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  1. On 8/21/2018 at 12:41 PM, MormonGator said:

    Hey @Carborendum! Long time no see!  
     

    I haven't spoken to all 7,185,000,000  non members out there (still waiting on three of them to call me back) , but I'm confident they'd basically agree with me. 

    I agree with the concept but lol idk this generation shortens everything even if it involves their bff. Maybe we can teach our pc to convert our new ways so we can comply.

  2. Just FYI I asked Elder M Russell Ballard divorce is not condemnation  a divorced person can be a Bishop or whatever. He said he personally had approved many divorcees.

    There are however traditions to the contrary and sometimes traditions get in the way of Revelation.

  3. On 9/3/2018 at 11:30 PM, pwrfrk said:

    Precisely. 

    To help Carborendum and others, it's not a matter of "I had to skip out on paying tithing because of...(insert reason)" or "I didn't go to church because of...(insert reason)".  While those could be ethics issues, in the extreme, they affect no one, thus in my opinion, that's something between you and Heavenly Father.  Let me give an old, old example.

    Many years ago, and we're talking back in the 80's & 90's, I was young and in good shape, and having been raised on a small "hobby" farm in a farming community, I knew how to pick, drive tractor, lots of stuff (really don't want to go into all the details IOW).  But once I turned 18, the farmers preferred hiring illegal aliens.  And we went to the same ward. 

    I asked the Bishop about it and he said "they have to do what they do because it's hard work and they have to make a living."  Ok, so we're talking about putting aside the morals and ethics of being Mormon, so one can make a buck or two.  The work performed isn't the issue.  Whether or not I could get a job is not the issue.  What is the issue is, in that case, hiring illegal aliens so one (the farmer) would have more money coming in, but excusing it saying it's so he can make a living.

    Okay.  Now let us turn this around.

    Now you have a disabled vet fresh from the sandbox.  He needs money.  So he robs a bank.  It's now ok, because the farmer hired illegal aliens so he could make a living.  But wait!  Now we have this young coule, in their late teens, dropped out of high school because of drugs.  Can't find work, so...they start dealing drugs to their friends.  But that's ok, because the farmer and the vet had to break the law as well so they could make a living. 

    In all three cases they ignored gospel.  They put the church aside for their own immoral and unethical reasons.  Is that acceptable, since it's to make a living?  Would it be more acceptable if they paid not on taxes on their income, but tithing and fast offerings?

    I say that in all three cases it's not acceptable or excusable.  Both immoral (against the unwritten standards) and unethical (against the written standards and laws).

    Am I the only one?  Strangely, it's starting to feel that way.

    You hit the nail on the head. We think it normal for an attorney to have 4 cases and charging all 4 coming and going for his travel time to where all the hearings are. We think nothing about the medical field falsifying bills to insurance because network discounts are eating their profit. We think nothing about insurance making a practice of underpaying on repairs if they think since claimants have no loan and may choose, legally, not to repair if it doesn't affect the functionality of the car.  We think nothing of a law officer doing something not legal to catch a dope dealer. In every case we sell our souls, choosing occupational success ahead of keeping church standards  The prophet preaches to all but too large a segment of us don't apply it to ourselves. The elect are going to be attacked more than anyone in these latter days. We are all just people who are that will be tempted to abandon Church standards. If you aren't ever tempted there's a chance you are already lost.

  4. 2 hours ago, Sunday21 said:

    Muslims don’t have a central religious leader like the pope or our prophet.They have individual leaders. So some Muslims may wish to fight the US but most  Muslims  think that these fighting Muslims are nuts.ls a pipe dream.

    I have never seen any evidence they truly oppose violence except when they  are threatened.

    Entire countries teach killing Christians!   I totally disagree how you minimize this and feel you are contradicting facts. The facts support my findings that the vast majority of Muslims have been taught since birth to eliminate non Muslims. You are only correct that the radicals that carry out the teachings are not the majority.  But I find no evidence the majority think they are nuts. The majority will not condemn radicals. They remain silent even with the worst terrorist. I have watched TV host all but beg for condemnations of course even non Muslims justify bombings if PC. I agree they don't just disagree between denominations they have mass killings of each other.  Of course the main stream media sugar coats things also. Soon Muslim holidays will be the only holiday in schools.  

     

    It is crazy, in Germany government buildings are not forbidden to put up manger scenes, they are REQUIRED to have Christian decorations., In the US we stand for nothing. We are PC at the peril of Christianity. Our Education system teahes against God, without criticizing Muslims.

    Let them worship what they please but we cannot replace Christ just to be tolerant. Extremism has become normal, justified, and accepted to the point of being made fools of. We need to wake up...

