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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
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    person0 reacted to Grunt in What happened to MormonGator?   
    No explanation was given so it is hard to say.  My perception of things wasn't a rift of politics as much as it is a rift of faith.  This site strongly supports the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  That doesn't mean that it is forbidden to question or disagree with some things taught, but I would imagine it can get uncomfortable for those with strong opinions who either are not members or those who are inactive members.  Probably more so for inactive members who still profess to be members, because the laws and expectations of Heavenly Father don't change just because you choose to ignore them.
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    person0 got a reaction from dprh in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
    That was my mistake.  I saw that part right after I posted.  I edited my comment for clarification.
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    person0 reacted to NeuroTypical in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
    Perhaps I live in a hole, but other than viewing media, and viewing crap on the internet, I pretty much never see racism.  Can probably count on one hand the times I've seen it personally.
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    person0 reacted to Vort in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
    If I were to openly call out racism every time I saw it, I would be accused of being a racist and lectured on how an accusation of racism can only properly be applied to white people.
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
    Did anyone else notice that President Nelson didn't say that black people the world over are victims of racism?  I tend to believe the brethren are very calculated in their remarks as they seek to navigate a path that will enable the greatest quantity of people to come unto Christ with as few stumbling blocks as possible.  As he spoke of abandoning attitudes and actions of prejudice, what comes to my mind is the prejudice that is being perpetrated via education and indoctrination about "white privilege".  Notice how immediately before speaking about pains of racism, he spoke of the choices and individual agency we each have, and that our devotion to God is what determines His favor.  I see our black brother's and sisters suffering because they are being taught that they are victims and that the white skinned men and women in their society will look down upon them and treat them differently just because of the color of their skin. They are being deceived into supporting movements such as BLM, where the foundational principles are not based in achieving equity of opportunity and treatment, but equity of outcome, via dismantling the USA, families and free market society.  The war against our black brothers and sisters comes from the Amalickiah's of our day.  All who will allow God's voice to take priority over any other voice, will be led to the truth and able to escape both the temptation to act with prejudice as well as the pains brought on by seeing the world through the lens of prejudice.  We thank thee oh God for a prophet!  I am grateful for his words and I sincerely hope and pray that all brethren and sisters in the Church will be guided by the Spirit to read between the lines of the great talks given at this General Conference.
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    person0 reacted to dprh in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
    I don't understand what you're pointing to.  This was quoted under the section "Are you willing to let God prevail in your life?"
    “Let me be clear, brothers and sisters, any discrimination because of race is morally wrong and contrary to God’s plan of happiness for His children. It is also contrary to His very purpose of the gathering.”
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
    I too would love it if we had more of that.  Though, once I get to thinking about the implications, I start to feel that just might make it too 'easy'.  Christ so often taught in such a way that many could be benefited by His words, while some could truly hear.  I sincerely believe that in our ever more divisive climate, "He who hath ears to hear, let him hear, " is the teaching method that will prevail from the brethren.
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
    I too would love it if we had more of that.  Though, once I get to thinking about the implications, I start to feel that just might make it too 'easy'.  Christ so often taught in such a way that many could be benefited by His words, while some could truly hear.  I sincerely believe that in our ever more divisive climate, "He who hath ears to hear, let him hear, " is the teaching method that will prevail from the brethren.
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    person0 reacted to NeedleinA in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
    Thanks for taking the time to read between the lines and share 'pains vs. victims'.
    After I heard that statement by Pres. Nelson, " I grieve that our black brothers and sisters the world over are enduring the pains of racism and prejudice.  Today I call upon our members everywhere to lead out in abandoning attitudes and actions of prejudice. " I honestly got frustrated, started to zone out and didn't want to watch the rest of the session. I'm 100% on board with your perspective @person0 if that was the intended message. I apparently didn't read between the lines and only heard the equivalent of 'victims' of racism. I instantly shifted over to thinking, "Are we as a church now promoting race guilt?". Race guilt is one of the driving forces of BLM attracting non-blacks to their cause. Because of the tensions around, I would appreciate a little less of reading between the lines right now and giving it to us straight.

