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  1. I'm sorry for inaccurately framing how these sins are defined in the original post. I will edit clarification based on this info in your post
  2. On your 2nd point, I apologize for inaccurately quoting The Family proclamation and if I can still edit my original post, I will make a note that I misquoted it. 3. That is a great point on why we seem to accept violence in popular culture but single out SSA as so damaging. I will try to explain my issue with the kiss. The kiss would not have been in a movie like this in the 90s. A kiss like this wasn't even in The Force Awakens. But a kiss like this is here now, and it comes 7 or so months after Avengers Endgame (another Disney Corporation movie) included a bit on how normal SSA is. And to the world, I understand that it is normal. My issue is that a kiss like that today, is a main character's love interest tomorrow. So my hypothetical kids are now being raised on movies where likable main characters have love lives showing how human and "normal" SSA is. And my hypothetical kids like these characters and they don't understand why I would teach them that SSA is something we believe God doesn't like and SSA relationships have no place in the afterlife and are harmful to the family unit. I see the gay date conversation in Avengers and this kiss as testing the water for approval for more SSA inclusion in the largest family entertainment tentpole movies, and I believe deeper integration of SSA, painted in very strong, empathetic ways, is on its way. And I think that is going to teach kids from a very young age to view SSA in a positive, normal light. The violence you are referring to in TROS, I don't know why I'm not so worked up about it. Maybe because it's so over the top cartoon-y? When one character is shot in the leg, it's done with a humorous tone. When large-scale destruction occurs, it's so over the top and largely distant from close bonds that it just feels like noise. Would I let my hypothetical 10-year-old kid watch the realistic, brutal violence in the Joker movie? No. Avengers blowing up aliens that look like monsters and the Star Wars violence where ships blow up? I would. I suppose I see this quote from President Benson in things like the TROS Kiss; "I testify that wickedness is rapidly expanding in every segment of our society. (See D&C 1:14–16; D&C 84:49–53.) It is more highly organized, more cleverly disguised, and more powerfully promoted than ever before." (from his "I Testify" talk) I'm not worried that sci-fi violence (and it can be pretty bad, I feel uncomfortable when Anakin walks over to the younglings and one walks back in shock as he sees him, in Revenge) is going to warp young minds (and minds of all ages) into adopting feelings of acceptance to types of love that we have been warned about as being destructive to our eternal nature and society here on earth. On the Daoism stuff, I feel one reason Star Wars resonates so much with members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is because we find similarities to our beliefs with the world of Star Wars, or mainly the force as it was presented in the original trilogy. Yoda's lesson to Luke about luminous beings, being more than crude matter (this reminds me of our fallible, mortal bodies) really hits me hard. So I see your point about this new one adapting ideas from a religion different from ours, and if they went deeper with that, I'd be annoyed by it On your other post with the spoiler, I thought everything to do with that fleet was conjured up, so I didn't notice that
  3. There is some context to the main point of this thread. If you want to skip that and just get to the main point, jump down to the line titled, "The Main Point" I never know where to go to to talk about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because so many members seem so split on how the church feels about social issues today that fight against principles outlined in The Family: A Proclamation to The World, and by extension, principles we believe are eternal. I'm talking about how fundamental beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints view marriage and gender in God's eyes. I don't know what members believe what anymore. I don't know who stands by The Proclamation any more and who wishes the church's views on these topics would change. This is why I say I never know where to go to for discussion about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I feel like we aren't united But getting to the title of this thread, I hope this forum may be an appropriate place for this question I will be posing. I saw Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker tonight with some family. And while I'm not crazy about the Disney corporation (or their handling of the Star Wars brand), Disney and Star Wars are very important to my dad. My dad is a believing member of what I would call "Fundamental Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint" beliefs. I say fundamental, because as I said earlier, I don't know how many of us are still supporters of The Proclamation and how many of us desire that The Church would change its view/doctrine on the core principles taught in it. At this point I don't know