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Thanks guys. One final question, and it seems better to ask it here rather than creating a separate thread: the missionary handbook says that mishies have to shave every day. The thing is my facial hair's so dark that, even though I shave every day, I still have a lot of stubble left. Is this going to get me in trouble with the Mission President or is this rule not really that important?
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4 minutes ago, pam said:
My understanding is that they can ask for money from Salt Lake City from the general missionary fund.
Really? Did not know that. Well, you're right - I'm probably worrying too much about this stuff. I should just relax, save as much money as I can and trust that - if the Lord wants me to serve a mission - things will work out fine
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9 minutes ago, Carborendum said:
Wait, I thought you were in the UK. Where do you live? How much can a person make in a month for basic unskilled work where you live?
I was basing a lot of the time thing on the notion that you would be able to make approximately the same amount of money as my son (who's trying to go out by next July). He just barely got a job a couple months ago. He should have enough by Christmas to pay for his mission. So, the remaining time is just so he can save for college and other living expenses after his mission.
Wouldn't it be wild if you two went to the same mission?
I live in Ireland (so next to the UK). Not sure if I should say that on these forums (especially if someone I know uses these forums, it wouldn't take too long to figure out who I am, seeing as how I've mentioned my age, when I got baptised and when I'm serving a mission) but yeah, I'm Irish. For basic unskilled work we can make around €800 a month. However, I'm currently on jobseekers (looking for work) so I get €180 a week (so €720 a month). That said, I have a job interview on Thursday so, if that goes well, I'd be making the €800 per month. After my mission, I'm aiming to go to college at a BYU so I'll be able to make better money then.
Hopefully your son manages to go out by July. We get our callings before we leave so I'll still have access to the internet. When I get my calling, I'll tell you and we can check if me and your son are serving in the same mission XD
7 minutes ago, pam said:Many times members are asked to assist with paying the costs of a missionary out in the field that doesn't have the money. I've done this myself. I've paid monthly towards the fund for a missionary to be out there.
How willing are members to do that though? And I come from a small ward (there's only like 50 active members). Not sure how much money that would raise. There's €2000 in the church's mission funds at the moment, but that's covering four missionaries (me and three others) who are all planning to go out around the same time. That said, I definitely won't let money be a deterrent from serving my mission. I'd still like to be prepared and know that everything's taken care off, hence why I'm asking
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51 minutes ago, Sunday21 said:
The person never knows who pays.
Really? But what if person X decides to pay some money for person Y's mission? How is person Y going to be able to thank them?
12 minutes ago, Carborendum said:You are allowed to do anything you want to with the funds on your mission. It is meant for your support during your mission. I had some money left over at the end of my mission and I gave it to the mission home for any other missionary that might find themselves in financial straits during the course of their mission.
There is no rule that says you can't just send it to the ward missionary fund or the general missionary fund when you get home. And, the fact is that there is no rule that says you can't use that small amount remaining for your living expenses when you get home. Let's face it, it's not a lot of money. If you're returning home to a country where that's a lot of money, I'd say you need it. But that's between you and the Lord.
There's nothing wrong with being the oldest guy in the mission. One of the best missionaries I knew in my mission was 25 years old. And I'm certain he had a lot of spiritual growth during the mission and had a tremendous life afterwards.
You will need to make your own decision. But base that decision on things that really matter -- things that the Lord wants you to consider. I personally don't think it's such a bad thing to wait another 6 months to a year to make up the remaining funds. But it's your choice.
Yeah, I know there's nothing wrong with being the oldest guy in the mission. However, basing the decision on things that really matter, I think that I'm ready to serve a mission. I go teaching with the missionaries every single day, and have been doing so since the start of this summer. I've learnt a lot from them, and I think I'm ready for whatever challenges the mission will throw at me. Yes, I could wait another 6 months but then it's a redundant waiting game. I've prayed about it a lot, and I honestly think that God wants me to serve a mission as soon as I can (in June, just after the one-year anniversary of my baptism. We can't serve before being in the church for a year)
Sunday21, took your advice and decided to make a GoFundMe. Not sure how successful it will be or not but worth a try
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Thanks guys. So, for clarification: missionaries ARE allowed to save part of the weekly income they get during their mission, and use that to pay back some funds, yeah? I mean, I realise that the church/stake might help but as Caborendum pointed out, I'll think of any money that I get from other people as a debt. The bishop's already told me that he might lend a hand, in which case I'm going to help him in several years when his children are old enough to go on a mission.
