Chilean

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    Chilean reacted to Grunt in Why is coffee or tea forbidden?   
    Herbal tea, not organic.  Herbal teas aren't really tea, such as Yerba Mate, Guayusa, and Yaupon.  There are also fake coffees like Pero and Postum.
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    Chilean got a reaction from SilentOne in New Temple Predictions   
    I'm hoping for a new temple in GA!! As going to the Atlanta, GA Temple is a real struggle with the horrible traffic. 
    The next temple south of the Atlanta GA temple is the one in Jacksonville, FL.  So.... there are many members of the church between Atlanta and Jacksonville, and just having a temple somewhere in between would be wonderful!
    But anywhere in the world is always wonderful news!
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    Chilean got a reaction from Jane_Doe in New Temple Predictions   
    I'm hoping for a new temple in GA!! As going to the Atlanta, GA Temple is a real struggle with the horrible traffic. 
    The next temple south of the Atlanta GA temple is the one in Jacksonville, FL.  So.... there are many members of the church between Atlanta and Jacksonville, and just having a temple somewhere in between would be wonderful!
    But anywhere in the world is always wonderful news!
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    Chilean got a reaction from Jane_Doe in How does one determine sincerity and real intent?   
    Man, you're a fast reader.
    Just so you know, like they were telling you last week about our prophets and Apostles... Every 6 months we have General Conference, where church leaders give talks.  General Conference is October 6th and 7th.  You might learn more stuff about the Church/Gospel by watching conference (It's broadcasted online at LDS.org, YouTube under the church channels, BYU TV, and some radio stations, Church buildings).   Also, the month after general Conference you can find the talks of the Church Magazine, Ensign, and you can also find them on LDS.org probably just a few weeks after general conference.
    You might be able to find answers to those questions during conference.
    https://www.lds.org/church/events/october-2018-general-conference?lang=eng
     
