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  2. temple picture

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    33 minutes ago, jewels8 said:

    often it is up to us, with our free agency and folllowing the Spirit to help bring about good changes.  Just because something is one way, doesn't mean it needs to stay that way.

    Yes :) "good changes" are good! but the church can't change things every time a small minority of the church is offended by something. I feel like that would politicize the church very quickly. I side with Vort. If there was a real problem with the picture, I'm sure those who have a higher degree of spiritual sensitivity and stewardship would make the change.

    I have a friend that told me once "If I have a view that I find is not shared by the general authorities, I will change my view". In other words, he would repent (and repent is not some scary word we use when we are awful murdering sinners, repenting is simply a change of heart and mind to become more christlike)

  4. False Christ

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    On 9/4/2017 at 2:46 PM, jewels8 said:

    Many LDS know that the peace that the Holy Spirit brings can not be duplicated by the adversary.   But is there any doctrine that states that Satan and/or the spirits who followed him in the pre earth life (not any born onto the earth), can deceive others by putting on them the appearance of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and/or Heavenly Father?  I wouldn't think that would be allowed, but wondered if any General Authorities have ever specifically needed to discuss that or shared any insight on it.

    I suppose he could for some... In fact I'm pretty sure he has convinced many he is a Christ

  7. Deeper understanding of "House of the Lord"

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    7 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:

    I am not sure of the question.

    Do you have a house.  The Lord has several houses on this Earth.

    How do you want people to act in your house.  We should probably be just as polite and respectful of the Lord in his own House.

    It is where his spirit resides.  He can literally come to his house on Earth (the Holy Temple) and be there.  We have several occasions where he or his angels have been in the Temple.

    Once again, I'm not sure of the question.

    I understand all that, Im just curious if there had been any quotes from prophets that expanded the meaning or gave a different perspective that anyone had come across

  8. garments/hostpital

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    7 hours ago, jewels8 said:

    I appreciate the sacred nature of the temple garment.  I appreciate the instruction we are given concerning them.  Because they are sacred, I would not want just anyone seeing them.  Is it ok to remove them when you are a patient in the hospital and needing to wear the hospital gown?  Then just put them back on when you are discharged, whether it be a few hours or a few days later?

    The idea is to keep them sacred, most doctors/nurses have a high level of professionalism where they won't take them lightly or make fun of them.

  15. Mad at Modesty

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    1 hour ago, GirlNextDoor said:

    Growing up, I was the obly mormon in my family. I started coming to church around the age of 7 and was baptized at the age of 9. With any aspect pf the church, I was on my own. I didnt have parents telling me what was and wasnt okay for mormon standards. It wasnt until I was 12 years old that I learned about modesty. I was actually quite upset that my sunday school teachers didnt find it important that I knew this. I had gone my whole lds life wearing tank tops and shorts above the knee.

    But at the same time, I am almost grateful for not finding out sooner, because it gave me a new outlook on modesty. As I was making changes to my wardrobe to fit lds standards, I came across a question. Why do I need to do this?  I went ahead and googled it and found an answer from the lds website (lds.org) It said that our bodies are temples and they should not distract or in any case not be able to contain the spirit and/or draw away from us as a person.

    As my research continued I found many people saying it was to help men so they would bot be distracted.

    Now wait. Slow down. It is MY responsibilty as a woman to make sure that I dont distract men?

    Um no thanks! And why would it be a problem anyways? When you are too young to wear garments, you probably havent even sexually developed, therefore you should not be "distracting" to men in that way. If a young man can not control something like that, then he needs to be the one to change, it is not a girls responsibilty!!

    I understand that once you wear garments you will need to cover them up with certain vlothing, and that I understand. But young girls should not feel the need to hide their shoulders and thighs in worries that they might distract boys or have God not love them as much or not see them as a good person. The church should be encouraging young girls to be confident and know that their body is nothing to be ashamed of, God created that body just for you!

