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    seashmore reacted to Jane_Doe in Eternal Marriage   
    If a couple wants to divorce, they can do that.  No one is going to stop them.
    Now whether or not divorcing is the right move- that's a different story.  Divorce is always a tragedy, but sometimes it tragedies do happen (such as abuse, adultery, addiction).  Clearly we strive our hardest with Christ to avoid such tragedies.  Things such a loving understanding, marriage counseling, patience, etc are great helps.
    Note: while LDS do believe in sealings for eternity (between spouses and parent-child bonds), these are Celestial things and for the Celestial Kingdom- a place devoid of sin, devoid of understanding, where we'll each be our perfected self.  So many of the issues that bog us down here (like speaking unkindly to each other) will be washed away.
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    seashmore reacted to Sunday21 in Conversion for belonging rather than due to faith   
    Trust me..we have them! But it is tougher in small wards! Anyway, one thing I love about Catholic services is that you can always find them and they are conveniently scheduled. I have catholic friends and when we are travelling we always attend the catholic not lds services for these reasons plus catholic services are shorter!
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    seashmore reacted to Blueskye2 in Conversion for belonging rather than due to faith   
    I know two who are not LDS who participate actively in the LDS Church. Both do so because their spouses are LDS. Likewise for Catholics, people participate and sometimes people assume they are Catholic and shocked to find out they are not.
    I would caution however, if your intent is to find a good Mormon to marry, such a prospect is going to come with an expectation of a Mormon temple marriage. "Hanging out" without full participation, a Mormon testimony and true belief, will not be attractive to a Mormon woman who is looking for an eternal companion. 
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    seashmore reacted to estradling75 in Conversion for belonging rather than due to faith   
    I think Joseph Smith once said... "If you will not accept our Doctrine... then accept our Hospitality."
    By all means accept our Hospitality.
    Joining us might mean something different to you then it does to us.  To us it means being baptized and saying that you believe.  We in no way want you to lie so don't do that if you aren't truthful about it.  If to you it means showing up on Sunday and sitting through the service and classes and joining in the service projects and social events then by all means "join" you are very much welcome to do so.
     
