Jersey Boy

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    Jersey Boy reacted to ZealoulyStriving in The Godhead in Christ's life   
    Working off the teaching that the Holy Ghost is received AFTER baptism and the Holy Ghost descended upon Jesus in the form of  dove AFTER His baptism, I suppose it's conceivable that He didn't have the fulness of the Holy Ghost BEFORE His baptism in the same way we don't until we are baptized.
     
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    Jersey Boy reacted to ZealoulyStriving in Question concerning “Continuing Revelation”   
    We, the membership, only receive what we prepare ourselves to receive. If there is a lack of "many great and important things" it's because we haven't responded adequately to what we have already been given. Remember the Liahona wouldn't work unless they had the faith to exercise obedience.
    I believe Pres. Nelson has much more he has received and wants to reveal it, but unless we get to the House of the Lord as counseled, it will continue to be withheld.
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Mosiah 15:4   
    The expression “they are one God” in verse 4 is referring specifically to Christ in his simultaneous roles as the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh, the Creator (Father) of all things in heaven and earth when an unembodied Spirit, and the Father of salvation through the atonement to all who believe on his name. Hopefully, the following annotated verses will help make things clear…
    3 The Father (Christ is here being referred to as the Father of our of salvation) because he was conceived by the power of God (I.e. Christ was endowed with the divine power needed in order to successfully offer an infinite and eternal atoning sacrifice while in the flesh); and the Son, because of the flesh (the same person whom we call the Father of heaven and earth and the Father of our salvation is also be called the Son of God because he is the literal earthly Son of Elohim); thus becoming the Father and Son (the Father because he is the Father of heaven and earth, as well as the Father of our salvation through the atonement, and he is also the Son because Elohim is the literal Father of his earthly body).
    4 And they (i.e. the Father of heaven and earth, the Father of our salvation, and the Son of God in the flesh) are one God (in this particular instance the prophet is speaking of only one personage, namely Jesus Christ), yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. (Mosiah 15)
    These seemingly inscrutable words of Abinadi become clear when it’s understood that in these verses the prophet is  speaking of Christ in his dual fatherly role as the Father of heaven and earth, and even more especially as the atoning Father of salvation.
     
     
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from mrmarklin in Mosiah 15:4   
    The expression “they are one God” in verse 4 is referring specifically to Christ in his simultaneous roles as the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh, the Creator (Father) of all things in heaven and earth when an unembodied Spirit, and the Father of salvation through the atonement to all who believe on his name. Hopefully, the following annotated verses will help make things clear…
    3 The Father (Christ is here being referred to as the Father of our of salvation) because he was conceived by the power of God (I.e. Christ was endowed with the divine power needed in order to successfully offer an infinite and eternal atoning sacrifice while in the flesh); and the Son, because of the flesh (the same person whom we call the Father of heaven and earth and the Father of our salvation is also be called the Son of God because he is the literal earthly Son of Elohim); thus becoming the Father and Son (the Father because he is the Father of heaven and earth, as well as the Father of our salvation through the atonement, and he is also the Son because Elohim is the literal Father of his earthly body).
    4 And they (i.e. the Father of heaven and earth, the Father of our salvation, and the Son of God in the flesh) are one God (in this particular instance the prophet is speaking of only one personage, namely Jesus Christ), yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. (Mosiah 15)
    These seemingly inscrutable words of Abinadi become clear when it’s understood that in these verses the prophet is  speaking of Christ in his dual fatherly role as the Father of heaven and earth, and even more especially as the atoning Father of salvation.
     
     
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from askandanswer in Mosiah 15:4   
    The expression “they are one God” in verse 4 is referring specifically to Christ in his simultaneous roles as the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh, the Creator (Father) of all things in heaven and earth when an unembodied Spirit, and the Father of salvation through the atonement to all who believe on his name. Hopefully, the following annotated verses will help make things clear…
    3 The Father (Christ is here being referred to as the Father of our of salvation) because he was conceived by the power of God (I.e. Christ was endowed with the divine power needed in order to successfully offer an infinite and eternal atoning sacrifice while in the flesh); and the Son, because of the flesh (the same person whom we call the Father of heaven and earth and the Father of our salvation is also be called the Son of God because he is the literal earthly Son of Elohim); thus becoming the Father and Son (the Father because he is the Father of heaven and earth, as well as the Father of our salvation through the atonement, and he is also the Son because Elohim is the literal Father of his earthly body).
    4 And they (i.e. the Father of heaven and earth, the Father of our salvation, and the Son of God in the flesh) are one God (in this particular instance the prophet is speaking of only one personage, namely Jesus Christ), yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. (Mosiah 15)
    These seemingly inscrutable words of Abinadi become clear when it’s understood that in these verses the prophet is  speaking of Christ in his dual fatherly role as the Father of heaven and earth, and even more especially as the atoning Father of salvation.
     