what you would call the Church's stance on it firmly and succinctly. I mean the leaders have never been confident enough to make The Proclamation "scripture" on a highlighted enough level to belong in The Doctrine and Covenants and I believe the recent policy change said married couples of the same sex wouldn't be declared as committing a sin on the level of being called an abomination anymore--to clarify on this, I was informed that The Family Proclamation never explicitly referred to same sex relationships as abomination, so I'm sorry for misquoting The Family Proclamation, also recent statements from General Authority have clarified that unchaste sexual behavior in general is considered abomination and the word change I referred to in the policy change was apostasy, not abomination (I was wrong), the behavior I described is now no longer declared apostasy in regards to the technical words used to describe why one may be facing church disciplinary action--Back to my dad, I care about him and his interests and hobbies so I enthusiastically went to the movie with him and looked for the best in the movie and after the movie talked about it in a really positive matter with my dad, up until a certain point in the conversation. We reach a point in the conversation where my dad just goes "I really liked how Disney handled that certain kiss in the movie." This kiss goes against God's views as outlined in the Proclamation. And in my head I am like "What the ****?" And outwardly, I'm immediately annoyed and I just put my foot down and I say I don't like it at all. And I said I was disappointed because it's clear that today it's one thing, but tomorrow, because we all tell Disney and these companies we're okay with stuff like this, tomorrow the nature of the kiss will play a much larger role in these movies. And I'm going to have to raise my kids in a world where the entertainment they consume is filled with deeper anti-Proclamation material, because today we said "this kiss is okay, this kiss was classy and not too in the face" The Main Point: Disney owns so much of what we consume for entertainment. And if Disney or if any company, is going to put material that paints concepts that The Proclamation declares to be abominations in God's eyes in a positive light, and if this positive inclusion spreads the acceptance of iniquity (which leads to truth being persecuted more and more), do we have a moral obligation to put our foot down and say "not anymore" and stop spending our money on these products (and consuming these products)? If we just keep supporting popular "family entertainment" that continues to put more and more material that The Church says works against God's laws (and that communities that embrace these things will experience the destruction of the family unit and will bring to pass the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets), does that show a lack of sincerity in our beliefs? Is that living too far in the world? Or is it no big deal? I try to be super objective and I'm sitting here feeling awful at how I clearly lost my cool talking about this with my Dad and I know there are girls I'd love to date whose Dad's are probably just as into Disney as my Dad is. And I wouldn't act to them the way I acted to my Dad tonight. I feel awful. And I just don't know if we as a collective whole are supposed to stop showing up to this sort of family entertainment, or let it slide.
  4. I just reported you for twisting my testimony I shared in response to multiple users saying there is no doctrinal basis for masturbation being part of the law of chastity. You didn't say anything about multiple users here defending the act as not breaking the law in the conversation you pulled and twisted my remarks from. I was speaking up for the law of chastity to others who were preaching philosophies of man and doctrine against the standard the Lord has set for his church. You twisted my words. You didn't know what you were talking about. Enjoy your ban.
  5. YEAH IN RESPONSE TO ANOTHER USER IMPLYING THE REASON MISSION NUMBERS ARE LOW IS BECAUSE STAKE PRESIDENTS AREN"T LETTING THIS HAPPEN. If you aren't going to be aware of what the conversation contains, then don't pick one remark, isolate it from it's context and frame it in an inaccurate way. You clearly have no grasp on what the back and forth between me and other users were, so unless you wanted to be up to speed on the conversation, you shouldn't have jumped in with a mean remark completely twisting what I said
  6. How did you pull that from what I said? It's not the norm. I did the wrong thing and we shouldn't lower the standards to get addicts out in the mission field. How did you possibly pull this from what I said? You jumped into a discussion where another user was advocating a current member of the seventy says masturbation isn't wrong and another user is telling me that referring to people who break the law of chastity as unworthy to serve a mission is mean to them. And my post, clearly misunderstanding my post, this is what you pull from the conversation?
  7. Yeah, I just read that actually. I admit I was wrong about the video. You ask how I feel about his statement on this. Confused and disheartened is how I feel. Disappointed as well.