4 hours ago, Carborendum said:And why don't you just keep saving before you go on your mission? What is the time crunch about? Just because you CAN go at 18, doesn't mean you MUST go at 18. And financial reasons are certainly a reason to wait for a bit.
I'm 22 years old - I can't afford to wait any longer or I'll be the oldest guy in the mission field! (I got baptised at the start of this year, hence why I didn't go on a mission before now)
9 minutes ago, Sunday21 said:The church can be a bit inventive when paying for missionaries. I was approached to help pay for a missionary in my ward by my bishop. We were to have 4 families paying for one missionary, me representing one family. Funny story. The missionary was apparently not fully convinced and had not been told about our fund raising so the "prospective missionary" contacted me about entrance to a business school with which I have contacts. I had already made 3 payments towards his mission. I lost it. (I am not proud of this but I am Scottish..) and told him. What! You are not going to business school this year buddy. You are going on a mission! Bear in mind that I had already made 3 payments...okay. Not cool. Annnnyway..long story short, he went on a mission.but in the end was paid for by an uncle from Venezula. My payments were forwarded to Salt Lake.
But..what about crowd funding?
https://www.gofundme.com/lp/welcome-1?pc=3q_ba_Bing-Search-Alpha-Non-Brand-USA
Just a thought! Free advertising. Thinking outside the box!
Ouch. If I had been you in that situation and a missionary that I had already made payments for said "nope, I'm going off to college instead of serving a mission", I'd also probably lose it. It seems a little rude for him to ask you to help with payments only to turn around like that. Glad he went on his mission in the end though.
Hmmm, crowd funding sounds like a good idea but (a) I have no idea how I'd get people to actually find the page and (b) I'm not sure if the church would be okay with that. I'm guessing that, to have a successful crowd funding campaign, you need to show your face so the people paying know who you are - if the church doesn't like crowdfunding for missions, it might mean that I won't get called..
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12 hours ago, Carborendum said:
I would be surprised if your non-member parents would agree to pay for any of it even if you had some iron clad agreement to keep you out there. The fact that they're even considering it is saying a lot about their acceptance of your faith.
They're not considering it, or at least I haven't asked them yet. It's just my hopeful wishing that maybe they will consider it at some stage. However, I did have a long, friendly talk with my mum about the mission yesterday. She seems to know that it would be a good experience for me and that I'd finally be able to do some good in the world!
NO one is supposed to pay the "full price" at the beginning of the mission. The reason is exactly what your parents have said. And it isn't just about quitting. What if you get into an accident or have some sickness in the middle and you have to come home? The money already donated cannot be given back.
So, they always advise us to pay month-to-month. That way, if anything happens, you've only lost a months worth of money at the most.
Hmmm, probably not but is it at all possible to pay for some of it AFTER the two years are finished? The problem is that, while I'm away on my mission, I'll have no source of income back home so I won't be able to pay for it.
Or, if I save some of the "weekly allowance" that people get when they're on their mission, can I use that to pay for it? It's basically recycling the same money that came from the church missionary funds anyways, but that would be my money to spend so it would be still me paying for it.
You need to pay for all your belongings (clothing, luggage, scriptures, etc) prior to leaving (obviously) because you're going to be taking it with you to the MTC. If you're in a bike area, you usually buy that while on your mission. Many missionaries can take hand-me-downs from a missionary leaving the field near the same time. It varies from mission to mission.
That's not a problem. I already have a suit, shirts, ties and shoes and some P-Day clothes. If I ever need to buy new ones while on my mission, I can use the weekly allowance to do that. And I already have a pocket-set of the scriptures.
How to finance a mission? It is only $400 / mo -- I'm not sure what the Brits are required to pay. I'm sure it is some round number close to that in pound equivalent. You can earn that much money in less than a year if you apply yourself and save every penny
It's around 8,500 in my currency. At most, on my current income, I'll only be able to save 6,100. Thankfully that only leaves around 2,000 to be paid for, which I'm sure will be covered by either (a) the ward's missionary funds (b) my parents if they're willing and/or (c) my weekly income on my mission, if I'm allowed to pay using that.