     
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    Jersey Boy reacted to zil2 in The "Only true and living church" vs "The most correct of any church".   
    Shift it back, brother.  Here's what the Lord himself said:
    The Lord himself "wrote" this section of the D&C, so let's not suggest that Jesus Christ did not know what he was talking about.
    Don't know any sane person who suggested otherwise.  Even God didn't do that:
    Clearly the Lord expects us to seek out learning from wherever we can find it (as well as from him).
    Yes, it is wholly true that:
    No other church on the earth has the Priesthood of Jesus Christ, nor his ordinances and covenants.
    I submit that this person didn't follow the instructions (or see my text below the link):
    Some of us don't want the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ, some of us aren't ready for it yet or like to do things the hard way (and maybe need to experience evil longer before we can recognize the good), and some of us love Satan more than God.  (And whatever other combination of variables I'm not thinking of.)
    Jesus Christ does not send people (other than Satan and his minions) away, ever.
    (Explicit verses above, but the scripture are full of little else than Christ inviting people to come unto him.  He will let them come as far and via whatever convoluted or tortured path they choose, but they are always invited to come fully unto him, and that path is not complete until one has entered into the House of the Lord, received ordinances, made covenants, and then kept those covenants to the end.)
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    Jersey Boy reacted to Vort in Priesthood timing   
    Nothing Wilcox said was offensive, unless you're looking for a reason to be offended. The fact that Jana Reiss found Wilcox's words offensive is pretty good evidence that Wilcox said nothing wrong.
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    Jersey Boy reacted to Vort in Priesthood timing   
    You can, of course, take whatever you want in whatever way you see fit. But a disavowal is not a reproof. Saying, "We do not now accept this as revealed teaching" is much different from saying, "This is false." So in point of fact, the supposed falsehood of Brigham Young's teachings is not itself a teaching (aka doctrine) of the Restored Church of Christ. Those who say "Brigham was wrong" are expressing nothing more than an opinion—and I think that accusing a prophet of heresy is an unwise and dangerous thing to do in most cases.
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from zil2 in Trying to overcome doubts about God / religion   
    What do you think you will gain if you decide to believe there is no God? I’m being quite serious about this. I’m very interested to learn how you think you might benefit if you decide to surrender to unbelief?
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from MrShorty in Second chance at repentance?   
    Why do those desperately wicked and rebellious souls, like Alma the Younger, who at first reject the gospel message but later receive it while still in the flesh, have a pathway open to obtain the celestial kingdom, while the not so not desperately wicked, who receive the gospel after death, can only hope to obtain a terrestrial glory? What’s so magical about death that a balanced application of mercy and justice no longer seems to apply after one’s mortal body is laid down the grave? If Alma had died during his exquisite spiritual suffering, before thinking to cry out to the Savior for mercy, would he have only been able to obtain a terrestrial glory as well? If so, why? It seems terribly unfair that an untimely and/or accidental death, something that one often has no control over, could mightily change one’s spiritual destiny forever. 
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from LDSGator in Second chance at repentance?   
    I’ll respond to the thoughts in your second paragraph later, as I have something I presently need to do. But I’ll take a moment to say that if one of the reasons why it’s not possible for those who take advantage of their “second chance,” by embracing the gospel in the spirit world, to eventually obtain the celestial kingdom is because less faith is required there to know the gospel is true, then we’re right back where we started! How could it be considered fair and just if someone who rejected the gospel in the flesh at age 25, but then is shortly thereafter killed by a drunk driver, to be placed in a state of existence that will necessarily preclude him from obtaining the fullness of salvation? Meanwhile, if the same man had lived to the ripe age of 85 he would have had a much better chance to accept the gospel before death and strive with his might to obtain eternal life. If God truly is fair and just, it appears patently unreasonable that someone would be deprived of his opportunity to strive toward exaltation due to unfortunate circumstances that were not his fault.
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    Jersey Boy reacted to mikbone in Mormon 9:33   
    The sealed 2/3 portion is likely the most correct book ever written.  And contains the fulness of the Gospel. 
    Ether 4:4-7
    Ether 12:23-26
     
    AND
    The Book of Mormon was translated into English by the power of God.  Not by a computer or team of linguists.
    If there were any errors in inscription, God could have easily made adjustments.
     