    Both my wife and I were semi frustrated by some of the safe dancing in the early talks Saturday morning. Almost instantly upon vocally airing our frustration to each other, Elder Oaks then gave his remarks = boom, answer to prayer.
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
    Did anyone else notice that President Nelson didn't say that black people the world over are victims of racism?  I tend to believe the brethren are very calculated in their remarks as they seek to navigate a path that will enable the greatest quantity of people to come unto Christ with as few stumbling blocks as possible.  As he spoke of abandoning attitudes and actions of prejudice, what comes to my mind is the prejudice that is being perpetrated via education and indoctrination about "white privilege".  Notice how immediately before speaking about pains of racism, he spoke of the choices and individual agency we each have, and that our devotion to God is what determines His favor.  I see our black brother's and sisters suffering because they are being taught that they are victims and that the white skinned men and women in their society will look down upon them and treat them differently just because of the color of their skin. They are being deceived into supporting movements such as BLM, where the foundational principles are not based in achieving equity of opportunity and treatment, but equity of outcome, via dismantling the USA, families and free market society.  The war against our black brothers and sisters comes from the Amalickiah's of our day.  All who will allow God's voice to take priority over any other voice, will be led to the truth and able to escape both the temptation to act with prejudice as well as the pains brought on by seeing the world through the lens of prejudice.  We thank thee oh God for a prophet!  I am grateful for his words and I sincerely hope and pray that all brethren and sisters in the Church will be guided by the Spirit to read between the lines of the great talks given at this General Conference.
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    person0 reacted to Carborendum in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
    I may have done a disservice to Pres. Oaks' talk.  I listened to it again and was reminded that there was much more to the talk. The greatest theme was loving our enemies.  But in the backdrop of the political climate today, he made some interesting statements.
    American's don't have to choose "between" their own cultural heritage and the American Heritage.  We can have both.  But it is the understanding that we are united under the Constitution while allowing ourselves all the diversity of culture we may want.
    I'm going to guess that this is most applicable to the far left.  Wanting to defund police and to get rid of the Constitution.  There can be a "black culture" or "latino culture" or "asian culture" as long as it accepts the Constitution as a governing document for civil interaction.
    I'd believe I'm a fairly good example of that.  I'm always talking about Korean stuff.  I'm proudly of Korean heritage.  But I absolutely believe the US Constitution to be divinely inspired.  And the more we stray from it, the closer we get to a dark age.
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    person0 reacted to Traveler in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
    I am not sure I agree, my good friend @Vort.  If the Trump-haters guy looses what we have seen over the last 4 years is only what they have discovered that does not work.  And I am not suggesting that they will try becoming more forgiving and friendly.
     
    The Traveler
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
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    person0 reacted to Vort in Conference October 3-4, 2020   
    I think we have a pretty good idea of what the Trump-haters will do if their guy loses. We have four years of experience with it.
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    person0 reacted to Grunt in Are Latter-day Saints unified?   
    I believe we are kind to each other because we care for each other and share many commonalities.  Whether we are unified depends on what you mean by that.  Look on Facebook at any "progressive mormon" group and you'll see that we are very far apart in many areas of belief.  Some of the discussion I have with Saints boggle my mind.
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    person0 reacted to Grunt in Are Latter-day Saints unified?   
    I agree, to a point.  You can disagree without being disagreeable.  However, some topics pushed to the forefront are just volatile topics.  Additionally, many of our adversaries are pushing their agenda violently.  We've failed to protect our borders, and we now have the adversary attempting to convert our children and weaker members from within.  You even see it on this forum.   I've seen otherwise faithful members of my own small ward striding down the path of progressivism.
    I will never be ashamed to actively correct false doctrine, whether stated or hinted.  I will never be ashamed to actively correct those preaching bad habits and to follow the flesh, or to propose keeping BYU pure..  I will never be ashamed of identifying and inserting myself into conversations intended to sway weaker members or youth.  
    If that means you think I'm part of the problem, I'm willing to entertain you may be correct.  I don't think so, though.  I'm willing to stand in front of my Savior and declare my pure intentions were to save my brothers and sisters and help all endure to the end.  If I am wrong, I'll face his judgment, as will those who turned their backs to their brothers and sisters who were being led away from Him.
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    person0 got a reaction from NightSG in Brigham Young statue vandalized   
    I think they should all stay up, but with an addition; place a placard detailing the positive reasons for why the statue was erected and also the negative or controversial actions or characteristics of the individual.  Regardless, I am okay with cities voting to replace or remove statues, but I'm not okay with vandals tearing them down.
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    person0 got a reaction from Anddenex in Hydroxychloroquine touting doctor says she has been fired after appearing in viral video   
    The website is back up:  https://americasfrontlinedoctorsummit.com
    Interesting quote from the references page:
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    person0 reacted to NeuroTypical in Salt Lake Temple Capstone Opened   
    Sounds like your standard failed High Priest's service project.   (Sorry, I know I'm several years late with this joke, but for the Elders among us with a sense of history, it should still produce a chuckle. )
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    person0 reacted to Emmanuel Goldstein in Stopping COVID   
    That is what they are finding in Sweden. I think it will magically disappear after the election, but only if Biden wins. If Trump wins, which is likely, then it will only get worse and we will see Tens of Billions of death.
     
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    person0 reacted to Grunt in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    I can't speak for anyone else, but I follow the Prophet.  I hope nothing I've posted suggests otherwise.  Even though our Stake said it is requested, not required, that we wear masks to Church, I'd wear one.  My personal thoughts on the topic, while contrary, are irrelevant.
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    person0 reacted to Grunt in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    They like to ignore that.  It kills the "wear a mask even if you don't have the virus" argument.