Jimmy Tucker

Thank you that helped me understand somewhat better

Understood... Every other religion would answer the same way though..

Ok you believe. And as you stated other churches believe the same.. But there is only 1 truth.. So what makes you believe it's LDS

What verse of Psalms is that? ? I respect your loyalty and passion and service I truly mean that.

So apostasy basically

Well you maybe correct.. That's why I posted this.. The last sentence of my post said... Can someone help me see this from a different view... so I'm soliciting advice because my view is perhaps defecient like you said However youre not making sense either.. Who in their right mind would choose to stop breathing? This is your analogy? And yet it is exactly the same concept I brought up... You can choose to breathe or not to.. But when one choice results in death it's not really a true choice is it. thank you for making my point.

Well seemingly. I'm not saying the choice isn't there but if one choice leads to everlasting whatever... Darkness or misery or destruction or being cutoff from your loved ones eternally can it really be categorized as a true choice?

Actualjy I meant someone who had heard the good news and just decided it wasn't their cup of tea but still lived as a good person

What did king David do to lead us to believe that? Are you referring to when he sent out the husband of the woman he was having an affair with into war to be killed?

Are you saying if someone is baptized by another church it is invalid? Only the LDS have the authority to perform a righteous dunking?

Sorry to pop your bubble but he definitely is not.

Higher levels of heaven?? Are you saying there's different tiers? Like time Warner cable offers? Can i get to the tier that has the NFL package?

Haha for sure.. Man i have made some dumb decisions ... I guess we all have.. We must be somewhat logical though or God wouldn't leave the choice up to us would he?

I'm not sure if I'm getting all the messages this forum is very confusing.. So forgive me if i don't respond I'm trying to answer all of them

Ok well again if i don't feel "I" could than obviously i don't feel anyone could.. Gods commandments are for everyone he's not gonna say. ok Jimmy don't kill anyone but you Mark you have the green light to murder as many people as you want . What's so hard to understand?.. The only one passing judgement wrongfully here is neuro typical. And i see you avoided the questuon also.. If Jesus were here right now would he join the military? Yes or no?

That's a great analogy.. I've Been an Eagles fan for 36 years. a long rough road it has been.. Nick foles isn't a free agent now but he will be next February and then he can choose freely so i don't fully get your point in that.. And when we sign a contract with baptism it's nothing like a sports contract.. We can break ours at any time.. Anytime we want to we can stand-up and walk right out of any church and into another and can't be sued or forced to come back. because it's not a real tangible contract.. It's just a thought.. And thoughts don't hold up in court. But I'm talking about someone who never has been baptized. Never had interest in religion ever just living their life but choosing to do it without God.. Just keeping to themselves not hurting anyone.. What is their ultimate fate?

I agree with almost everything you said.. But it is possible to decide you're not going to serve God and not do harm to yourself or face harsh repercussions from it... Your point is fornicate and catch a disease ... Do drugs and end up in prison.. Cheat on your family and lose them.. Etc.. Agreed. But someone could not do any of those things and also decide they don't want to subject themselves to God. Let's say someone never went to church never prayed. never read the gospel. but also never wronged or hurt another human or himself .. Wasn't perfect but committed no transgressions they just wanted to exercise their choice to serve God or not.. And chose not to.. What would happen to that person on judgement day?

Im not frustrated... You make it sound like I'm upset about the ramifications being ungodly holds.. I'm just saying is it really a fair choice if one of the options is everlasting banishment? And no a variety would not sit well.. There can be only 2 results because there are only 2 roads... But when the roads end in completely opposite destinations were persuaded heavily towards one over the other AND YET the majority are on the other ( not passing judgement quoting the bible) That's the irony for lack of a better word.

So you're ok with the soldiers that slaughtered 76% of native Americans? And the Nazi soldiers that threw the Jews in gas chambers? They're were all military right?

Well yes and no.. Obviously if i feel that way I'm not excluding myself.. I said someone.. Again someone.. Now you're drawing from that and directing it at a specific person. i can't be responsible for how you interpret my comment. That someone could be me.. And it is me.. It was an all inclusive comment i don't feel someone or Me or you could be in the rice patties gunning down north Koreans and be a worthy disciple of Christ. That's my judgement based of what i think Jesus would say if he were here right now. And youre avoiding my question.. If Jesus were here now would he join the military? Yes or no very simple question .. I look forward to your answer.

Thanks

I just posted in the learning about the Mormon church section of the forum.. I would appreciate your feedback if you have time. And appreciate your feedback on this topic here so far.

As an investigator i keep hearing the word Agency but not the kind often connected to investigators.. Not a place with desks and a Secretary and a coffee machine.. But something every man & woman is connected to.. A choice if I'm understanding it right? Free will... We have the option to choose our road.. The narrow road to life or the broad and spacious road to destruction.. So we're not robots or mindless drones forced under someone's thumb.. That's wonderful.. It gives us freedom in a sense.. Something desired by everyone. But is it really a choice if one of the two options ends in eternal suffering or death or being cast out of Gods favor or whatever the LDS beliefs are for the ones who choose poorly? I mean yes i can choose but if the consequence is eternal misery or non existence that's a pretty one sided offer no? If it were that if you chose not to follow Gods commandments you could still exist in the same manner as those that do thats one thing but if your decision is based on fear.. And i know not everyone's is.. But i don't see a real choice there.. I mean it's there sure.. But you know what i mean.. I would think God would want his children to want to sanctify his name out of pure willing desire not because they don't want to die. And again i know that's not the case for the majority that choose Gods way but for some.. Well... Can someone help me see this from a different view?

This convo has become stale I have a new topic i would like to discuss see you there hopefully

As for the the pious navy seal.. I could see the convenience... After killing someone he could perform the funeral then and there.. Multi tasking.