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If you are truly repentant, have no fear in being excommunicated from the Church. Call it Gods will if you must. I have been a member my entire life, like you, and I have had a good solid couple of years of inactivity, where I wanted and had nothing to do with the church because I wanted things it advised against. Your best bet, which works 100% of the time for everyone like us, is to pray to God and believe that he wants the best for you, even if you feel you dont deserve it. Ask specifically for the Spirit to be with the Bishop as you attempt to speak with him on a specific day and time. And itll all work out according to your wants if they are righteous. You'll be surprised. Best feeling ever.

1. Christ cannot perfect a sinner. That is to say a person perfects themselves by using christ's atonement. (I.e perfected through Christ) therefore Christ cannot perfect anyone unless they use their agency to choose to repent. 2. Agree 3. Only the righteous will have 1000+ years And yes, however long it may take, a person can change given the right time and circumstance.

I think people are misunderstanding my question. The probationary state is not the only state in which repentance is possible, so mosiah and Alma did not have the full scope of the plan of salvation. Because people can repent when they are dead. My question is: Why is the Mortal experience so important. Could we not have done all of this a better way ? We exercised free will before we came to earth, could we not have a different plan in which eternal justice doesnt limit so many people, and instead have an eternity to try perfect ourselves

A Jewish day is 12 hours long. He died 12pm Friday. Dead for 1 day = Friday afternoon Dead 1 night = Friday night 2 day = Saturday 2 night = Saturday 3 day =Sunday morning. 3 night = Sunday night, He didnt appear to the apostles until the night time. So all, except the apostles thought that his body was in the tomb for the 3 days and nights. It definately was for 3 days.

Hey will not force them. But if they choose to their pride over marriage, they will be denied the blessings of exaltation.

Doubt and lacking faith are NOT sins. Last general conference stated that very clearly. Which psalm ?? Bruce R. Mckonkie wrote that definition you know. You shouldnt be so quick to cling to it. If you re read that definition, it says, spiritual death is death pertaining to things of righteousness, but this only applies to the judgement. The other type of spiritual death is separation from God. Christ needed to experience spiritual death, otherwise he is a liar when he says he descended below all things. I could say I've experienced worse than Him, because I have experienced being without God and he hasn't.

This is logical. However, Gods ways are not our ways, therefore dont be so confident that this is the answer.

I believe and so does Bruce R. Mckonkie and many other apostles, that Christ experienced spiritual death on the cross for a short moment, when he cried, "Eli eli, Lama sabacthani", which is to say: my God my God, why have you forsaken me.

When Satan Opposed Gods plan, there was a war in heaven. This means, satan sinned in Gods presence, yet God allowed satan to stay in his presence for a long enough time for him to influence 1 third of all the hosts of heaven. That is probably trillions of people. So sin and uncleaness can be in Gods presence? Did we not choose God over Satan premortal?

Then answer this question, in light of this. Why cant we all stay as spirits and learn what the children learned, before they died at 8yrs.

I should have been more specific. How does your theory work for children that died before experiencing the above reference. Do they miss out on the learning, yet are saved. Seems to me that this is not the case. That your above mentioned reason for being here is wrong.

How does this theory work for people that die without having lived more than 2 years on earth.

God does withhold or hide information from us though. We do not have all truth, which is why we are discussing this. I see no point in living this life, if I had all knowledge and could progress into a being like michael, Lucifer and even christ, without a body. Seems to me then, that all I need is a body and my progression should continue from where it was, not from ground 0. It is perfectly reasonable that God withholds information from us here and before so that we can learn and choose on our own. If I were told everything from an all knowing God, I wouldn't argue, question, or choose otherwise.

Mosiah 26:25-27 He is speaking of final judgement, then casts them into hell. If you have to change the way scripture reads, you're almost always wrong. This is a tactic many religious people use to justify their wrong opinions. Jehovah's witnesses for example. Although I can see your logic, I dont agree with it. It sounds wrong to me that a good intention person do good works, without authority and be cast into hell for it.

As I said, I was asking for deep thought on the topic. Is a spirit physical ? When enoch was shown the fate of the world, he looked at the Spirit premortal Christ and Christ was crying. Obviously experiencing emotional, cognitive pain because of the world. So my question was. If we could experience these types of things before earth. Why are we experiencing them again. Could we not have learned this through the spiritual means and therefore deem them unnecessary experiences to have again and again.