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    Chilean reacted to JohnsonJones in Small plates, Large Plates, Record of Lehi, and 116 pages   
    My impression is that a majority of what was covered in the 116 pages were now covered by the Small Plates.  There were differences though. 
    For starters, the 116 pages probably started with Lehi's account and his words.  Then we have Nephi's plates, but these plates probably did not cover as much scripture (and thus probably not as much Isaiah) for his time and were more a record of the events, their wars, and other items.  In accordance with that they probably also covered more mundane actions by those who were their Kings and such. 
    Instead of being the full record, I imagine it was also an abridgement made by Mormon, and thus more in his voice than that of those ancient prophets and leaders of the Nephites.
    It may be that the kings/rulers of the Nephites branched off at some point (seems like it) and so the large plates/abridgement may also not have included some of the authors of the small plates.  The small plates seem to have become more of family record with a family tradition to put some information in them from those who inherited them.
    It appears there is a small bit of overlap between the small plates and even what we have of the Large plates where they were resumed translating. 
    However, with the Lord knowing the beginning to the end, I would say he knew of what would occur and prepared for this.  Nephi was not sure of why, but he did as the Lord instructed and thus the history and the major teachings of Lehi and Nephi were not lost.
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    Chilean reacted to Just_A_Guy in Why Is There an Upset about Polytheism?   
    This.  It’s also worth noting that Jews and Muslims tend to get a pretty good chuckle at the mental gymnastics *all* Christians go through to try to paint themselves as monotheists whilst simultaneously hailing Jesus of Nazareth (party of the first part) as a son of the Living God (party of the second part); and all these ancient creeds of “Three.  But one.  But three, and one.  But one, and not three.  But three, and not one.  But one in three, and three in one, and both one and three, but neither three nor one”, seem rather like an old Abbott and Costello routine.
    As Mormons, we probably have better things to do than to grammatically bootstrap ourselves into the semantical world of “monotheism”.  But as long as the rest of Christianity is running around claiming to be monotheists, I don’t see any convincing reason why we Mormons shouldn’t be allowed to join in the fun.  😛 
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    Chilean reacted to Fether in Why Is There an Upset about Polytheism?   
    I’ll be honest with you. Having served a 2 year mission and been an active on this forum for about a year, the only people to have ever brought the question up to me have been people that absolutely hate our church and you . We are too busy preparing ourselves to help people with questions that deal with Christ, repentance, temples, work for the dead, Law of a chastity, Word of a wisdom,  Book of Mormon and other more prominent issues that have more to do with our salvation. After that we begin studying and worrying about the more interesting parts of our gospel. The philosophy of polytheism falls deep down at the bottom of the list behind “Did Joseph speak to a salamander” and “Are we going to built a space ship and fly to another planet?”
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    Chilean reacted to The Folk Prophet in Why Is There an Upset about Polytheism?   
    I think it's a bit dishonest to refuse to admit that claiming Latter-day Saints are monotheistic (which we do) requires some wordplay on what monotheistic and polytheistic mean.
    The problem is, @MaryJehanne, is that polytheistic is typically viewed as religions like old Greek/Roman gods, Hinduism, or some of the Polynesian views, etc. And the Latter-day Saint view has nothing in common with those and much, much more in common with traditional Judeo-Christian views of monotheism, but with, as @MarginOfError points out, nuances.
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    Chilean reacted to Jane_Doe in Why Is There an Upset about Polytheism?   
    And when a person becomes exalted, they become ONE with God.  At the end of the day, there's still only ONE God.
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    Chilean reacted to MarginOfError in Why Is There an Upset about Polytheism?   
    As I said, I don't believe it's a matter of people trying to "hide" it.  It's more like people aren't aware of the nuances, don't take the time to understand where other religions are coming from, and are therefore unequipped to have adequate conversations that can bridge the gaping chasms between their belief systems.
    sidenote: I'm not sure everyone needs to go pursuing all of that knowledge.  It's trivial, and has almost zero impact on how a person functionally practices their religion. And if everyone pursued all of that knowledge like I do, I wouldn't get to feel so smug and superior all the time. 
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    Chilean reacted to NeuroTypical in 5 Ways to Combat Shame in the Church   
    I think we're having a disconnect in what words mean here.
    There is a thing out there, a lie spawned of lucifer, one of the tools he uses to lead hearts away from God.  This lie basically tells someone that their worth, their value as a human being, is lower than it actually is.  When believed, this lie can drive all sorts of awful behavior, from suicide to divorce to inactivity to cheating on taxes to eating too many hamburgers.  Because after all, isn't doing bad things (or failing to do good things), isn't that what people of little or no worth do?  
    Anyway, the blog post takes that lie from the pits of hell, and calls it "shame".   Not to be confused with the other, more common definition of "shame", which is something more like this:

    That's very true. 
     
    It's important to feel guilt and shame when we do something bad or shameful.  But inappropriate shame is also a thing.  You can tell which one you have, because one motivates you to get off your butt and turn to God, and the other one tells you to do the opposite.
     
