Fether

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  1. Christ did keep every higher law, we constantly call him the Great Exemplar. We always ask ourselves WWJD (but maybe not exactly like that)... celestial marriage is the highest law... I don't see why not... but regardless of whether he was married on Earth or not, he will have to be eventually. God has all power because he is in perfect harmony with all Law (d&c student institute manual)... if Christ wants to be like Heavenly Father, he too will need to be married.
  2. I agree, the hard part is when you believe you are square with God... but really not (I'm speaking generally about sin and not calling out people who chose not to serve). We can't extend judgement toward people, but can we let them believe that the sin they are committing is ok? how do we do that without coming across as judging? Should we even worry about coming across as being judgmental even when we aren't?
  3. So I'm pretty sure we have already addressed this in earlier comments. I'm not generalizing. I know very well people want to but because of physical limits they can't and they are an exception.
  4. I just think that it is wrong to actively choose not to serve when you are mentally and physically able to. Personality, personal testimony, finances, sports, marriage, or attitude should not keep any young man from a mission. Health (mental and physical) and worthiness should be only things keeping you from serving.
  5. You can still do a lot of good by not serving a mission and doing something else with your time, but a right does not correct a wrong. The commandment from The prophets is to serve a full time mission, not to go do missionary work in whatever way you want (that is a separate commandment all together). Again, not serving does not mean you are a bad person. Kinda like smoking a cigarette or breaking the Law of Chastity doesn't make you a bad person. But they are commandments from God.
  6. @MormonGator I disagree with all of this. I went in my mission because I knew I was suppose to. I felt that if I didn't llgo, I would be ostrisized from the LDS community (which really isn't true). I began serving and within 6 months I was giving my all and loved every second of it. i also had another friend who committed just about every sin you could to keep you from a mission and only went to avoid judgement from family. He said he lied his way through every interview in order to go. When he got out, he had an intense change of heart, confessed to the mission Pres. And later became one of the best Assistants to the President I ever had. If your an arrogant jerk, your going to need to repent of that before entering the celestial kingdom. Same goes for those who are going through the motions. God doesn't only use perfect missionaries who have all the right qualities. He calls us in our weakness and makes those weaknesses strong. That is how miracles are made. I don't believe there is any circumstance besides health (which you should leave to the decision if the general authorities) that should keep a young man from a mission. If I chose not to serve, my weaknesses I had in highschool (such as my aarogance and pride) would still be there and the strengths I have would be non existent.
  7. Is it not a sin. Can a young man choose not to serve a mission and avoid condemnation for the sin?
  8. Yes it's both. The spirit is refined matter (d+c 131:7). To say the spirit has no brain is to suggest a spirit can't think (I feel that way atleast). Also, of you remember when the brother of Jared saw Christ, he was only a spirit at that time, but yet still looked like a man. Our spirits are intact bodies, just finite. I think it is safe to assume Christ, in that spirit form, had all the organs a regular person like you are I have.
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    Did Nephi know he was going to kill Laban?

    Fine >:( thansk everyone for humoring my question
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    Did Nephi know he was going to kill Laban?

    That crossed my mind too, but then I thought about hard times in my life that I knew were coming (mission, getting in a roller coaster, etc.). I knew it was coming, but when it happened I panicked. Not suggesting you are wrong, just another potential view. I like to think he did know, that he went in there planning on killing him because he knew there was no other way to get the plates, but didn't know exactly where to go or how it would happen. We are always told as missionaries to have a plan, then follow the spirit as we go... Also... he did draw the blade before the spirit "constrained him". Why else would he draw the blade?
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    Gender Identification - NO HATE!

    I can't think of a single doctrinal backing for this.
  12. Just a thought I have been sitting on for a while. In institute, Sunday's school, elders quorum and many other teaching and learning situations, using a PowerPoint to direct discussion has always been super popular (at least where I'm from). However, I have never enjoyed this. The majority of times when I sit in on these lessons, the goal typically tends to be to reach the end of the PowerPoint rather than teach to needs of the students. It often forces the class to go into 'lecture' mode and there are few question opportunities outside of pre-planned questions from the teacher. In the manual 'Teaching in the Savior's Way' it says "it is not necessary to cover everything in one class period in order to touch someone’s heart--often one or two key points are enough." It also says similar things in 'Preach my Gospel' and many other church produced resources. I feel like we shooting ourselves in the foot when we are teaching and choose to use PowerPoints. What are the benefits to PowerPoints? Is there a way around the common flaws if using PowerPoints?
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    Gender Identification - NO HATE!

    Regardless if we had the male or female sexual organs are there or not (don't know why they wouldn't be cause we were created spiritually before physically (Moses 3:5)), our gender is eternal. Im a man now, was before birth and will be after death. "Our gender was established before we were born into mortality and is an essential characteristic of our eternal identity." - Institute Eternal families Teacher Manual
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    Gender Identification - NO HATE!

