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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    I think we can all agree that it is wrong when justice is not applied equally.  Despite that, the people who complain about the injustice and the people who lead the cities with high black on black crime and high black death and murder rates all tend to be Democrats and leftists.  It is inconsistent to complain about something while continuing to elect leaders who have consistently failed to take meaningful or beneficial action.
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    I think we can all agree that it is wrong when justice is not applied equally.  Despite that, the people who complain about the injustice and the people who lead the cities with high black on black crime and high black death and murder rates all tend to be Democrats and leftists.  It is inconsistent to complain about something while continuing to elect leaders who have consistently failed to take meaningful or beneficial action.
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    I think we can all agree that it is wrong when justice is not applied equally.  Despite that, the people who complain about the injustice and the people who lead the cities with high black on black crime and high black death and murder rates all tend to be Democrats and leftists.  It is inconsistent to complain about something while continuing to elect leaders who have consistently failed to take meaningful or beneficial action.
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    person0 reacted to NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    The Top 5 Issues Facing Black Americans (7 minutes):
    5. Victim Mentality
    4. Lack of Diversity
    3. Urban Terrorism
    2. Proliferation of Baby Mamas
    1. (watch the video)
     
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    person0 reacted to Traveler in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    I have not watched the video yet ( will later) but I would add one other issue - Politicians that delight in exploiting Blacks and Black suffering for their personal power and gain.  But not to appear too racists - I would add that such politicians will gladly delight in exploiting anyone that believes anything provided by the government is free.
     
    The Traveler
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    person0 reacted to scottyg in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    Then we must all educate them as best we can. Pres Oaks was referring to the slogan/statement "black lives matter". People need to know that the phrase and the BLM movement are two different things. BLM only cares about self-aggrandizement through destruction...they don't give a rat's patootie about actual black lives...or anyone's life for that matter. If they did, they would be protesting the countless black on black deaths we see in Chicago every day.
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    person0 reacted to NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    Embrace BLM? People have lost their freakin minds.
    BLM fights for racial equality by looting small businesses.

    BLM fights for racial equality by stealing TVs.

    BLM fights for racial equality by trashing their own cities.

    BLM & "LDS?" members who support BLM, the movement, can go suck eggs.

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    person0 reacted to NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    I too agree with you 100%. I actually brought up this issue/concern yesterday here:
     
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    person0 reacted to NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    @person0 Minor thought.
    I read the quote you posted multiple times, being frustrated by it each time I read it. Each time, I failed to read it as the following:
    "Things that do not command universal support. Examples":
    - Abolishing the police (do not support)
    - Seriously reducing their (police) effectiveness (do not support)
    - Changing our constitutional government (do no support)
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    person0 got a reaction from Vort in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    @Vort,
    That is the approach I tend to take in understanding these things; however, when placed in context it is so easy to see it from the lens I initially asked about, which is the lens through which 'woke' members seem to look at it.  This leads me to question what I am missing, because, as noted previously, the actual data doesn't warrant the analysis in the context I am inclined to interpret from the text.  If I were on the other side of the argument, I would certainly be pointing to these exact statements as evidence of the reality of those things as I understand them.  As much as I often appreciate the 'he who hath ears to hear' approach.  At what point is it dishonest for an Apostle to speak with words he is intelligent enough to know will be taken to mean something more than what is being said?  Or is it?
    Anyway, I appreciate your analysis; I just wish it were not so easy for a duality of interpretation to take place.  Sadly, I think that duality leads so many, particularly on the 'woke' side, to miss the primary point of healing and overcoming our challenges through a principled focus on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
     
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    person0 got a reaction from Anddenex in The second coming is in March   
    I know for a fact that the second coming will happen sometime within the next 6000 years!

    Anyway, I'm holding all estimations until after the election and the potential societal outcry ensues.  If Trump wins, the Ezra's Eagle people will be watching hardcore to see if he dies or gets assassinated prior to the end of his 2nd term.
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    person0 got a reaction from Vort in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    @Vort,
    That is the approach I tend to take in understanding these things; however, when placed in context it is so easy to see it from the lens I initially asked about, which is the lens through which 'woke' members seem to look at it.  This leads me to question what I am missing, because, as noted previously, the actual data doesn't warrant the analysis in the context I am inclined to interpret from the text.  If I were on the other side of the argument, I would certainly be pointing to these exact statements as evidence of the reality of those things as I understand them.  As much as I often appreciate the 'he who hath ears to hear' approach.  At what point is it dishonest for an Apostle to speak with words he is intelligent enough to know will be taken to mean something more than what is being said?  Or is it?
    Anyway, I appreciate your analysis; I just wish it were not so easy for a duality of interpretation to take place.  Sadly, I think that duality leads so many, particularly on the 'woke' side, to miss the primary point of healing and overcoming our challenges through a principled focus on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
     