  8. Why do you think this? I have no issue saying I was unworthy to do things (I called myself unworthy then and I refer to who I was back then as unworthy now) and it didn't make me hate myself. It was honesty that allowed me to change. Have you lived a double life for nearly 15 years? I did. I just feel you are speaking to someone who has experienced this and you are saying "oh no, you're wrong. yeah, you went through an awful addiction for 13 years and completely changed but you don't understand this, let me explain to you what you went through yet you don't get it, we need to caudal people in their problems, you don't understand". It's offensive to be honest. More offensive than me being honest that I was unworthy to do certain things ever was
  9. I think the statement that it LEADS to sinful behavior is playing softball and implying it isn't sinful behavior in itself. I think it goes against a more recent video they made about masturbation being wrong and encouraging individuals to help others who are engulfed in that behavior. A pretty important old testament prophet got drunk and slept with his daughters, people, even leaders of the church make mistakes. I will never feel modern-day apostles and prophets have always worded every statement 100% correctly. The Book of Mormon honestly may not have, we're told if it has any errors, that comes with man. Masturbation is breaking the law of chastity. No matter how much addicts wish it weren't.
  10. The church requires missionaries to live the law of chastity. Abstaining from masturbation is part of the law of chastity. Too many years of too many people preaching the "there are two types of people in the world; those that masturbate, and those that lie about it" philosophy of man has poisoned what people consider to be following the law of chastity and I'm not shocked this has given reason for clarification on this to be addressed in some interviews.
  11. I masturbated on my mission. I was a sinner. I lied to my family to go on a mission. I lied to my bishop. I took out my endowments while nursing a pornography and masturbation addiction. This problem haunted my missionary work. It didn't disappear on my mission (but I sure believed it would! If I could just get out there things would change!) and it took serious, life-changing effort for years after my mission to find healing from this damaging behavior and now, I feel like a completely different person. I have never been happier. I never believed people could change from such harrowing, haunting behavior. Part of repentance is admitting fault and turning to the Lord to find healing from problems. If people can't admit where they have sinned, that is pride, that is not repentance. An army of law of chastity breaking missionaries isn't a solution to anything. Neither is lowering the standards of the church to make people feel less bad about engaging in sinful behavior. Do you think the law of chastity is a lie or just a suggestion? Do you not believe in it? I just don't understand what you want. Worthiness interviews should just be tossed aside and we just need to hug each other as we look at porn and masturbate why telling the world we believe in this law of chastity thing but don't feel bad if you can't live it? God has given us rules and we have seen in scripture it is legitimately blasphemous and damaging to God's church to alter the rules and to preach "easier laws" over what God wants us to follow. Whenever the church got out of line in the Book of Mormon's narrative, God stretched out his hand to try and help people see they had gone off the mark (well until the Jaredites and Nephites had pushed things too far). I am saddened and honestly discouraged so many members take the law of chastity and repentance so lightly, but this is the Lord's church and I have faith we will be called to repentance
  12. Are you suggesting we send out unworthy missionaries? I went on a mission unworthily, that was wicked. It was wrong. Why should we lower the bar? How is that following what God has asked of us? If you don't live the law of chastity as a missionary you are a hypocrite and serving in vain. I was a hypocrite and I served in vain. I did the wrong thing. We can't move forward and make progress being in blatant disobedience to what God has asked of us. 1 worthy missionary will do more good for God's church than 10,000,000 fake missionaries. Have we not just had a powerful lesson on what fake men do to a church? Does the Catholic church have more members than The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints? Yes. Does it have more leaders? Yes. And what good has sexual wickedness done the larger church? It's turned into criminal activity, has broken the hearts of sincere believers and essentially put a nail in the coffin of that church's reputation. If the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints can't live the law of chastity there is a problem. Zion is not going to be built by a half-hearted embrace of the law of chastity. Masturbation is pornography consumption. Trading your birthright for a mess of porridge.