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Hey y'all. Some of you may remember me from the start of the year, when I first started investigating the church and had a lot of questions and struggles, which have since been answered. The church has completely helped change my life for the better, I'm no longer struggling with the stuff I used struggle with and I'm grateful for it everyday.
I talked with my bishop this week and, if all goes well, I'm due to start my mission in summer of next year. I have done a lot of preparation for it: helping teach with the missionaries every day (I've been called as one of the two ward missionaries), learning my scripture and adhering to the commandments. However, the one problem: money. I make 180 a week. The cost of a mission is around 8500. If I save every bit of money I have between now and then, I'll have at most 6000. The bishop says that the church pays for some of it, but currently there's only 2000 in the church funds and there are two other missionaries hoping to serve around the same time as me, and one other person who said he might be serving but seems to be having a change-of-heart atm. They've been in the church a lot longer than I have, and their families are members of the church, so it's likely that the funds will be used to help finance them instead, if there isn't enough to cover all of us.
One thing:
My family are okay with me going on a mission. However, they don't want to pay anything towards it because my mum's afraid that, in a few months, i'll change my mind and decide not to go. However, are we able to serve without paying the full price? As in, as long as we have it all paid before the end of our mission, is that okay? If I do go on my mission, then she'll know that I haven't changed my mind and I might be able to ask her to pay for the remainder of it over the two years, for my birthday and Christmas presents of those years, and I'll repay her when I get back.
Basically, does anyone have any advice on how to save for a mission and the best way of financing it, and the best way of asking my family to help? I hate asking anyone to help but, if I want to serve a mission as soon as this summer, I might need her input! Also, I've got some job interviews lined up, obviously if I get a job that will help with the costs!
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Hmm, I understand where you're coming from. However, we had the Law of Chastity lesson with our 17 year old investigator before (she'd also be considered a "minor female") so maybe different rules depending on what mission you're in?
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2 hours ago, Sunday21 said:
French pamphlets:lds.org, select a language, Francais,
if you live near a temple, they have a list of workers and language skills.
Please tell me you are female or the missionaries are sisters, if not you need a woman and not just for the law of chastity lesson. If you don't have a female, please call relief society president.
For further French help, laptop and google translate.
Bon chance mon ami!
Thanks for the pamphlets. Unfortunately, we live nowhere near a temple and the only French-speaking local church member went home about a month ago.
Neither me nor the missionaries are female. Why? If it's about "The Rule of Three", I thought that - as long as there are three males there teaching one female - it's ok? Most of the time when missionaries ask me to help them teach, it's with a female.
We've tried using google translate, but it can be a bit distracting at times, always having to stop what we're saying to check up the French version of a word.
2 hours ago, MrShorty said:Interestingly, one of my first discussions when I arrived as a missionary to a French speaking area was the LoC discussion to a 12 and 10 year old pair of siblings. As I recall, we left out a lot of the sexual detail, focusing the discussion on the importance of marriage and fidelity and how bearing children should occur within the marriage covenant.
Good approach, but I was more concerned with when we're teaching her about the rules of dating and what is/isn't allowed (eg heavy-petting, kissing etc)
1 hour ago, Jane_Doe said:Do NOT assume this. Do NOT assume ANYTHING in this situation.
What are her parents' role in this investigation? I would bring this up with them before talking with her about it. Get their permission and guidance first.
We used to teach her mum (that's how we found her) but her mum's since lost interest. She used to sit with us when we taught the daughter but we haven't seen her for a few lessons now.
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Hi. I meet with the local missionaries every day to teach one of the investigators, who's getting baptised at the end of this month (she's asked me to baptise her
I have two questions:
1 - she speaks French. Her English is improving but neither me nor the mishies know French. Any tips on how to navigate this language gap?
2 - she's 11 years old. We haven't taught her this yet and I'm too afraid to ask the mishies as it's sorta awkward but how do we teach the Law of Chastity to her? I mean, she probably hasn't learnt about sex yet. Do missionaries usually skip this lesson entirely when dealing with youngsters or what usually happens in these cases? The other investigators I've helped teach are all older (the youngest is 17)
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4 minutes ago, Blackmarch said:
on the serious note, it could have been something that got deleted before you could respond to it, it could be something that you already saw in one window , but didn't get updated in another.
