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it really doesn't matter

many people would not want me to be insulted falsely either

and by the same turn he has insulted me, not knowing me, so there you go

Ok, I take that back. Sorry

I just want to express my appreciation, especially to taking a mature, respectful approach to these topics and am sorry if anything I have posted came across in a negative way. I don't feel I need to continually keep apologizing over & over again for it, as I already have numerous times. But, I will say again, that I do not understand everything, but I do know that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is true. Mr Folk Prophet , I am sorry if I offended you. I really have know idea anything about you, other then that you are LDS and married, I apologize to you. I really don't understand why so many on this thread like to be so blunt, but I really do appreciate the few that have been really kind and compassionate and what I feel a Christ-like connection with. I know I have made some mistakes. I know people don't usually see a need to change there ways and I can be stubborn too, but I want you all to know that I have always been and am an active LDS member and am a very serious member, I mean, you know how some members go see movies that shouldn't be seen, and tv that shoudn't be seen, and do things on Sunday, the list goes on, I am not saying I'm better than anyone, but just to give you an idea of who I am, I have never b een that way, my spouse is not that way, and our kids are not that way. We have 4 kids, 2 with special needs, 1 very severe. He is 17 and like a toddler mentally. He has high energy and is everywhere, like you wouldn't believe. The other is high functioning autistic, doing a service mission. He is our oldest. Born with a rare congenital heart condition and has a feeding tube and 11 food allergies. So, I'm sorry if I come across hard sometimes. Life isn't easy, but its ok. Maybe if we all get to know each other better, we can be kinder and judge less. Peace brothers and sisters.

You are saying things about me that are not true, how will you answer to God in the last day to that? You really don't know where I am coming from. Sharing my thoughts doesn't mean you need to jump to conclusions about it. I am sorry if you jump to assumptions, but that is you, not me. Perhaps I should have been more careful with my words, but I do have a right to my feelings.

Ok, but protection, is one thing. What about forcing her to have sex with him? Protection and marriage are 2 seperate things. And raise up seed to the dead husband if she doesn't want to have sex with him? What about that? Why would Christ say she has to raise up seed to her dead husband through his brother. For instance, I have a brother in law who is a disgusting human being. I would never live such a law, ok? I mean I can understand they had this dumb rule back then that woman just couldn't walk around on there own and not be raped or whatever, stupid, which I think is totally wrong, but the idea that if her 1st husband had no kid that she had to have sex with his brother to keep the family name going is just wrong. Who cares if the family name doesn't continue, if she isn't comfortable with having sex with her husband;s brother. For heaven's sake, can't a man control himself where she can be "protected" without having to be married to him? I mean, fathers and brothers live in houses with daughers and sisters without doing anything inappropriate, don't they? Of course, sometimes their are disgusting examples where men do go against God's laws and think , say and do things they shouldn't, but for heaven's sake, I'm sure some women , at least in their hearts, weren't comfortable with the idea. I'm sure not all the men, though some of course were stellar examples of doing their duty, were not all the cream of the crop, and do you know if any of these women were allowed protection without having to do anything they weren't uncomfortable with, because back in the day, I doubt anyone cared what they thought and made a law to take that into consideration

to raise up seed to the dead husband?

Can you back up with a valid source that women didn't have to suffer a consequence for not going through with a marriage, can you back up that they didn't have to be given to their dead husband's brother, as Christ taught?

I really don't think you , Vort need to say I have no idea about what I say, Obviously I know something, alot more than you realize about what I say. And to everyone, I apologize if I have written anything that may have been or appeared offensive, that was not what I was trying to do. I hope you are also not trying to come across that way, as well. We should all strive to be kinder to each other.

at least I have apologized

but I definitely am not that kind of a person and that kind of name calling does not need to be tolerated. That is way out of line

I doubt Christ would give the example He did if they had such rights

Sorry, but I have always been taught that they had no choice in the matter. And I really have no source that says otherwise. There is a long known history of women being oppressed and it still happens that women have freedoms restricted today, like some women cannot drive, cannot go out of their house in other coutries without their husband, so anyways, yes, I do not know everything about it, but I do know that a woman often has no choice in what she is expected to do and that there are negative consequences or punishments if she chooses to not choose certain things. Perhaps I should look more into Levirate marriage, but I doubt they had many rights back then. It seems women didn't have the kinds of freedoms they have today.

Just kidding. Like I mentioned before, I did not intend to go off like that.

Thank you

Sorry, some of it got out of hand, I really didn't intend for that. Thank you for your comments. oh, ok, I'm sure there are many similiar interesting accounts. T

Sorry, some of it got out of hand, I really didn't intend for that. Thank you for your comments.

I doubt that

Thanks,

You all should be ashamed of yourselves

I am not obsessed with the sex, it is wrong for you all to say so. Heber C. Kimball was commanded to take a 2nd wife and the Prophet Joseph told him he could not tell his wife, Vilate. Heber wanted Vilate to know and prayed for her to know and she received a vision to know. She was shown a vision where she was shown. This account was given in The Work and The Glory Series by Gerald Lund. I really think you all shouldn't be so quick to judge. You all really don't live your religion.

take your stuff somewhere else

I am no where near a socio path and narcissist, but maybe you are for thinking it. . Perhaps you should keep such uncharitable satanic thoughts to yourself