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/president-oaks-byu-devotional-october-2020-talk#_ftn15
    I don't think there is much of a way to read between the lines on this one, and I'm really struggling to understand what is going on.  In President Oaks speech today, there are a few quotes that bother me.
    How are those things appropriate subjects for advocacy?  I can only assume he is meaning this from the perspective of the First Amendment; otherwise, it is a sincerely concerning statement.
    He later quotes President Nelson who in June, responding to the George Floyd incident said:
    Apparently I missed that statement back in June.  Regardless, where are the Brethren coming up with confirmation that George Floyd's death, in addition to police brutality, was for sure an incident of racism?
    The final concerning quote is this:
    So this quote makes it sound like police brutality is a specifically racist problem and then goes on to make it sound as though systemic racism is a real thing.  These statements aren't given any real qualification and so I am left bewildered as to if the Brethren have received some sort of spiritual confirmation that things like systemic racism and racially targeted police brutality against black Americans is a real issue affecting our country, or if this is simply an opinion that may or may not be accurate, or if it is a misspoken outreach to the snowflakes.
    In the rest of the talk he condemns many leftist ideals, upholds the Constitution, and calls out the anxiety and fear driven nature of the snowflake generation.
    Anyway, I'm confused.  Any thoughts or ideas to help?
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    person0 reacted to Vort in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    President Oaks is a lawyer, and many of his pronouncements are best understood through that lens. In saying what he did, President Oaks was not promoting those positions as worthy. He was merely stating that such subjects were (as he said) appropriate for addressing in a manner of advocacy. Other examples of advocacy-appropriate topics might include universal basic income, nationalized health care, and shale oil production. You don't have to be for or against any of those topics to recognize that they are "appropriate subjects for advocacy."
    Please note that no Apostle has made a public statement affirming that George Floyd was killed for reasons of race. (Unless one slipped by me, which I'm quite sure didn't happen, or we all would have heard about it incessantly.) They kept things rather generic—"recent events of racism"—without naming anything specific. This may seem to play into the Social Justice Warrior theme of "black people are all persecuted", but viewed as pure statements of observation and sage advice, I think they hold up fine. Things usually need to be understood in context, but sometimes that context can provide unwarranted and perhaps even unintended subtexts. I think that's what's going on here.
    Same analysis as above. I would add that so-called systemic racism is almost certainly a real thing. The two important questions are: To what degree? Ang against whom? I would suggest that the answer to the first question is, "Not to as great a degree as the SJWs scream," and to the second question, "Historically against minorities, especially blacks, but in the last decade or so consciously targeted specifically toward white people—and not merely culturally, but openly taught in universities and even attempted to be encoded into law."
    I guess I must be officially becoming An Old Guy, because I find that pretty funny,.
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    person0 reacted to Grunt in Question on "Faith Crisis"   
    See, I think this is an issue that those who challenge faith run into and I have difficulty understanding why.   We assume because it isn't a talk given every conference that the "Church" hasn't adopted it.  Elder Bednar addressed that very point this last General Conference in his talk.  President Ezra Taft Benson very directly counseled us "The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer."   He didn't say "choose what we follow" or "wait until everyone in the Church gives talks on something before following it."

     
    I'm ecstatic to have anyone worship with me.  The Lord's house is open to all.  I've shared a pew (well, row since our tiny ward still racks chairs after every Sacrament and sets them up the next week) with drunks, atheists, Buddhists, and many other people that don't believe what I believe.  I'm not sure why someone would think that I would feel differently.  

    That said, you have to be equally comfortable with the knowledge that if you utter things that run counter to what the Lord has revealed to us through His Prophets and Apostles, I'm going to call that out and cite the people He has chosen to speak through.  
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    person0 reacted to Grunt in Question on "Faith Crisis"   
    -Elder Bruce R. McConkie
     
     
     
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    person0 reacted to Vort in The second coming is in March   
    It's hidden in plain sight in the Doctrine and Covenants, for those who know where to look. Section 1 contains the letter "m". Section 2 contains the letter "a". Section 3 contains the letter "r".
    But I've said too much already.
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    person0 reacted to Just_A_Guy in The second coming is in March   
    I frankly don’t believe that the scriptures were written with the level of deliberation/precision/stylistic consistency/linguistic consistency/narrative “tightness”, that would justify the sort of hyper-literalistic and hyper-legalistic approach that underlies the timelines most folks propose.
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    person0 reacted to NeedleinA in The second coming is in March   
    I know people in my own ward that fall into this camp with bated breath.
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    person0 reacted to Grunt in The second coming is in March   
    I'm just trying to make it through today, my friend.  Just trying to make it through today.
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    person0 reacted to Anddenex in The second coming is in March   
    I am not familiar with this guy, but from my mission and since I have been home I have run into a couple of people who follow this line of thinking. That the scriptures reveal the time and date for Christ to come.

    I would still have to go though with Christ's words, the author and finisher of our faith. We have signs for sure that will give us when, if we are prepared (i.e. I only care about the two prophets in Jerusalem -- I will start my repentance then for three days and two/three nights ), the day really doesn't matter. We will be ready.
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    person0 got a reaction from Anddenex in HINDSIGHT: A Story of Faith and Family   
    Some members of this forum already know that between January 2015 - July 2019, my wife and I fostered and eventually came to adopt seven children.  My amazing wife, in addition to the never ending task of being a mother of seven, made time to dedicate herself to writing a book in order to share her side of our story with the world.  I am eternally grateful and proud of my awe-inspiring wife.  I love her and my children with all my heart.  Our story is nothing short of miraculous and we will ever be grateful for the trials and blessings God has placed in our path.

    Here is a link to the book, and a picture of my amazing family.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KZ23NKM

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    person0 reacted to Grunt in Sacrament Talk   
    That's why I'm amazed I was allowed to choose my own topic.  I am continuously drawn to two talks, both 40 years old.   I've tried to write on other things, but my heart keeps going back to those two talks.
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    person0 got a reaction from Anddenex in Sacrament Talk   
    Since the onset of COVID, I have developed a new technique that I am hoping may help me avoid future callings: being super opinionated on social media and calling people out for disregarding the teachings of the prophets.  😀
    Honestly, one of my favorite things that I heard Hugh Nibley do for one of his talks was he just put his voice to the words of Brigham Young:
    https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/hugh-nibley/exaltation-eternal-life-words-brigham-young/
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    person0 reacted to Grunt in Sacrament Talk   
    It's 2020.  The year of odd occurrences.  If this wasn't a sign the second coming was on it's way, then nothing is.