Thanks. I'm guessing that, if it was deleted before I got to see it, there's no way to "undelete" it?
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When I logged into my account a few minutes ago, there was a red dot by the envelope at the top of the screen which, when you click on it, lets your view your inbox. The red dot had the number "one" written on it, but when I clicked on the envelope, the dot disappeared and I had no new messages. If someone could explain that, that would be great
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When I logged into my account a few minutes ago, there was a red dot by the envelope at the top of the screen which, when you click on it, lets your view your inbox. The red dot had the number "one" written on it, but when I clicked on the envelope, the dot disappeared and I had no new messages. If someone could explain that, that would be great
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When I logged into my account a few minutes ago, there was a red dot by the envelope at the top of the screen which, when you click on it, lets your view your inbox. The red dot had the number "one" written on it, but when I clicked on the envelope, the dot disappeared and I had no new messages. If someone could explain that, that would be great
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This is a question that I posed to the missionaries yesterday, during a dinner thing at one of the members' houses. (I've actually been going to dinner with the missionaries quite a lot this week, it's been pretty good in helping me feel the spirit more).
Joseph Smith practiced polygamy and he got married to a 14 year old, Helen Mar Kimball. Why is this allowed? It's not something we'd want to associate with the leader of our church.
They said that polygamy was allowed, at that time, because God wanted them to produce more kids, so that the church would grow. If this is the case, why did he only have kids with his first wife, Emma Hale, and not with any of the other women he married?
They also said that there's a difference between getting married and being sealed, and that he was "sealed" to Helen but it wasn't an actual marriage. When explaining the difference between marriage and sealing, they said that even friends can be sealed to one another (the example they gave was if the two missionaries were to be sealed together, in a brotherly way - can two unrelated guys actually be sealed like this?) but that it isn't a marriage, and that Joseph Smith didn't have sex with Helen. I Googled this when I got home, and there is no evidence of them having sex. But, if that's the case, then why do so many people use his "marriage" to a fourteen year old as a reason why the church is allegedly corrupt?
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(Sorry in advance - I realise that this is a sensitive topic)
LDS teaching states that Jesus was born the natural way (ie God became man and He and Mary did the usual practice involved in child-bearing). How is this possible? Is God the same person as Joseph because, if not, then either Mary committed adultery or God impregnated her against her will - which, let's face it, is a pretty shocking thought. I asked the missionaries via txt a while ago and they said that they do believe in the virgin birth, but statements released by prophets say otherwise.
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20 hours ago, Latter-Day Marriage said:
Perhaps others will look to you for leadership in the future and need you to step into the dark in faith rather than rely on only what you can see with the light of reason. Perhaps if you do that it will impact some in the next generation.
Don't feel bad about the cooker thing, Peter and others (and myself included) had to have God tell them something 3 times before they got the message.
That sounds like a neat interpreation. I'd love to be a leader of something and to help others :3
What was the thing God had to tell Peter thrice before he got the message?
UPDATE v.592
Today I had another meeting with the missionaries. It went well, and they were able to answer questions I had in relation to the Orlando shooting (eg "why would God let that happen to them, was it some form of punishment for their homosexuality") - something they taught me was that, in the spirit world (so after we die, but before we go to one of the kingdoms) everyone is taught God's commandments by spirit-world-missionaries (often important people who have died like the prophets and Moses) and that then, in the spirit world, people are given a chance at redemption. Which of course led me to asking "if the spirit world gives us a chance to be taught by missionaries and repent of our sins, why do missionaries teach us stuff in this world/earth-life." It would have been a lot easier if I hadn't been taught about the religion, because then I could continue living the life I want to live (eg gay) and I'd still get into the Celestial Kingdom when I repent in the spirit world. The missionaries tried to offer an explanation as to why people are taught in this life, but honestly their argument wasn't very convincing!
