.  He was considered a prophet-king. So, it appears that prophets (at least) were allowed to offer sacrifices just like the Levites. Likewise, Lehi was clearly called as a prophet.  So, that means that he held the priesthood authority to do so. The common understanding is (and I don't know what the scriptural basis is, but it makes sense):
    While the Melchizedek priesthood was not common, it was still present.  And those holding it could also offer sacrifice.  And it was that authority that Lehi brought to his sons and the Nephite nation.
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    Edspringer reacted to CelesteLandon in Nature of bodies of translated beings   
    Hey Edspringer!
    I know this is a post from last year but I do have some answers to your questions so I felt like I should share :) 
     
    A) Are translates brings mortal or amoral?
    Answer: They are Mortal until they are “twinkled” which is the instantaneous death to resurrection talked about in D&C, then they are made Immortal. See below
     "He that liveth when the Lord shall come, and hath kept the faith, blessed is he; nevertheless, it is appointed to him to die at the age of man. Wherefore, children shall grow up until they become old; old men shall die; but they shall not sleep in the dust, but they shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye" (D&C 63:50-51). (Bruce R. McConkie) “Thus, this change from mortality to immortality, though almost instantaneous, is both a death and a resurrection. Thus, translated beings do not suffer death as we normally define it, meaning the separation of body and spirit; nor do they receive a resurrection as we ordinarily describe it, meaning that the body rises from the dust and the spirit enters again into its fleshly home. But they do pass through death and are changed from mortality to immortality, in the eternal sense, and they thus both die and are resurrected in the eternal sense.”
     
    B) Do they have blood running through their veins? 
    Answer: No, see explanation below. 
     “Bruce R. McConkie
    Some mortals have been translated. In this state they are not subject to sorrow or to disease or to death. No longer does blood (the life-giving element of our present mortality) flow in their veins. Procreation ceases. If they then had children, their offspring would be denied a mortal probation, which all worthy spirits must receive in due course. They have power to move and live in both a mortal and an unseen sphere. All translated beings undergo another change in their bodies when they gain full immortality. This change is the equivalent of a resurrection. All mortals, after death, are also resurrected. In the resurrected state they are immortal and eternal in nature, and those among them who are privileged to live in the family unit have spirit children. Millennial man will live in a state akin to translation. His body will be changed so that it is no longer subject to disease or death as we know it, although he will be changed in the twinkling of an eye to full immortality when he is a hundred years of age. He will, however, have children, and mortal life of a millennial kind will continue. (The Millennial Messiah, p. 644) TLDP:699-70
     
    C) Being a terrestrial being what does that mean in regards to their physical state of being? 
    Answer: Their bodies are transformed in such a way that they no longer suffer physical pain or disease. They can be both in this physical realm or the spiritual realm like unto the Savior when he disappears form the mob. We already know that blood no longer flows through their veins, instead it’s spiritual fluid. These questions can be answered here: http://www.angelfire.com/super2/halcomb4/translatedbeings.htm along with many more :) with quotes from prophets and apostles along with scripture references. 
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    Edspringer reacted to laronius in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    Now that sounds like a plausible scenario. I suspect that the amazing experience that is to be the next General Conference will have far more to do with how we prepare than what they actually do at conference. No different than before except we are being told in advance where to focus our preparation efforts. So in other words those with oil in their vessels will have an amazing experience and those without oil will see just another conference.
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    Edspringer reacted to askandanswer in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    I was in Palmyra 4 weeks ago. Two senior missionaries, one at the Joseph Smith Farm Visitor's Centre, and another at the Peter Whitmer farm Visitor's Centre mentioned that a large number of General Authorities have been passing through the area over the last several months recording talks and presentations. 
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    Edspringer reacted to Highlander in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    Maybe the rest of the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible. The book of Joseph of Egypt
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    Edspringer reacted to JohnsonJones in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    Two thoughts.
    First, there will be more changes coming.  One of them will also be addressed at Conference much like some of the other changes have been after the announcement of them shortly prior to Conference.  Some may see it as a major change, others not so major.
    There will also be talks about the First Vision and Joseph Smith.
     