    Personal rebuttals! Maybe God does put us in a body... "the eternal spirit enters the body prior to a normal birth, and therefore that stillborn children will be resurrected" - Bruce R McConkie and not to mention we look like our parents... how does that line up with our spirits looking like our bodies seeing how we have existed for eternity but physical traits weren't developed till earth life??? Did everyone of us all look exactly the same prior to birth??? I don't even know... I'm just ganna leave this discussion x)
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    Gender Identification - NO HATE!

    When I said those things, I was referencing te idea that god puts male spirits in female bodies (visa versa) and and justification towards homosexuality. But it didn't occure to me that people were born without either part. If that is true than that does put a hole in my arguement. but I do standby the arguement that God does not "put us" in bodies, but rather they form according to our spirits. With all that is being discussed, perhaps in the forming process, abnormalities can form????
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    Gender Identification - NO HATE!

    "All living things—mankind, animals, and plants—were spirits before any form of life existed upon the earth (Gen. 2:4–5; Moses 3:4–7). The spirit body looks like the physical body (1 Ne. 11:11; Ether 3:15–16; D&C 77:2; 129). Spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure than mortal element or matter (D&C 131:7)." - LDS.org definition of 'spirit' a spirit isnt just a wisp floating around, it is an actual physical being. The spirit body looks exactly like our body, that includes the gender specifying parts. I don't believe God "put us" in a body, I believe it is just the natural law if things to developed a body that looks like our spirit. If this is not the case, how is it that Joseph smith recognized his brother Alvin as a spirit in his vision? Or Brigham young recognize Joseph smith in his visions? One could argue they formed themselves to look like the way they were when they died, but then that opens up all sorts of possible tricks of the adversary and goes against the quoye above. Any justification towards gender indentification is dangerous and will only lead to heart ache. Gods stance towards marriage and sexual relations is very clear and any deviation is a sin. i also know multiple LDSs who are homosexual but choose to live a heterosexual life. It isn't impossible
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    My name is Fether :)

    Hey I'm Fether! I've been on here for like a month or so, figured I should do this intro thing. Im a recent RM, love discussing and questioning things. I enjoy debating hot topics and argueing (not fighting) ideas. I love anything that questions or puts my beliefs up to the test allowing me to see if my beliefs are accurate! I love challenging culture! I do drumline, I enjoy writing, I live in the mighty kingdom of Zion (Utah ). I love being happy, though I often find myself grumpy :(. I love scriptures (but I'm no scriptorian) thats me
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    Can Satan make you sick?

    Very true! I forgot about this! An example of spiritual sickness can be found in the story of Zeezrom (Alma 15).
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    Can Satan make you sick?

    While serving my mission, often times a week before someone's baptism something terrible would happen. Someone would die, they would get sick, or something like that. The typical missionary response was "I hate Satan!"... but I don't know that he has the ability. All he is is a spirit and so all the damage he could do is that of the spirit. I think what is happening is God is testing them to see how committed they are to his gospel. with the case of Job, I have heard many times that it is a symbolic story. But I'm not positive. I don't think Satan can do physical damage to us (unless we allow him and invite him in). However, he can tempt us to doubt and become angry when trials come upon us. that is my insight and understanding.
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    My name is Fether :)

    Actual favorite hymn and temple: poor way fareing man of grief ogden temple
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    My name is Fether :)

    @Sunday21 Favorite hymn: Rock of Ages (Def Leppard version) fav. Temple: me I am a bluegrass fan my mission was in the south! I use to love Kiss... but haven't listen to them in a while so I don't know anymore I absolutely love potlucks as long as there aren't an over abundance of cheesy potatoes. Both a tried and tested/bring something new, I mix things up Favorite "my calling made me grow". I was the Seminary a Council President in high school and that forced me to shapen up a bit, learned how to lead council discussions and make decisions that effect large groups of people Taught primary once a bunch if 7 year olds!! favorite vacation: Glacier National Park / Yosemite
  22. In the Millenium, the righteous will be the only ones that stand. There are plenty of righteous people who are not Mormon... however... if one is to "confess" Christ as their savior, they must also confess his doctrine. His doctrine is found in the LDS church... so eventually everyone will be LDS. but I guess this comment won't make much sense until we answer a pretty important question. is this fictional "ministry" a replacement of the New Testament? Is it in addition to the NT? Or is it his second coming?
  23. I think you are very right. Thinking back, I can think of a few situations where a stake president presented a training of some sort using a powerpoint and it was fantastic. I can think of another situation where one was using a white board and it was very lecture like. I guess a lot of the time we become slaves to the tools rather than masters of them.
  24. A simple question that has perplexed me for a long time now. Why is it that when we read over the Old Testament and learn about multiple wives we shrug it off, but when we see it in church history, there is so much upheaval over it? It's all the same doctrine. Do we (even the most faithful of saints) struggle seeing the Bible as being more fictitious than actual "recorded" history? I'm interested to hear responses.