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    seashmore reacted to Just_A_Guy in Conversion for belonging rather than due to faith   
    Welcome, ser?anto.
    I think no one would have any problem at all with you coming to services and participating in your local LDS community!
    But as far as "converting" or "joining"--that, in LDS teaching, entails certain covenant obligations between you, the community, and (what we believe to be) God.  I don't think you making a profession or covenant of faith that you really don't hold, would be healthy in the long term either for yourself or for your fellow Mormons who would be expecting things of you that you weren't prepared to give.  Why say something you don't believe, when your local congregation will (or should be) perfectly willing to associate with you as you are?
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    seashmore reacted to Sunday21 in How To Be Anti-Anything   
    A lot of people think that a list of complaints is a conversation! 
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    seashmore reacted to my two cents in How do I find General Conference music from 2000-2007?   
    Go to this link https://www.lds.org/ensign/2000?lang=eng and scroll down to other issues and click on the year you're interested in and the May/November editions then look at the conference summary where the music is listed.  Below is the one for May 2007.
    https://www.lds.org/ensign/2007/05/conference-summary-for-the-177th-annual-general-conference?lang=eng
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    seashmore got a reaction from Sunday21 in Ways to show compassion   
    At my part time job today, I repeatedly thought to myself, "I am tired of people taking their bad day out on me." (The past couple of weeks, some of my coworkers at my FT job have been doing this.) I mentioned to a friend/coworker that the person I would be working with for the day was kinda grouchy, and my friend kept doing little, specific things to be nice. Nothing in particular stands out, but she seemed to be making an intentional effort to balance things out for me.
    There was a man who moved from my branch before I moved in, and leaving behind a massive toy car/truck collection, all still in original packaging. For three years running, all the Primary kids who like playing with cars get one from Santa at the Christmas party. And there's still plenty for next year.
    There was a young, extroverted couple with a three year old and an 18 month old who moved here for a job. Mr. ended up finding a better opportunity about five hours away, and they even found a house rather quickly. However, closing dates were set for about six weeks after his first day on the job, so the couple decided to put him up in a hotel for the time being. Every day, I drove past their house before crossing the railroad tracks on my way home from work. One day, there was an incredibly slow moving train, and I thought if I sped up, I could beat it to one of the crossings. As I passed their house, I saw Mrs. and the kids out on a walk and I'm surprised I didn't squeal my tires when I slammed the brakes so I could park on the street and join them. As we walked to the park, she expressed how grateful she was for some adult companionship after a long day. I shrugged and said, "I'd have to wait for that train, anyway."  She was who I called when I found out my grandma died and all I needed was a hug.
    Big things: my best friend's best friend did the labor to replace an entire engine in my car, and his wife let him give up two whole Saturdays to do it. (One to take it out, one to put it in.) I obviously paid for parts and what labor I could, but it was still an incredibly generous thing of them to do.
    "My roof's safe shelter overhead"
    When my sister eloped, I was left with an extra bedroom. Because of a promotion I was offered three days later, my monthly income increased by half the rent. Recognizing it as a gift from above, I decided I could/should be generous and hosted a number of people over the course of a year or so. Some were able to pay, some weren't. It eventually landed me with an old friend who had moved away from the area and the church. She called and asked if I knew of anyone looking for a roommate, or if I knew who might know who was looking. I laughed and said, "Actually, I'm both." Like a few others, she didn't necessarily plan on staying long term, and I knew she was in a tighter financial space than I was, so I set the price at a little less than half. Three years later, we're still roommates, but I've lost my job and she's getting a promotion that comes with a transfer 90 miles away. She asks if I want to move with her. I agree, she finds a beautiful place whose renovations were slated to be done a week before she would be starting at her new location. She set my price at much less than half.
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    seashmore got a reaction from Sunday21 in Ways to show compassion   
    That is actually awesome! He pays attention to what you order, and remembers it. That is a skill that will serve him well, especially if he works in food service at any point in his life. (Regular customers appreciate this.) 
    My uncle collects wheat pennies, and one of the gas station attendants will save them for him. Every once in a while, he'll get her a scratch off ticket as a token of his gratitude. 
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    seashmore got a reaction from Sunday21 in Ways to show compassion   
    At my part time job today, I repeatedly thought to myself, "I am tired of people taking their bad day out on me." (The past couple of weeks, some of my coworkers at my FT job have been doing this.) I mentioned to a friend/coworker that the person I would be working with for the day was kinda grouchy, and my friend kept doing little, specific things to be nice. Nothing in particular stands out, but she seemed to be making an intentional effort to balance things out for me.
    There was a man who moved from my branch before I moved in, and leaving behind a massive toy car/truck collection, all still in original packaging. For three years running, all the Primary kids who like playing with cars get one from Santa at the Christmas party. And there's still plenty for next year.
    There was a young, extroverted couple with a three year old and an 18 month old who moved here for a job. Mr. ended up finding a better opportunity about five hours away, and they even found a house rather quickly. However, closing dates were set for about six weeks after his first day on the job, so the couple decided to put him up in a hotel for the time being. Every day, I drove past their house before crossing the railroad tracks on my way home from work. One day, there was an incredibly slow moving train, and I thought if I sped up, I could beat it to one of the crossings. As I passed their house, I saw Mrs. and the kids out on a walk and I'm surprised I didn't squeal my tires when I slammed the brakes so I could park on the street and join them. As we walked to the park, she expressed how grateful she was for some adult companionship after a long day. I shrugged and said, "I'd have to wait for that train, anyway."  She was who I called when I found out my grandma died and all I needed was a hug.
    Big things: my best friend's best friend did the labor to replace an entire engine in my car, and his wife let him give up two whole Saturdays to do it. (One to take it out, one to put it in.) I obviously paid for parts and what labor I could, but it was still an incredibly generous thing of them to do.
    "My roof's safe shelter overhead"
    When my sister eloped, I was left with an extra bedroom. Because of a promotion I was offered three days later, my monthly income increased by half the rent. Recognizing it as a gift from above, I decided I could/should be generous and hosted a number of people over the course of a year or so. Some were able to pay, some weren't. It eventually landed me with an old friend who had moved away from the area and the church. She called and asked if I knew of anyone looking for a roommate, or if I knew who might know who was looking. I laughed and said, "Actually, I'm both." Like a few others, she didn't necessarily plan on staying long term, and I knew she was in a tighter financial space than I was, so I set the price at a little less than half. Three years later, we're still roommates, but I've lost my job and she's getting a promotion that comes with a transfer 90 miles away. She asks if I want to move with her. I agree, she finds a beautiful place whose renovations were slated to be done a week before she would be starting at her new location. She set my price at much less than half.
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    seashmore got a reaction from Sunday21 in Things I have tried that worked   
    In college, we had some folks who loved to use Sharpies to write and draw inappropriate things on the whiteboards on people's doors. Going over their work with a dry erase marker worked like a charm. 
    I've removed Sharpie from a poly cotton blend uniform shirt by dabbing hand sanitizer gel with a cotton ball. 
    I also make my own static guard with a little bit of fabric softener and a lot of water in a spray bottle. I spray it on blankets and carpets in addition to clothes. (I have to discharge myself on a regular basis in the winter.)
    When conducting opening exercises, put announcements in chronological order. Most newspapers list Time, Date, and Place (TDP) in that order for events, so it's something people are unconsciously used to.
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    seashmore reacted to my two cents in Should I be paying tithing on the equity from my home?   
    I wondered the same thing when I was selling a home so I asked my bishop about paying tithing and he said no but one thing you could do is make a sizable donation to the church humanitarian fund.
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    seashmore reacted to anatess2 in Ways to show compassion   
    Okay, this may not sound like showing compassion but it's still in that realm of service that I appreciate being done for me:
    You know what really tops my cake is when we would go to Subway and I could just go and scope out a table while my youngest kid order my food for me.  He knows exactly how I want my sub - how much lettuce I like, how much tomato I like, how much vinegar and salt... he gives very detailed instructions and watches the process like a hawk so that my sub comes to me EXACTLY how I like it.  This is not something I taught him to do.  This is just something he learned on his own after noticing that I order the exact same thing every time we go to Subway.
     