  5. The Muslims announced Christianity in the US will be destroyed and are teaching their Children this. Our Education system has converted to the big bang/spontaneous generation. The media is anti Christians.  Christians are fighting each other over who is right. Seems this is a perfect storm. All churches seem to be struggling. The majority of the US doesn't claim to be Christians . It seems like we are entering a time when our children will be challenged from every angle

     

  6. Does Cannon law allow for a priest to be a priest if they know he is a pedophile. I find no good can come from the ancient past but the world has a right to demand child protection. A man is not innocent until proven guilty. He is pressumed innocent... but we must do a better job protecting children Canon law are not.

  7. On 8/28/2018 at 1:08 PM, Traveler said:

    @anatess2, most likely, has one of the best insights on our forum into current problems - The Washington Post; not the best source of anything, is reporting that a high ranking Cardinal is calling for the Pope's resignation because the Pope allegedly knew of sex abuses for years and was part of the silent cover up.  I do not like speculation in such matters - but I believe this could hurt Christianity in the greater landscape of public opinion as much as or perhaps more so than the separation between much of Traditional Christian doctrine and Science.  

    Many of the agnostics and atheists I know are difficult to engage in religious centered discussion just because they are "fed" up with religion as a whole.

     

    The Traveler

    All Christianity is a bad place, the time will come when we will be in hiding

  8. One issue is opinion which is all it is. Anything written in a book other other than Church publication. Many things are not known as in Revelation when John was commanded not to write. There's a huge amount of writing not doctrine. We do believe the rapture as believed by many is not correct, I don't think it matters eternally. There will be the judgement "of the names written in the book of Life" I understand that is the final judgement and evidence Christians will be judged and rewarded accordingly. I don't believe anyone has a full knowledge of eternity. We only know God is love perfected. It is not helpful that we know more.

     

     

  9. On 8/11/2018 at 12:49 PM, Fether said:

    I agree, I never suggested in my comment that we ought to judge others or act out of pride.

    I am saying that we can’t be fearful to reach out to those who are struggling and offer assistance. Simply saying “it isn’t my business” makes us no different than the priest that walked past the wounded man in the parable of the Good Samaritan. We need to be courageous and help our friends that are steeped in sin.

    There is a line of demarcation

  10. 2 hours ago, Carborendum said:

    I believe it is well documented how unwise it is for people in the cheap seats to tell someone how he "should" do his job.

    In the Church I am a member of their are no cheap seats. I am a thankfully a convert, and in the last 33 year's there has not been a stake priesthood leadership meeting I was not a part of . I have also been blessed to have met an extreme number of apostles living out side of Utah and Idaho. I am not trying to tell anyone how to do their job but it bothers me when doctrine is ignored even if it only in 1 out of 4 wards 

  11. 1 hour ago, john4truth said:

    No cash should be but the only only limit on a bishop is medical bills you have a lot more fast offering given than here

    We built a home for a burned out family. LoL this is my point traveling two separate stakes for 6 years I saw a drastic difference between bishops, and some avoided the poor and needy some went overboard. At judgement I would rather be the one that helped too much.  My comments are just factual observation. Nothing to do with my finances. I have been blessed to be self reliant. I am extremely familiar with actual Church policy and it seems you have a great bishop.

     

  12. The problem is in the Church there are many "unwritten orders of things" it's only those non doctrine rules I object to. If you are not aware the Church made an official statement that the General Authority that used that term retracted it. The Church says if it is not written it is not doctrine. You could write a book just on all the traditions and beliefs that are false docrine. Like you should never touch the sacrament with your left hand. Yes my stake president is aware and working to fix things in an orderly way

  13. On 8/30/2018 at 9:30 AM, MormonHub said:

    Hannah Cornaby must have been looking into a crystal ball or something when she wrote the text for "Who's on the Lord's Side?" (or, I guess a little more likely, received revelation) because her words have never been more applicable than they are today. For years, news outlets have reported that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is on the wrong side of everything — history, current events, even laws. Latter-day Saints, they claim, are disturbingly anti-social justice and equality. And you know what? Judging by the world's views, they're probably right. In a world that is increasingly "accepting," Latter-day Saints are becoming less and less accepted — all because the Church will not conform to society's standards of morality. While the world's laws are ever-changing, God's laws remain the same "yesterday, today, and forever" (1 Nephi 10:18). In April of 2013, Elder L. Tom Perry said, "The world changes constantly and dramatically, but God, His commandments, and promised blessings do not change. They are immutable and unchanging" (L. Tom...

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    The Church has changed its stance on medical marijuana to remaining neutral. The Lord doesn't change but humans do have to adapt. This is not new in the Church. It is not uncommon for the leaders to have to update their thinking they're human after all. The Church also donated to the fund to reduce LGBQT suicide. All of which is Christlike