  13. I'm inferring too many members of the church are addicts to masturbation and this has been a case for decades and the body of the church has been weakened by this "wink, wink, nudge, nudge, everyone does this, it isn't a big deal" attitude perpetuated quietly/secretly (the Book of Mormon has some wonderful lessons on what evilness done in darkness does to organizations and to God's church in times past) by misguided leaders and members and it has caused bleeding in the Lord's church. In response, leaders are being more clear and bold in fighting back against this error and are trying to really identify if men are worthy of priesthood advancements and callings. I spent 13 years of my life an addict to this behavior. I know the withdrawals, I know the hopelessness of feeling like change is literally impossible, I know the sleepless nights stemming from the cravings/addiction. It changes. It isn't that way forever. The healing power of the atonement is real. The church needs to be healed. We can't go on and press forward in the work the Lord would have us do being hypocrites and unfaithful to such a high law God has given us and operates by, When I was 18, I was told by a peer that his bishop said masturbation is a reality you have to live with and all you can do is feel sorry when you do it. That was a lie. I will spend my life testifying of the life-changing, life-saving, healing power of Christ's atonement in the face of sexual addiction. Too many are deceived and held back by people settling on a terrestrial lifestyle and attitude and understanding of how Christ can impact their life.
  14. What exactly is this used for? I remember when it was announced but I was a kid and wasn't paying attention. Can my non-member friend (in a very delicate financial situation) take advantage of it for finishing her bachelor's degree?
  15. What happens to teenagers who become addicted to sexual sin (masturbation, pornography, sexual acts with others) and are only able to finally address and work on it with Priesthood leaders when they are 18+? I'm not saying I'm against proposals to not ask about masturbation, but we believe in the law of chastity and teenage years are a landmine for people getting introduced and addicted to spiritually destructive sexual transgressions. Everyone is just supposed to handle it on their own until they turn 18+? From 14 to 26 (3 years in recovery, from abstaining from masturbation, pornography and other law of chastity transgressions, the healing power of Christ's atonement is real) I was addicted to masturbation and pornography. I went on a mission unworthily, took out my endowments unworthily (received my patriarchal blessing unworthily too). I've lied to priesthood leaders, all it did was hurt me and prevent me from repenting and being blessed to feel the the power of the atonement. I wasn't able to overcome my addictions on my own and in my early 20s, lying to leaders really damned me, and in my early 20s, the addictions I had stemmed from things I got into as a teenager. I'm not against having leaders not ask about this to people younger than 18, I just hope the Lord's will on this issue is revealed and stood up for
  16. Are you referring to the persecution of the Nephites who believed in Christ near the end of the Book of Helaman leading up the sign of Christ's birth? I find it fascinating how the philosophies of the anti-Christs during that time period line up so well with the view points of today's non-believers in Christ. And it seems every year it becomes less and less acceptable in the world's eyes for The Church to believe in the things we believe
  17. Yeah these are things I wonder about too. Not much progress (from my limited perspective and understanding) seems to be made in the Jackson County Missouri thing. Isn't that where the capitol of Zion is supposed to be? It is hard to say what needs to happen before the Second Coming and what will happen during the millenium
  18. Is this doctrine? Is God the Father the only one who knows when Christ's second coming will occur? When Christ comes again is something I care deeply about. Isn't it supposed to get pretty ugly leading up to his return? It was pretty bad for believers in Christ among the Nephites leading to the sign of his birth.
  19. I'm leaning towards your first suggestion.
  20. Ah, you mean passing on from the mortal life? Is there anything in scripture or comments from leaders we'll have access to scripture in the spirit world?
  21. I dont like some of the humor that's being allowed in PG13 Disney/Marvel movies. So while my line isn't where yours is, I have a line as well. Good for you, OP
  22. Is a storm coming? Looking back at the last 5-10 years, we've seen some really neat things in way of latter-day revelation and church history. Being able to see a seer stone. I don't think many of us pause to consider how powerful of an action that was
  23. When they asked about your mission plaqs you couldn't have simply said something like "So we are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, commonly known as the Mormon church, which you have probably heard of. We prefer to be referred to as Latter-Day Saints, that is the proper name"? Is saying something like that that difficult?