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    Second Thought -
    At least part of the sealed portion of the plates are very similar to the Revelation of John.  There may be a lot more exposition on certain things and events, but when seen together it should be seen that they basically cover the same things.  Much like the four gospels of the New Testament and much of 3rd Nephi with the Lord's ministry to the Nephites are very similar as well.
    That may not be ALL of what is in the Sealed portion, but that is most likely part of the Sealed Portion.  For those interested in studying similar things as to what would be in the Sealed Portion I would say study the Book of Mormon alongside that of the Book of Revelation.
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    Edspringer reacted to Emmanuel Goldstein in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    Having a session at Adam Ondi Ahman every year could get the saints ready for the eventual day. Perhaps they will eventually build a small conference center there like the one at BYU Idaho.
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    Edspringer reacted to Traveler in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    I would make two suggestions:
    1. Pretend that you have been called to give a 15 minute talk on a subject of your choice.  Start preparing now to do exactly what you  would do to get ready for your conference talk.  Write out our talk - make as many drafts as you think necessary.  During the sessions of conference you may find it interesting how many talks presented during the sessions touch on your material and quote the same scriptures.
    2. The Thursday before conference - fast and pray with and for our general authorities.  They will be gathering for a preparatory fast and testimony meeting that Thursday and you can spiritually join with them.
     
    The Traveler
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    Edspringer reacted to Queolby in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    I don't think we should expect the sealed portion to be revealed. I don't think the sealed portion will come forth until after Christ comes. I see this happening because Moroni said that the Jaredite plates were published after Christ came. If 3rd Nephi represents the second coming perhaps what will happen with the Jaredite narrative will be the same--when Christ comes again. It makes sense. It also makes sense that after the publication to the Nephites, the Nephites became so wicked that they destroyed themselves. I think this happened because they had more light and knowledge than ever before. 
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    Edspringer reacted to Emmanuel Goldstein in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    Each session from different historic locations.
    Saturday AM session: Palmyra.
    Saturday PM Session: Peter Whitmer Farm.
    Priesthood session: Kirtland Temple
    Sunday AM Session: Far West Missouri
    Sunday PM Session: Nauvoo
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    Edspringer reacted to Traveler in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    When I was a youth - it was difficult to attend at the tabernacle - which was the only way to watch conference.  Often we would listen to October Saturday conference sessions via portable radio somewhere in the mountains while deer hunting.  We would hurry home to attend the priesthood session at the local tabernacle - there were times we would be late and come still dressed in our hunting attire as many others that were late and also so dressed.
    BYU was the first to offer a broadcast (in black and white) of the priesthood session when I was a student.  Then when raising my own family we would have to go to a stake center (while I was living outside of Utah) to enjoy live conference sessions.  When we moved to Washington state I installed a side band into my stereo system and we were able to listen to conference at home.  (I could also get BYU sports on the side band).
    Thanks for the reminder of how things have changed - for the better.
     
    The Traveler
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    Edspringer reacted to Just_A_Guy in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    Here’s a thought:
    Responsibility for planning the conference will be delegated to the Relief Society or one of the other auxiliaries—err, organizations.
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    Edspringer reacted to CV75 in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    I think the priesthood was restored, or at least the first elders were ordained, in the Whitmer home.
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    Edspringer reacted to CV75 in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    The 1980 GC had President Kimball speaking from the Whitmer Farmhouse, where the Church was restored in the original Whitmer home.
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    Edspringer reacted to estradling75 in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    Priesthood session from Adam-ondi_Ahman?
     
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    Edspringer reacted to Vort in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    "Eportugues" doesn't sound as funny.
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    Edspringer reacted to Vort in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    I was going to laugh, but that would actually be very cool.
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    Edspringer reacted to Vort in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    Someone espeaks Espanish.
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    Edspringer reacted to CV75 in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    Conference or some of the speakers could be broadcast from Palmyra, NY and other restoration sites (???)
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    Edspringer reacted to Vort in What to expect from the 2020 April general conference   
    Oliver Cowdery's quote is added as a footnote because JS-H is authored by Joseph Smith, and Cowdery's account is being used as a juxtaposition to provide a second account (and witness). If Joseph Smith's other accounts were ever included in our scriptural canon, I expect they'd be added as, possibly, second, third, and fourth chapters in JS-H, or in some other way that makes them primary text and not a footnote. But I doubt that will ever happen. The other accounts, while fascinating and worthwhile (and freely available), are not really up to grammatical snuff. Cleaning them up for inclusion would be very problematic, leaving open the question of why we don't let the prophet speak for himself and why we feel the need to dress up what he really wrote. In the final analysis, I think there's plenty available for sincere seekers of truth to make a determination about the Restoration without adding the Prophet's non-canonical accounts as scripture.