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That is exactly what it means.  The Father can neither dwell within us, nor lay down His own life, because He is already a perfected, immortal being.  The Son offered Himself to fulfill the Father's plan, and the Holy Spirit did the same relevant to His role.
The Godhead exists out of necessity.  The Father, being perfect in every way, would not have introduced roles and members of the Godhead that He was capable of filling on His own.  This is also another reason that it can be rightly said that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God.  None of them possess the capacity to bring about the salvation and exhalation of man alone.  Hence, united, they operate as one God.

I get what you are saying and I believe this is mostly a lexical disagreement.  I will also argue that, in my view, what you are saying here is meaningfully equivalent to what I said.  I will add the clarifying note that, if there is anything the Father cannot Himself do alone, it is only because the capacity to do so is not something that exists within reality.
If anyone needs them, I am happy to provide relevant passages from the scriptures that relate to this discussion, my position, and why I am willing to be more explicit in the way I said what I did (I know Vort already knows them).

I get what you are saying and I believe this is mostly a lexical disagreement.  I will also argue that, in my view, what you are saying here is meaningfully equivalent to what I said.  I will add the clarifying note that, if there is anything the Father cannot Himself do alone, it is only because the capacity to do so is not something that exists within reality.
If anyone needs them, I am happy to provide relevant passages from the scriptures that relate to this discussion, my position, and why I am willing to be more explicit in the way I said what I did (I know Vort already knows them).

I get what you are saying and I believe this is mostly a lexical disagreement.  I will also argue that, in my view, what you are saying here is meaningfully equivalent to what I said.  I will add the clarifying note that, if there is anything the Father cannot Himself do alone, it is only because the capacity to do so is not something that exists within reality.
If anyone needs them, I am happy to provide relevant passages from the scriptures that relate to this discussion, my position, and why I am willing to be more explicit in the way I said what I did (I know Vort already knows them).

That is exactly what it means.  The Father can neither dwell within us, nor lay down His own life, because He is already a perfected, immortal being.  The Son offered Himself to fulfill the Father's plan, and the Holy Spirit did the same relevant to His role.
The Godhead exists out of necessity.  The Father, being perfect in every way, would not have introduced roles and members of the Godhead that He was capable of filling on His own.  This is also another reason that it can be rightly said that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God.  None of them possess the capacity to bring about the salvation and exhalation of man alone.  Hence, united, they operate as one God.

Very nice to see you back, @person0!

Not trying to start an argument, but for the sake of further clarifying the LDS position (as I understand it), we definitely are in full agreement on this; we simply believe that the concept of creation ex nihilo makes the above objectively impossible.

Just to blow your mind a bit, I'm going to spin this a different way for you.
Latter-Day Saints believe that our faith is the true religion of Christ restored to the earth, possessing His priesthood and the authority necessary to organize and govern His Church.
In essence, if put bluntly and taken to the extreme, we are the true Christians and others are in fact, not.  Of course, in actuality, we gladly welcome and acknowledge all who seek to follow Christ as fellow Christians.
I say it like that to demonstrate how easy it is to declare that someone is not what they claim to be.  The truth in any spiritual declaration can only be confirmed by the power of the Holy Ghost, which is how you can figure it out.

Creatio ex nihilo is actually the belief of creating something out of nothing. Which is why we don't believe in it. 

I don't mean to speak for Grunt.  But I'll add my 2 cents.
Maybe vengeful is not the precise word for it.  It would be almost sinister.
If we believe:
In Ex Nihilo creation.  This means that God purposefully created every single aspect of our being, good and evil. God is all knowing from the beginning to the end of time He has set up the universe in one giant, perfectly synchronous clock that will simply move the way He pre-designed it to move. Then we must conclude:
We don't really have free will.  God made us exactly as we are when we're born.  He gave us the circumstances to which we would react and by which we learn good or evil.  And we react in perfect harmony of God's predictions/desires for our eternal destiny. By our experience here which God designed, some people will go to hell.  God wills it so.  He created them for the purpose of going to hell.  This is the concept that we might call sinister. We don't believe in ex nihilo creation.  We have prophecy that tells us differently.

I pray the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints isn't judged by me and my actions.

Greetings. The topic of this string can easily lead to difficulties. What is a Christian? Latter-day Saints have throughout their roughly 200-year history experienced opposition from Protestant Christians--especially Evangelicals. Infamously, Governor Boggs, of Missouri, ordered that they could be shot and killed without penalty, because he wanted to drive them out of his state (this happened in the 19th century). So, the seemingly innocent, "Are you really Christians?" comes across as aggressive.
LDS will say they are Christians because they believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and because their fruits (godly lives) are positive. One of the common retorts are that the doctrines are different--especially concerning the Trinity and salvation by faith alone. In reality, the doctrines (teachings) are different. My own struggle, as a Pentecostal, is that Oneness Pentecostals (especially the United Pentecostal Church) deny the trinity. Nevertheless, while most Evangelicals consider them to be wrong, they would not deny their Christianity. Of course, some do.
So, in trying to learn about Latter-day Saint beliefs it might be best to simply ask doctrinal questions without debating what a Christian is. This site is a good place to learn a lot. However, another great starting place might be to read The Articles of Faith: 13 Beliefs | Come unto Christ (churchofjesuschrist.org). Those 13 teachings are the foundation of Latter-day Saint belief--so much so that they are considered scripture. 