    As far as compassion and such that I wish for.  I just wish that someone understand me.  I can't name a single person who truly understands me.  Not my mother, not my husband.  My mother thinks I'm this person... she makes the conclusion because of things I do.  It would be great if she can understand WHY I do these things because who she thinks I am is not who I know I am.  My husband tries to understand me but he just can't get it so he would just say - I support you even if I don't get it.  My oldest son understands me better than my husband does.  Hah hah.
     
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    seashmore reacted to hzdbl5 in Ordinances for the Dead...excommunication   
    Prior to my mission I was invited to participate in proxy ordinances for individuals who had died after having been excommunicated.  We were baptized as a proxy like you would be for any deceased individual.  I don't recall any differences in the wording of the ordinance.  As part of the confirmation ordinance, priesthood ordination and temple blessings were restored.  Based on the wording of that ordinance I assume no other proxy work would be required for the individual.  I don't know what was done to prepare the names for the ordinances as I was not involved in that part of the process.  We were required to have already been endowed in order to stand as proxy due to the restoration of temple blessings.  So to the original question, yes, there is an ordinance for the restoration of blessings for one who passes away following excommunication.
     
    Fun aside:  This all occurred in the Salt Lake Temple.  Following the ordinances we were sitting waiting for something or someone when then-Elder Monson walked in, greeted us and chatted for a few moments about the importance of the work we'd just done.
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    seashmore reacted to Rob Osborn in Ordinances for the Dead...excommunication   
    Unless you are a son of perdition there is always a way to repent and get back on track.
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    seashmore reacted to Vort in Things I have tried that worked   
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    seashmore reacted to anatess2 in Things I have tried that worked   
    That's one cool thing about Church - between primary and fast and testimony Sunday, prayer, etc, kids have tons of opportunity to speak in public.
    I have kids who can extemporaneously talk and talk and talk nonstop in public.  If you bring up space science, politics, and music, they'll talk your ears off.
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    seashmore reacted to Sunday21 in Sealing Children Born Out of Wedlock   
    I am the direct descendent of many pairs of abusive people  so...I just had everyone sealed to their spouses and I trust God to sort things out.
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    seashmore reacted to Sunday21 in Sealings   
    They can arrange for you to sit in a chair if you ask. The floor partitions can be taken out to accommodate a chair. 
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    seashmore got a reaction from Sunday21 in Sealings   
    And be careful if you're pregnant! (Kneeling for a long time can make you faint/pass out.)
     
    I LOVE doing sealings! When I lived closer to a temple (and went more often), I learned to learn from the different sealers. Every once in a while, they'll share some insight, either about the ordinance or the particular temple you're in. 
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    seashmore got a reaction from Sunday21 in Sealings   
    And be careful if you're pregnant! (Kneeling for a long time can make you faint/pass out.)
     
