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  1. Maybe it's me, but the choir numbers sounded peppier and brisker, which I like.
  2. I think this has reference to those who were living after the manner of happiness i Nephi's day, and perhaps in more explicit fulfillment of this prophesy, those who lived between 3 Nephi 26: 17 - 4 Nephi 1:19. Of course it can also be fulfilled at other times, and there were promises to be fulfilled to gather the lost children of Jospeh in the last days.
  3. I would say they are two applications of the same principle, depending on the objective at hand. Hence the need for living prophets. These are both allegorical, so they can be applied to multiple "events."
  4. They are the same, since mercy itself is conditioned on the Lord's atonement. Things like the resurrection are without conditions, and things like forgiveness, are conditional.
  5. How is the Church beginning to think so?
  6. The D&C explains what "eternal" means in this context.
  7. The temple presentation is a drama, providing broad strokes to train our hearts, minds, thoughts and feelings for covenant-keeping and not to portrays factual events in every detail. Of course as time goes on, Satan asserts his rebellion and acts badly on just about any interaction imaginable.
  8. The plan of happiness is also called the plan of salvation. Since sin does not yield salvation, no matter the degree of sin or salvation, it cannot yield happiness. Since everyone will face their Maker, however briefly, to receive their restoration, they can do nothing but suffer the pains of the differential between their willingness and His grace. Recovery from this kind of trauma, where a modicum, or degree, of happiness/salvation is not the same as a restoration to greater happiness/salvation, I think Alma is correct.
  9. I would agree with this; there are many other aspects of our mental states and personality that likewise are not always connected to our level of faith. But faith will help us endure until the perfect day, not matter what troubles us along the way.
  10. https://philanthropies.churchofjesuschrist.org/temple#:~:text=Therefore%2C the Church has established,the House of the Lord. "As the population of the Church continues to expand in the world, there are more and more dedicated saints who live in remote and impoverished locales and lack the means to attend a temple even once in their lifetimes. Therefore, the Church has established the Temple Patron Assistance Fund to provide financial assistance to those who otherwise could not afford the travel expenses associated with attending a temple and participating in the sacred blessings available only in the House of the Lord." The paragraph before this one says, "As the population of Church members continues to grow worldwide, there is an great desire among the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles to bring temple worship and its associated blessing closer to the people. The Temple Building Fund was created to provide those who have desires to help with this vital program with the opportunity of doing so."
  11. Yes; the context of 2 Samuel 7 is that He walked with the people as they sojourned in the wilderness, something He did not intend to last forever: "Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. In all the places wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, Why build ye not me an house of cedar? ...Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the Lord telleth thee that he will make thee an house." The chapter goes on the explain that the Lord's "house" is a physical temple and also a kingdom and a people.
  12. I like the symbolism you described about permanence, physical/temporal and spiritual/eternal. I think those in "the mission field" have their own set of probations that warrant access to the temple without building one themselves, just as each successive generation in Utah sacrifices less for the building of physical temples, but faces other troubles equal in testing to that of their forbearers before they can rightly qualify to enter those temples. One of the blessings of building Zion is that the faithful can have access to resources of all kinds so they can do more than they might have otherwise done alone, and certainly more than their ancestors.
  13. One thought that I have is that we believe in a literal gathering, and permanent temples comport with that idea. 2 Samuel 7 teaches that while the Lord was happy to walk in the portable tabernacle (vs. 6 - 9), it was now time to plant and build a people and a house to His name (vs. 10 - 13, 16, 18 - 19).
  14. The fact that that there are many definitions to the word covenant, and you wish to discuss only one very specific definition does not cheapen any particular idea. Please share what you mean by covenant and how that brings up issues with premortal covenants, since the first estate is without a body of element and the second estate is the spirit connected with a body of element, which is ushered in with mortality -- a point of error in the OP. Please define what you understand or mean by "covenant" for the purposes of discussing your concern with false doctrine.
  15. I don't know this person, but he provides some quotes on the topic: https://askgramps.org/covenants-made-premortal-life/