    I know that Heavenly Father is not shallow enough to judge a person by what they wear because that is not what they are. And I want you to understand that too.

     

    This is not ment to offend someone, I am just expressing my opinion.

    This isn't the first time someone has been frustrated by the notion of "it being to help men." I for one have never come across this besides seeing others complain about so I don't think it is true at all.

    Many boys and girls start thinking about sex at a young age. Many will come across pornography as early as 9 (I did).

    Now in no girl, but I feel confident in telling you that you will find more joy in your life if you choose to be modest.

  19. When the traffic light is stuck on red...

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    2 hours ago, Bini said:

    I use common sense, which, doesn't always go hand-in-hand with the law. I've been met with a stuck red light a few times in my life and after waiting patiently for x amount of time, I eventually make the decision to go through it, once it is clearly safe and no cars are headed through.

    This is kind of an interesting thing to read x) "I eventually made the decision" makes the situation sound like some intense moral anomaly xD Im sure we are all the same way :)

  20. When the traffic light is stuck on red...

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    21 hours ago, Backroads said:

    What's your tactic? 

    Before in life, I've maneuvered to the other lane or backed up if available. Today I was wild and ran that stuck red light after sitting there for possibly ten minutes, lost in thought, and then giving myself five more minutes to observe. I did wait for the other lane to be clear. 

    If I'm the only tax payer on the road, the road is mine and i can do what I want :)

  21. Mixed Mormons?

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    I think we should just be good always. Personality and how we act does and should change. When I'm around my nephews, I am going to wrestle them all and let them climb all over me. When I'm around my parents, I probably won't. 

    My stances of gospel topics do not change but how I address them does. For example, I'll openly admit the evils of homosexual relationship in a presidency meeting, but speak more cautiously when im around my many friends that are homosexual (though my stance will be the same).

  22. Which is the Greater Service?

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    1 hour ago, clbent04 said:

    I thought the numbers were lower than 50%. I didn't want to understate how low they were, so I went with a conversative percentage from what I was able to recall in my own wards.

    Why do you think the numbers are low? Are members not seeing the value? 

    I remember back in my family ward growing up, whenever the EQ President tried to get the numbers up, he would share experiences from visiting his assigned families and how it made a difference in their lives.

    Sharing personal experiences is probably the best way to help others see the value. But instead of having that effect on my at the time, I remember just thinking the EQ Pres was just some kind of exceptional guy who wasn't like the rest of us average members.

    So instead of his stories inspiring me to do my hometeaching like I'm sure he meant to, I just ended up viewing him as an exceptional member that was in another league than the rest of us

    The best way to raise any percentage in the church is to raise overall righteousness if the members. No matter how many miracle stories there are and no matter what tactics you use to people to do home teaching, it won't last unless they are praying, reading and living the gospel every day.

    I don't like "miracle" stories because like every miracle or conversion story in scripture, they are the exception and not the rule.

    I had a cool experience where I helped a YSA I home taught become active again. but I don't tell that story nearly as often as I tell the story of the old couple whom I HT. They are as active as they can be due to health restraints. Before and During my first visit, they told me 3 or 4 times that they hadn't had HT in 3 years and how they had missed it so much (in reality they had HT but they never came). I spent 30 minutes just talking and getting to know them. It was fun!

  23. Which is the Greater Service?

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    15 hours ago, clbent04 said:

    I'd like to say congratulations again to my boy @Grunt for getting the right answer on this. Good job. We shouldn't judge which service is better, and like @Fether said, we should accept whatever we are called or inspired to do (all sarcasm aside, I concede these are the right answers).

    Shifting gears here, I really just want to talk about the value of home teaching needing to be given more credit. At face value, home teaching may seem like an overly simple task that isn't meaningful whether you do it or not, but it should be meaningful. If more members took it upon themselves to make home teaching more than something to receive a check mark for every month, I think we would see a lot of positive value.