    I LOVE doing sealings! When I lived closer to a temple (and went more often), I learned to learn from the different sealers. Every once in a while, they'll share some insight, either about the ordinance or the particular temple you're in. 
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    seashmore reacted to Anddenex in "Succession" with presidency counselors - doctrine or policy or tradition?   
    Not doctrine, as callings are to be made by the Spirit, and any one worthy may fill a position. Here are words that may assist, Elder Packer, "It is not in the proper spirit for us to decide where we will serve or where we will not. We serve where we are called. It does not matter what the calling may be.
    I was present at a solemn assembly when David O. McKay was sustained as President of the Church. President J. Reuben Clark Jr., who had served as First Counselor to two Presidents, was then sustained as Second Counselor to President McKay. Sensitive to the possibility that some might think that he had been demoted, President Clark said: “In the service of the Lord, it is not where you serve but how. In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, one takes the place to which one is duly called, which place one neither seeks nor declines.”
    EDIT: The only two callings and sustaining, modern day, that appear to be a matter of succession (senior apostle, or second senior apostle) is the prophet and the President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.
     
     
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    seashmore reacted to jerrop in "Succession" with presidency counselors - doctrine or policy or tradition?   
    ("Succession" is really not the right word, but my vocabulary fails me sometimes...)
    When I was in Elders Quorum, I had two first counselors move away (on two separate occasions, of course). Both times, my second counselor was released and then made first counselor, with the new counselor called as second counselor. The first time, the old second counselor, a wonderful man fairly young in the church, felt honored and expressed his surprise. I hadn't thought much of it initially; I had no specific role for one vs the other.
    The high councilor said something about "an order of things" in relation to this. I've been thinking since about it and trying to pay more attention to changes in certain callings.
    I've seen this occur in the First Presidency (I believe it's a fairly formalized standard there), Stake Presidency, Elders Quorum, Aaronic Priesthood. I've seen too many changes to bishoprics to keep them straight. Don't know about Relief Society, Primary, or Sunday School. It did not happen in my Young Men Presidency, but I expect that was because we wanted specific people working with specific quorums. I suspect Young Women Presidencies are the same.
    So the question in my mind is whether this is a doctrine or policy, or if it's just tradition? I can't find a clear scriptural reference, nor have I found anything in either handbook. It doesn't bother me either way, and doesn't have any particular bearing on my testimony, I just find myself interested in administrative matters in the church.
    Does anyone more knowledgeable about this have an answer?
    If there's an answer to this somewhere ellse, please point me there.
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    seashmore reacted to paracaidista508 in "Vaping?"   
    No worse than  ramming twinkies down ur throat, guzzling 64 Oz of doctor pepper and hitting the dessert table at the ward dinner for the third time. All violations by being excessive, but unless it's actually smoke, chew, beer, wine, coffee, tea doesn't seem like a violation to me.
    My understanding is that it isn't tobacco, just nicotine. I look at it just like the whole coffee/caffeine scenario. Coffee is outlawed, not caffeine. Hence all the monster drink guzzling people in my ward. Vaping does have the appearance of evil so yeah it will be shunned. Eating in excess should also be shunned as it is a clear violation of the wow, but it is a widely accepted part of our culture so we just do it anyway.
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    seashmore reacted to JohnsonJones in "Vaping?"   
    It's not smoking, it's inhaling vapors.  Ironically, originally, it was created to help people stop smoking.  It would give them the nicotine kick, but without the other chemicals in the cigarette (though ironically as well, some of the vapor inserts also had chemicals which had an unknown effect).
    It's seen as cleaner and safer than smoking by the younger crowd.  It is NOT smoking anymore than inhaling steam from a boiling pot of water is smoking.  Just like that pot of smoking water, you can add flavors, scents, etc that combine with the steam to give them interesting scents/tastes.
    You have some that have tobacco extracts these days, but as I said, the original idea, ironically, was to help people utilize it as a way to stop smoking.
    It works, I think, by having a small heating element inside it.  This element in turn heats up the liquid into a steam (or vapor form, if you want) which the user can then inhale.
    It's at an odd crossroads in regards to the Word of Wisdom.  One could say one should not present the appearance of evil, but more likely, people utilize the idea that is also used in regards to drug use in regards to vaping.
    Personally, something does feel off, as it seems to use the same culture that cigarettes used to have, but at the same time, it also can feel like a way that people are using to try to skirt around the boundaries of the Word of Wisdom.  So far, without any official words from Salt Lake, I think the opinions on it may vary from church leader to church leader.
    Once again, it was originally a way for people to stop smoking and thus was seen as sort of a medicine or balm to help them.  That makes this a very tricky thing to really decide on how it fits in.