Also, today there were three missionaries. For the last fortnight in my city, there's been four missionaries - the two who teach me and two others. One of the others had been given an emergency transfer, so his companion became a third-wheel missionary for the two who teach me. They didn't say why the missionary got an emergency transfer - would it be rude of me to ask? Me and that missionary were fairly friendly; he was one of the only two missionaries left from the set who had been there when I first started investigating. Is it normal for there to be only three missionaries in a city? Seems like a lot of pressure to put them under. It's like the mission president said "Here's the city, the second largest city in the country - go forth onto the masses and try to convert them all, even though there's only three of you!"
The missionaries have asked me to help them in a lesson with another investigator (something they also asked me to do once before, with another investigator). Why do they do this? I'm not complaining - I loved the last time we did it - but what's the purpose of this? Do they try to get all recent converts to do this? (I'm the only recent convert in my area, so I haven't been taught by any)
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23 minutes ago, mirkwood said:
ISIS has been calling for lone wolf attacks for quite a while now. So, despite the idiot in the White House statement that there was no external direction from ISIS, that is very much open to debate.
I would go with an ISIS related lone wolf terrorist attack to describe this event. I base that opinion on my training and experience.
Sorry but I'd rather believe "that idiot in the White House" over you - you can't say that it was an ISIS related attack without proof. Even the guy's own dad (who also hates gays) thought it was wrong to murder them - thinking that they should have just let God punish them instead (his words not mine, obviously I don't think gays should be punished)
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http://deadline.com/2016/06/obama-orlando-shootings-not-isis-directed-1201771721/
So, apparently it wasn't an ISIS attack after all.
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11 hours ago, carlimac said:
ugh! The internet is full of chaos right now about who or what is really to blame. Gays want this to be about violence towards gays, requiring even more protection for them. Liberals want this to be only about gun control. They're hedging mightily that it has anything to do with ISIS. Conservatives are saying the killer pledged support to ISIS so yes it's a terrorist attack and this would have happened with gun control or not. AND wiping egg off their faces about saying bad things about gays."Well, we never said we want to kill them." The LDS Church is simply offering condolences to victims and their families. LGBT supporters/ Mormon haters are saying, we don't want your sympathy because you won't let us take the sacrament or baptize our children in your church. Some Disney afficionadoas are even asking for prayers for Orlando because that's where Disneyland is. they don't care much for the victims, just that their beloved Disneyland is so close to the danger.
What. A. Mess.
1. As well as all these opposing views, there's also all those Illuminati-tinfoil-hat people who are leaving comments on every video about the shooting claiming that it's all some hoax. Pretty insensitive tbh.
2. "LGBT supporters/Mormon haters are saying, we don't want your sympathy because you won't let us take the sacrament or baptize our children in your church". That's ridiculous. The church has explained MANY times why that rule about those children not getting baptized is necessary, not an act of hatred. And everyone should respect the church for the support it's given in relation to this tragedy. Also, forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought gay people ARE allowed to take the sacrament - in my church ward, there's an investigator who still hasn't turned away from homosexuality and he's still allowed to take the sacrament.
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Awesome! Glad to hear that the church is with the rest of the world on this issue, and thanks for sharing the tweet Latter-Day Marriage
So it's morning time now in my country. Before I went to sleep I asked for guidance from God and for a sign to show me what way I'm supposed to live (I always ask for this sign, because as you know I have been conflicted and struggling a bit, but I haven't gotten the sign yet). But then, when I fell asleep, I had a dream and I'm wondering if I'm reading way too much into this but:
I was on top of a tall mountain. I was with a group of other people, including one pregnant woman. A storm happened and it became very dark, practically impossible to see anything. We had to make our way back down the mountain, especially taking care of the woman in need, but it was too dark.
As we descended the mountain, I used a flashlight to try and see my way through the darkness. But then a voice said that I shouldn't use this light - that I'm only using the light because I'm too scared something bad might happen, and instead I should just trust that God will keep us safe and just blindly walk down the mountain (ie without the flashlight) as He'll make sure no harm comes to us. We did so for a while.
But then somehow we were in a furnace (yep, dream transitions are weird), which was basically like the inside of a million cookers but they forgot to turn the cookers off and the place was roasting. I tried for a while to not let the heat get to me, thinking that God would keep us safe like He did on the mountain, but eventually the heat got too much for me, I started screaming "turn off the cooker, turn off the cooker!" and that's when I woke up
Immediately after I woke up, I felt bad for letting fear get to me, and knew that I should have just trusted in God and know that, no matter how hot it was, God would make sure that everything would turn out all right. I know it was just a dream but I felt bad by not trusting in Him, and actually had to pray for forgiveness...