    How many Elders Quorum meetings do you go to where the EQ President talks about how low the home teaching numbers are?  I've usually see the numbers right around 50 percent.  I think they're always low largely due to how a lot of members view home teaching. 

    I remember being visited by home teachers assigned to me and my family maybe 50 times (and that is being generous).  And ever since I left my family home at 18 years old, I have never been contacted or visited by the home teachers assigned to me. So take the 31 years I've been a member multiplied by 12 months and you get 372 months.  On average, I've been visited 13 percent of the time (50 visits divided by 372 months).

    Now, you might ask, were my own home teaching numbers any better? Probably not. I've never really taken it that seriously either except maybe from when I was 25 to 27 years old. I remember putting more effort into it back then. But that doesn't mean I still don't see the value in it. If I do get back into the full swing of things, I'd like to try to be a better member of the church by taking home teaching more seriously myself.

    I thought about this a while ago. If you were tasked with making this world a better place, what would you do? How would you design a program everyone could follow that makes a difference? I arrived at the conclusion that I would like to make a difference in my own backyard, to make positive changes in the very place I live, to get to know my neighbors, to find out their likes and dislikes, to earn their trust so that they might be able to rely on me if they ever needed help, and to share the message of the gospel as much as I can.

    And I thought, wait, isn't that exactly what home teaching is? We already have the program right there in front of us. Why am I not embracing it? And then I slowly stopped going to church altogether, but I'm still enthused nonetheless about how great home teaching can be when it's done the right way.

    I get a little fired up on this topic. I was visiting my parents Ward a few weeks ago and the lesson on EQ was about service or something like that.

    It was a very good lesson :) at the end, the teacher posed the question "what can we do to find more opportunities to serve?" Now in my own Ward, we have as low as 13% home teaching sometimes. And I know the church has a major problem with this. I brought up in that lesson that we shouldn't be seeking additional service opportunities when we are failing in the service we are called to do. And I tried to say it in such a way to not extend judgment as I didn't know the numbers there, nor was it my place or duty.

  24. Which is the Greater Service?

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    15 hours ago, clbent04 said:

    An LDS man for the last 37 years has never missed a month home teaching his families. He gets to know them and is involved in their lives, offers Priesthood blessings when needed, and never expects anything in return but the friendships he's fostered and his own personal relationship with the Lord.

    Another LDS man never goes home teaching, but loves to travel and decides for one of his trips why not do a humanitarian project in Africa. He comes back from his trip and uploads lots of pictures on Facebook posting how humbled he was to see so many impoverished people, and what a privilege it was to build a couple thatched roof huts for them to live in.

    The greater service of the two undoubtedly in my mind is the faithful home teacher.  I am a firm believer in the divine inspiration of the home teaching and visiting teaching programs of the church. While some members may see these monthly visits as a nuisance (both for the home teacher and the families he visits), when home teaching is done right, it is one of the greatest services we can provide.  

    What better way to serve than serving those in your own backyard, to build rapport and trust with those in your own ward?  Service is more effective when provided by someone who you know to be truly invested in you and your family.  Home teaching gives us the opportunity to build meaningful relationships, to share the gospel of Jesus Christ, and to make a positive impact on our own neighbors.  

    If we can't love our own neighbors, are we capable of loving anyone else in the world?  The greatest service is always performed with love.  Oftentimes, it's your own impression that you leave on people for which they're most grateful for, not just the act of service.

    I greatest service is the service you are called to do.

  25. You have GOT to see this!

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    12 hours ago, Sunday21 said:

    What are your picks for Movies & Tv that everyone should see?

    I'll start.

    Movies: Stranger than fiction - fictional character comes to life

    Source Code - science fiction drama

    My super ex-girlfriend

    GroundHog Day 

    Tv - Buffy the vampire slayer, Poirot (Belgian dectective in the U.K.)

    Leverage is fantastic!

    i-zombie

    White Collar

    Revolution