brotherofJared
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There is a great deal of difference in preparing one's self and being prepared for things you don't even know would be in store for you. Think Liberty Jail.
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That's pretty vague. I'm not sure how you're applying that to the purposes that were served by polygamy.
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I don't know where I heard this, but the principles of the United Order seem to change over time. They change to meet the capacity of the Saints. God will never give us a commandment that we cannot follow and right now, having everything in common is not something we can live. However, we can live the principles of the United Order. Now if you are referring to those who can't accept King Benjamin's description of the United Order, then yes, There are a lot of people who aren't prepared. Note, we are not "required" to live it, but we should be prepared to live it, namely in that all things that the Lord has given us are the Lord's and we only have stewardship over it, not ownership. That is the problem that left the saints condemned in Kirkland. Everyone believes they have a right to make a profit, but in the circumstances of those early days and in the circumstances today, that profit should not be packed with greed. Land speculation was only one problem. There were many, but basically it was a situation where those who had took advantage of those who had not. That is not united.
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Doctrine and Covenants 10:52
brotherofJared replied to askandanswer's topic in LDS Gospel Discussion
Well, God revealed, very early on, the sacred nature of marriage in that it should be permanent and then amended it because we weren't ready for it. I think any truth we get, we're ready for it. Sometimes, it only to an individual. Sometimes to the church. Sometimes to the world. When the truth that Christ lives is presented to the world in unquestionable fashion, a great many will not be ready for it but a lot of us will be. The portion of the gospel that was discussed in the OP is simply referring to the Book of Mormon's portion added to the Bible. I do not believe everyone was ready for that, but certainly, there were some. We receive light and truth as soon as we are able to. Whether or not the rest of the church is able to receive it is another question. My experience is that we can share what we've learned in small and intimate groups, but trying to force the church or disagree with leaders before it has been revealed to the body is a bad course of action. The Scout leader that sued the church over a black patrol leader not being allowed to hold that position only got him excommunicated and then about a year or two later, the church changed its policy. (I don't want to make this about race and the priesthood, but; I think that one was delayed as well because we weren't ready to receive it.) -
But I also agree that assigning ministers is not done very well. Those who do the assignments are not being smart. On day one, I was assigned 20 families. 3 months later, I was assigned 5 and none of them were on my first list. Now it changes without notice and I have only had one interview. It probably doesn't help that my presidency has been turned over 6 times since that change.
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Well, IMO, polygamy worked exactly as expected and was a huge success. I'm glad the live practice of it has ended. I do not believe it will need to be reinstated. Now, about a 100 years later, the pendulum has swung the other direction with wives committing there husbands not to marry again. That is unbelievably selfish. Especially with the constant nagging about it when neither spouse is anywhere near death.
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No. Joseph had no problem with it. His reluctance had nothing to do with him not being ready. His reluctance was in his uncertainly of how others would receive it, the most significant of these was Emma who I am certain knew it was coming and made life a living hell for Joseph when he first employed it with Fanny Alger.
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Every mortal is born to die and death came through Adam. The ability to make choices means the ability to sin. We really dont need satan to encourage it. Therefore, every mortal born into the family of Adam needs the atonement. Christ's father was not Adam.
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I don't think it is speculation that Joseph Smith and the Bible both teach that Jesus did what he saw his father do. Therefore, God the Father also atoned for sins.
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No contradiction that I can see. Christ's atonement will not save those who come forth on the new earth and can hardly be atonement for those who his father died for.
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Yep. Interesting how they determined the date...
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Doctrine and Covenants 10:52
brotherofJared replied to askandanswer's topic in LDS Gospel Discussion
Ur missing the Bible part. Their prayers would be the prayers of the writers. Enos for example. This part is the book of Mormon. The other part is the Bible. There are still more parts to be revealed when we are prepared or it is needful that we should have them. -
That being said, we still need assignments to avoid chaos. There is a reporting structure with assignments.
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I agree. Authorized to administer the sacrament must be done in the Lord's way or it is just bread and water. But ministering to anyone in need is a no brainer.
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Nothing is stopping u from ministering to anyone u want to. The reason for assignments is to reach those who have no friends in the church. Assignments work.
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DId your autocorrect mess that up? Is that Museum or Muslim?
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The events of Genesis are this earth even is Eden is not here. God wasn't creating Eden. He was creating this earth.
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Because we aren't lost anymore. "were" is past tense. At the time that was written, the coming of Christ was prophecied and looked forward too, but now that event has occurred and the opportunity now made available is NOT a return to the garden but to a life that is so much better, even so great that it is possible that we can have children and they can enter that garden and become like us, just like we have been made partakers of the glory of God. That glory did not exist for Adam and Eve in the garden.
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That's the point. No one stayed here, not even God.
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Who said anything about staying here?
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Well for one we don't think Heaven is a Million Miles Away. And for another, life is not ONLY disease and destruction. I don't know about you but I have no disease at the moment and I am not in the midst of Destruction and I not yet dead. For me life is about life and about health and about opportunity. I've tried to explain to you several times. We are far better off where we are now than we would be if we had stayed in the garden. The garden was a dead end. The opportunity that life now presents us has unending possibilities including living in the same place that God lives. Adam and Eve did not live where God lived.
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Adam and Eve were already separated from the father. God only came to visit him on occasion. The garden was not heaven.
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Not that either. Deception, yes. Force, no.
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And u did it again. 🤔
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Wow. Ur doing it again. Please put ur responses to the post u r responding to. It really helps the discussion. Doing it this way is so confusing.