Am I reading way too much into this dream? Have any of you ever had similar dreams? Do you think it's something I could tell the missionaries about tomorrow, or would it make me sound lame?! What do you think the pregnant woman might symbolize? I ain't pregnant, nor a woman, and none of the females I know are pregnant either. Everyone I was with on the mountain in the dream were people I've never seen before (ie they weren't people I know in real life)
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Just saw this thread now - it's good to hear that, despite LDS' views on homosexuality, everyone's able to recognise how much of a tragedy this shooting is. As Derpy Hooves has said, Ramadan has just started ... hopefully there won't be more things like this throughout the rest of the month. Thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of those involved in this tragedy.
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So, as a lot of you have probably heard, last night there was a shooting in a gay club in Orlando, Florida. 50 people were killed, 53 were injured.
It was an attack based on religious intolerance (the person responsible acted under his extreme, warped view of Islam). When I heard the news, I txted my missionaries, asking if we could talk about the LDS' church's view on this shooting and I also asked if, for our next lesson, we could meet in my city's LGBT coffee shop, as I wanted to go there to show my support and I won't have another chance to go into town this week, and the missionaries said we could meet there, which is honestly quite amazing of them. I'm sure there's a lot of people in the church who'd hate to enter a LGBT coffee shop, so it's definitely something I appreciate. Also, while I'm there, I'll briefly mention about how I had the crush. I won't say who I had the crush on, but I'll say to them that I did have a crush on one of the missionaries in our area (so they'll know it was either them or one of the two others) and it was a large part of the reason why I didn't go to church for the last two Sundays. The branch president was understanding when I said it to him, and I'm sure the missionaries will be the same. I no longer have as powerful a crush as I once did, but I think it will be helpful to just be honest about it and, quite frankly, if I find guys cute in the future, I'll just admit it. If the Orlando shootings taught me anything, it's that life is too short to waste time hiding who you are. And, when I'm being honest and open about it, it will be easier to "choose the right" and not act on those feelings - a large part of temptation is being burdened down by the guilt of keeping those temptations secret. If I admit that I still have gay tendencies, it will be a lot easier to try and move past it. Something I've learnt over the last few weeks, and especially this week as I've done a lot of deep prayer and soul-searching this week, is that having gay thoughts is perfectly normal, even within church circles, as long as you never act on them.
Also, I'll be wearing mascara silver nail varnish to the coffee shop (silver as a reference to "silver bullets" - Teen Wolf is a show I'm addicted to atm). Which means that when I have to do that awkward handshake church members do whenever they meet, the missionaries will notice the nail varnish and mascara, but as I said I'm not going to hold anything back from now on. And no, those bits of makeup aren't to "deceive people into thinking I'm female" but just something that I like wearing.
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4 hours ago, estradling75 said:
You might be running into a problem with terminology. I am married and I have a heterosexual relationship with my wife. It is not celibate and not expected to be so. I have friends who are girls... I don't run around calling those relationships celibate heterosexual relationships... I simply call them friendships.
This is something that comes up a lot - "aren't celibate relationships just friendships". The answer is no. There's an emotional commitment that exists in a relationship that isn't there quite as much in friendships. It's the person you want to spend the rest of your life with, the person you want to raise a family with, the person you want to cuddle when you go to sleep ... stuff that mightn't exist in friendships. Also, there's the fact that - if you're both in a celibate relationship - you both know that there's attraction there. You mightn't turn this attraction into s*x but there's attraction there nonetheless.
You also seem to vary between calling yourself a homosexual and asexual. Those terms are contradictory. An asexual person does not bare the burden of a sexual attraction to anyone... The temptation to violate the Law of Chasity through sexual desire simply isn't there. Whereas for hetero, or homo sexuals it is there (although the strength may vary)
If you want a label, I'm a "homoromantic asexual" - I don't desire sexual contact with someone but I do desire a relationship. Tbh I figured such terms might be a little confusing for the general person using these forums, as it's pretty much a Tumblrism.