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    Jersey Boy reacted to Vort in G-ds and Heaven   
    Even the least position in the telestial kingdom is a part of a kingdom of God's glory. It is thus of necessity pure and sinless. So if by "LGBTQ+" concepts you mean activities or ideas that have to do with same-sex sexual relations, I would assume that no such activities or ideas can exist in a place of moral purity.
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from askandanswer in Rich Man & Lazarus   
    In accord with your correct understanding of Doctrine and Covenants 19, the reason why the suffering for sin of the sons of perdition truly is endless is because they utterly refuse to exercise faith in Christ and repent of their sins. The ‘unpardonable sin’ is the steadfast refusal to come unto Christ to obtain pardon. 
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from Vort in Rich Man & Lazarus   
    In accord with your correct understanding of Doctrine and Covenants 19, the reason why the suffering for sin of the sons of perdition truly is endless is because they utterly refuse to exercise faith in Christ and repent of their sins. The ‘unpardonable sin’ is the steadfast refusal to come unto Christ to obtain pardon. 
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    Jersey Boy reacted to Vort in Being Humble vs. Being Compelled to be Humbled   
    Such examples might include:
    Voting for someone you don't like because he's vastly less objectionable than the other person you could vote for Working with people who have historically hated you and even sought evil against you because they're on the same side as you regarding far more destructive, heinous, and hateful ideologies Taking a job you dislike because open, socially sanctioned bigotry prevents you from working in a field you're otherwise well-qualified for Keeping your perfectly valid opinions to yourself because making clear that you believe something will get you dismissed from your job, excluded from your education, or otherwise damage your professional and social prospects
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from Carborendum in D&C 138:59   
    Why don’t you spend some quality time in a sincere attempt to learn what the Latter-Day Saints actually believe instead of asking silly, ill informed questions that make it obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about? Rather than spoon feed you the correct information, I suggest you read, study and deeply ponder Doctrine and Covenants 138 and you’ll get the information you need to be set straight as to whether or not the inheritors of the lower kingdoms of heavenly glory will have a covenantal relationship with Christ. But I’ll cut you some slack because, in all honesty, most Latter-Day Saints are clueless when it comes to what Doctrine and Covenants 76 and 138 actually teach.
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Different Perspective   
    John wasn’t much of an actual eyewitness of Christ’s suffering in Gethsemane when it’s considered that he, Peter and James were some distance away from Christ at the time of his suffering, and that they were fast asleep. It may rightly be said that John accompanied Christ when he entered the garden and that he was with him at the time the Gethsemanic suffering was over, but it’s a stretch to say he was an eyewitness.
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    Jersey Boy reacted to askandanswer in Momon 8:25   
    I would have read this verse at least once a year for the last few decades, but it's only a few minutes ago that I have come to understand it in a new light.
    25 And behold, their aprayers were also in behalf of him that the Lord should suffer to bring these things forth
    My understanding of this verse is that those same prophets who prayed for the coming forth of the Book of Mormon also prayed for the person who would bring it forth - past prophets praying for a future prophet who is now a past prophet, in mortal terms. I wasn't previously aware of this. 
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from NeuroTypical in Oaks - Red letter talk   
    I doubt elder Oaks’ rather strange and totally uncharacteristic General Conference address is the one he originally planned on giving. It’s hard to believe that after 6 months a brilliant mind like his couldn’t have come up with something more original to say. It seems to me his address was hastily cobbled together at the last minute just to be able to fill his allotted time.
    After President Nelson admitted in his address that President Oaks and President Eyring have been having disagreements, albeit civil ones, I’m wondering if President Eyring opined at the last minute that President Oaks’ originally planned address was too hard hitting and controversial, and for these reasons President Oaks was forced to prepare a talk on the fly that included virtually no thoughts of his own?
    I know what I’m saying seems far fetched, but at very least I’m fairly certain something happened behind the scenes that caused President Oaks to give the most unoriginal and unusual of all the General Conference addresses he’s ever given since becoming a general authority. To reiterate, President Oaks had a full 6 moths to come up with another one of his thought provoking talks, but the best he could do was quote the Savior on a wide range of subjects with no particular central focus or theme?
    Now I do indeed realize that I could be flat out wrong, but I think it’ really is possible that something unusual happened behind the scenes that caused him to give such a strange and totally uncharacteristic conference address. 
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    Jersey Boy reacted to mikbone in The spirit body   
    Welcome Greg!
    We don’t know what this finer matter is.
    Its certainly not matter as our scientist currently understand.
    So many options.
    Dark Matter, Organized photons, something we cannot detect or comprehend.
    God is not confined to our current understanding of physics.
    There are some scientist that propose we are living in a computer simulation.  God is probably pretty good with code.
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from Vort in D&C 138:59   
    The scriptures make it clear that it’s impossible for fallen mortals to atone for their own sins through suffering. The only way sin can be be properly atoned for, in order to fully satisfy the infinite and eternal demands of divine justice, is through an atoning sacrifice for sin made by an infinite and eternal being, and that being is God. It’s folly to imagine it’s possible for wicked, fallen men to have the power to make an infinite and eternal atoning sacrifice for their own sins.
    The purpose of suffering in hell for those destined for the telestial kingdom is to humble them through suffering until their hearts are fully broken and their spirits are rendered fully contrite, and this that they might finally be able to exercise living faith in Christ, sincerely repent of their sins, receive divine pardon for their sins, and at last receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, the Holy Ghost being that member of the Godhead who ministers to the inheritors of the telestial kingdom of glory.
    The penalty spoken of is finally paid when the penitents have suffered enough to enable them to understand that they are utterly dependent on the Savior and need to advantage themselves of his atoning sacrifice if they are ever going to be able to escape what would otherwise be an endless punishment in hell. Suffering for personal sin actually is endless unless and until the sufferer exercises living faith in Christ unto true repentance that allows the burden to be lifted.
    In order to gain a proper understanding of Doctrine and Covenants 138:59, it’s essential to read and correctly understand the verses that immediately precede verse 59. With this correct understanding it becomes clear that the washing referred to in verse 59 is the saving ordinance of baptism. With this comes the realization that the Savior really did speak the truth when he testified that only those who believe in him AND ARE BAPTIZED can be saved.
    The answer you are looking for is found in the very same Section of the Doctrine and Covenants (138) that prompted your question…
    57 I beheld that the faithful elders of this dispensation, when they depart from mortal life, continue their labors in the preaching of the gospel of repentance and redemption, through the sacrifice of the Only Begotten Son of God, among those who are in darkness and under the bondage of sin in the great world of the spirits of the dead.
    58 The dead who repent will be redeemed, through obedience to the ORDINANCES  of the house of God. (Doctrine and Covenants 138)
    The “ordinances of the house of God” referred to in verse 58 are the same referred to in verse 33:
    32 Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins, without a knowledge of the truth, or in transgression, having rejected the prophets.
    33 These (I.e. the wicked who rejected the gospel message taught by prophets while they were in the body on earth) were taught faith in God, repentance from sin, vicarious baptism for the remission of sins, the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands. (Doctrine and Covenants 138)
     