I'm much the same way, which is in part what led me to this faith.  I'm an adult convert that made a post here one day asking questions.   Now here I am.   Using this logic only, what makes more sense to me?
1.  There is a vengeful God that created man to spend eternity worshipping Him?
2.  There is a premortal family existence in which a loving Father created an opportunity for us to grow, learn, and become like Him for eternity?
 

Ah, gotcha. 
Yeah, Rush addressed only one president after Obama (which would make Rush's total count only 19), but the way the vision reads, there has to be two presidents after Obama (in order to get the 20 found in the vision), and the second of these (Biden) will serve for a shorter time than the first of these (Trump).  Rush didn't need to know who would come after Trump, but just from the vision, it's clear someone would.  Rush missed that altogether (this baffles me to no end - that's how clear it is in the text of II Esdras 11 & 12).

I am familiar with the Ezra's Eagle interpretation you shared.  I like the idea of it and, to an extent, kind of want it to be true, but that's mostly because I see how wicked the world is becoming and I'm pretty much ready for it to be over and for Christ to come back as soon as possible.  I am curious to see if Biden doesn't finish his term and it gives further credence to the continuation of the theory.  That said, I was under the impression that he had abandoned his theory, but it appears that he made another video as recently as 4 weeks ago.  🤔🤷‍♂️
 

I didn't watch any videos, or even go look for any by this particular guy.  Maybe when he realized Trump wasn't the last short feather before the three heads wake up (which was the error in his book), he returned to the theory with Biden...
Ditto.  Would be quite content for the Second Coming to be sooner than later.  (If that does happen, ask me again in the Millennium whether I was nuts to want to go through all that. )
Meanwhile, in happy news, here are two videos about Klaw's Not-Eagles:
 
 

I am familiar with the Ezra's Eagle interpretation you shared.  I like the idea of it and, to an extent, kind of want it to be true, but that's mostly because I see how wicked the world is becoming and I'm pretty much ready for it to be over and for Christ to come back as soon as possible.  I am curious to see if Biden doesn't finish his term and it gives further credence to the continuation of the theory.  That said, I was under the impression that he had abandoned his theory, but it appears that he made another video as recently as 4 weeks ago.  🤔🤷‍♂️
 

This could be a love connection......  😇😉❤️

Among other things, the traditional definition (if that's an accurate description) is wrong.  Hence, the Restoration.  I hope to respond to your other statements later, but I'm heading out the door.
 

Among other things, the traditional definition (if that's an accurate description) is wrong.  Hence, the Restoration.  I hope to respond to your other statements later, but I'm heading out the door.
 

Among other things, the traditional definition (if that's an accurate description) is wrong.  Hence, the Restoration.  I hope to respond to your other statements later, but I'm heading out the door.
 

Just damnation.  Not the same as hell.
 
It isn't hell, but it is damnation.

Just damnation.  Not the same as hell.
 
It isn't hell, but it is damnation.

I think I agree with this guy.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CyjGDRfuiqm/?igshid=MmU2YjMzNjRlOQ==
(Please note that this person's quote is primarily from Harold B. Lee in 1970. He includes President Nelson's photograph, but this is not President Nelson. It's just some guy who goes by "gogogoff0" and who coined a new term that he thinks is fitting. As I wrote above, I think I agree with him.)
    gogogoff0   There is a growing schism (division) within the Church fueled by Social Media Influencers. It is not a left vs. right, nor is it an American vs non-American. It is those who follow the prophet vs those who I've dubbed as Protestant Mormons. They claim to believe *most* doctrines of the Church, but protest against the prophet and seek to set up their "personal authority" that they derive from their own "personal revelation" as an alternative to prophetic teachings.

As I am prepping to write about this, I found this mic drop quote:

"We have some tight places to go before the Lord is through with this church and the world in this dispensation, which is the last dispensation, which shall usher in the coming of the Lord. The gospel was restored to prepare a people ready to receive him. The power of Satan will increase; we see it in evidence on every hand. There will be inroads within the Church. There will be, as President Tanner has said, "Hypocrites, those professing, but secretly are full of dead men's bones." Matt. 23:27 We will see those who profess membership but secretly are plotting and trying to lead people not to follow the leadership that the Lord has set up to preside in this church.

Now the only safety we have as members of this church is to do exactly what the Lord said to the Church in that day when the Church was organized. We must learn to give heed to the words and commandments that the Lord shall give through his prophet, "as he receiveth them, walking in all holiness before me—as if from mine own mouth, in all patience and faith." D&C 21:4-5 There will be some things that take patience and faith. You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may contradict your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life. But if you listen to these things, as if from the mouth of the Lord himself, with patience and faith, the promise is that "the gates of hell shall not prevail against you; yea, and the Lord God will disperse the powers of darkness from before you, and cause the heavens to shake for your good, and his name's glory." D&C 21:6"
Harold B. Lee
Conference, Oct. 1970

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I never intend to run off, I just get sidetracked with life and forget to check in, haha.