In your prior post you describe a relationship were you SO is not OK with an celibate relationship. (Actions speak louder then words) That is unlikely to change. That makes the most likely case that either you give in or you break up. Neither one is going to be a pleasant journey for you
We've broken up. I thought I already said that. After he groped me, I pretty much knew we were finished.
Now you should have been taught that the greatest blessing that God offers in to Husband and Wife legally and lawfully married. That is not easy to obtain even for those of us happy married. We have to struggle and work for it. If we fail then we end up with a lesser blessing a blessing that we show we are capable of obtaining.
One man's treasure is another man's torture. Why would marriage to a woman be considered a blessing for me, when I have absolutely no interest in women? God gives us many blessings, marriage isn't the only one.
You have hard choices to make. You can make the choice to face the struggle required of you to get the greatest blessing God offers... Which is going to be a huge struggle for you (like it is for everyone one way or another). It will be a struggle, you will have doubts and thoughts that it is just not worth it, but the Lord's promises are true.
Or you can decide that you don't want all that God is willing to offer you. That is a much easier road, it is not nearly as much of a struggle or a sacrifice, but then the blessing is lesser to.
To be completely honest, I'm not the kind of person who wants every blessing under the sun. I hate how some people pay tithing and follow commandments for the sole reason that they're promised blessings if we do those things. Shouldn't we follow His commandments anyways, without expecting anything in return? Yes, I'll get blessings and so what if those blessings are something that you might consider "lesser"?
That leads us to the Temple... a good chunk of the Endowment text is found in the Book of Abraham it covers the Creation and places us in the role of Adam and Eve. It put you under more covenants the detail of which are already part of church teachings that you know (you go from being taught various principles of the gospel to promising to live them)
The temple is a place for those have have chosen to face the struggles required to get the great blessing God offers. That is why we wait a year before new converts can go(excepting baptisms for the dead)... You are showing doubts and confusion on just how much you are willing to do and how true you really think the church is... Which means you are not ready. That is ok... You can either choose to work and prepare yourself or you can choose not to
Met with branch president today and he explained about temples. I know I'm not yet worthy to go but I'm going to prepare myself for them. Also, the branch president didn't have an answer for the celibate relationships question but he said he'll go and find out and lemme know.
2 hours ago, Eowyn said:"Playing" kissing games for fun shows to me a lack of maturity and/or lack of respect for the human body, and/or lack of understanding of what any sort of affection beyond friendly (short) hugs can do to promote attachments between people.
Kissing games are brief, tongue-on-tongue action that only lasts for a short time (some people may choose to make them last longer, that's up for them). It's more of a joke and fun than a sign of affection for the other person. If I wanted to affectionately kiss someone, I wouldn't use spin-the-bottle to do it.
Mission Call: when will it arrive?
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Hi. I've applied for an LDS mission. Papers have been sent away etc so wondering when will it arrive?
1. Yesterday, I had a meeting with my Elders and the branch president happened to be in the chapel at the same time. He told me he had looked at the application and it had now left Germany (the Area HQ) and was going to the brethren in Salt Lake. He looked at the application on Sunday, and the last time he had checked before that was Wednesday, so basically the papers could have left Germany at any stage in this past week.
~How long does it take to send the application from Germany to Salt Lake? Is that part also done online, in which case does Salt Lake receive it immediately? / How much of the entire process is done online? When the brethren send the call to Germany, is that also online, and then it's sent via post from Germany to my house in Ireland?
2. What day of the week do the brethren assign mission calls? How long, after it's been sent to Salt Lake, will it take the brethren to look at my application? Do they look at every application they receive that week, or does it take a few weeks? My missionaries say that March is a fairly quiet month for applications so hopefully it doesn't take too long!
3. If the application's been sent to Salt Lake now, how long will it take for the call to reach my house? Should it be there by Easter (April 16th)?
4. As it's passed through Area HQ, does that mean there's no way my papers are going to be sent back now? I never included a passport, does that not matter?
5. Am I guaranteed to be called, or is there still a chance I won't be called? If the brethren pray and can't think of a place to send me, what happens?
Also, I know a lot of people find the wait nerve-wrecking (the wait between when they send off the papers and when they receive the call) but I'm glad to wait. It gives me extra time to be prepared, so that once I've opened the call I'll be in the "missionary mindset". Anything I lack at, I'm trying to improve on between now and then.