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from askandanswer in John 9:2 and John 11:4   
    Although at times it may not appear to be so, due to man’s limited understanding, the fact is that God never does a single thing, ever, that isn’t for the benefit and salvation of his children.
    23 For behold, my beloved brethren, I say unto you that the Lord God worketh not in darkness.
    24 He doeth not anything save it be for the benefit of the world; for he Loveth the world, even that he layeth down his own life that he may draw ALL men unto him. Wherefore, he commandeth none that they shall not partake of his salvation. (2 Nephi 26)
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from Traveler in John 9:2 and John 11:4   
    Although at times it may not appear to be so, due to man’s limited understanding, the fact is that God never does a single thing, ever, that isn’t for the benefit and salvation of his children.
    23 For behold, my beloved brethren, I say unto you that the Lord God worketh not in darkness.
    24 He doeth not anything save it be for the benefit of the world; for he Loveth the world, even that he layeth down his own life that he may draw ALL men unto him. Wherefore, he commandeth none that they shall not partake of his salvation. (2 Nephi 26)
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    Jersey Boy got a reaction from mikbone in John 9:2 and John 11:4   
    Although at times it may not appear to be so, due to man’s limited understanding, the fact is that God never does a single thing, ever, that isn’t for the benefit and salvation of his children.
    23 For behold, my beloved brethren, I say unto you that the Lord God worketh not in darkness.
    24 He doeth not anything save it be for the benefit of the world; for he Loveth the world, even that he layeth down his own life that he may draw ALL men unto him. Wherefore, he commandeth none that they shall not partake of his salvation. (2 Nephi 26)