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    Chilean got a reaction from Midwest LDS in Changes Are Coming! (or, Putting Up with All Those Weak, Lame-O Saints That Hold Us Back)   
    I am one of those that wouldn't mind having two hours church on Sunday, BUT I have thought about those single parent families, unmarried brothers and sisters, youth and children without active parents... I believe shortening Church on Sunday could help some families, but maybe not those that are not the "regular Mormon family".
    I teach the lesson on the 4th Sunday. I've missed RS this past 3 Sunday as I've been sick. Even though I been teaching about ministering over and over and over again this past 6 months... do you know how many people/sisters actually ministered to me this past 3-4 weeks to ask me why I've been missing RS? My point is, we are already NOT doing what we are invited and called to do, but yet we rejoice when we think less church would be awesome.
    We are invited to care more for our brothers and sisters (TRULY LOVE EACH OTHER), and shortening the time some members spend with others might hurt those that are some what afflicted or going through trials.
    I don't know, I'm just rumbling. I think we are far from becoming Zion, as we don't really seem to care about others.
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    Chilean got a reaction from goor_de in Changes Are Coming! (or, Putting Up with All Those Weak, Lame-O Saints That Hold Us Back)   
    I am one of those that wouldn't mind having two hours church on Sunday, BUT I have thought about those single parent families, unmarried brothers and sisters, youth and children without active parents... I believe shortening Church on Sunday could help some families, but maybe not those that are not the "regular Mormon family".
    I teach the lesson on the 4th Sunday. I've missed RS this past 3 Sunday as I've been sick. Even though I been teaching about ministering over and over and over again this past 6 months... do you know how many people/sisters actually ministered to me this past 3-4 weeks to ask me why I've been missing RS? My point is, we are already NOT doing what we are invited and called to do, but yet we rejoice when we think less church would be awesome.
    We are invited to care more for our brothers and sisters (TRULY LOVE EACH OTHER), and shortening the time some members spend with others might hurt those that are some what afflicted or going through trials.
    I don't know, I'm just rumbling. I think we are far from becoming Zion, as we don't really seem to care about others.
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    Chilean reacted to Grunt in Changes Are Coming! (or, Putting Up with All Those Weak, Lame-O Saints That Hold Us Back)   
    This is the point I have a problem with.  Will it really help them?  How?  We have agency and use that to progress our service and faith, or not.  What are people doing that three hours instead of two keeps them out of church?
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    Chilean got a reaction from Vort in Changes Are Coming! (or, Putting Up with All Those Weak, Lame-O Saints That Hold Us Back)   
    I am one of those that wouldn't mind having two hours church on Sunday, BUT I have thought about those single parent families, unmarried brothers and sisters, youth and children without active parents... I believe shortening Church on Sunday could help some families, but maybe not those that are not the "regular Mormon family".
    I teach the lesson on the 4th Sunday. I've missed RS this past 3 Sunday as I've been sick. Even though I been teaching about ministering over and over and over again this past 6 months... do you know how many people/sisters actually ministered to me this past 3-4 weeks to ask me why I've been missing RS? My point is, we are already NOT doing what we are invited and called to do, but yet we rejoice when we think less church would be awesome.
    We are invited to care more for our brothers and sisters (TRULY LOVE EACH OTHER), and shortening the time some members spend with others might hurt those that are some what afflicted or going through trials.
    I don't know, I'm just rumbling. I think we are far from becoming Zion, as we don't really seem to care about others.
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    Chilean reacted to Vort in Changes Are Coming! (or, Putting Up with All Those Weak, Lame-O Saints That Hold Us Back)   
    I have heard the conversation about two-hour blocks of Sunday meetings for many years. Speculation has ramped up significantly since April General Conference. I admit with some shame that I have listened to this speculation with more than a little distaste. The attitude displayed has had a pronounced bent of "Wouldn't it be GREAT if we didn't have to spend THREE WHOLE HOURS at Church on Sunday?!"
    While this is without doubt a lousy attitude for people to have, condemnation might be a bit of an overreaction. In this thread, I speak to any who might feel like I have felt, that many Church members are openly hoping and even campaigning for a "dumbing down" of Church expectations, seeing the status quo as just too difficult. Our thinking goes something like this:
    The proof of God's love for us is in the commandments he gives us. The Lord himself, speaking of faithful Saints, openly stated:
    When the Lord seeks to bless us, he does so by giving us commandments. One of those commandments is to attend our Church services. How can any faithful Saint view that as something other than a glorious blessing? Furthermore, any Saint that would call for a removal or "easing" of commandments is, by definition, attempting to lessen the blessings we receive from heaven!
    The most obvious response is: Maybe you're wrong. Maybe such changes simply would not be a lessening of blessings at all. Maybe you're biased and off-base. And I freely admit this is a distinct possibility, probably the first thing that came to mind.
    But even assuming the assumption is correct, I still think it's wrong in several ways. I see nothing illogical or wrong with the reasoning presented above, as far as it goes. But I believe it misses a larger underlying point that we must keep in mind.
    Some years ago, I heard or read an address given by, I think, Elder Packer, where he talked about a seminary program that was wildly successful. But it was impossible to expand it Church-wide. The alternative was a more general but much less effective program that could be rolled out to everyone. The latter was chosen.
    The moral was this: A B- program that helps millions is better than an A+ program that helps hundreds.
    Let us suppose for a moment that we (those who would rue such changes) are right, that such changes would in fact constitute a diminution of the blessings we are now receiving. Let's also suppose that the coming General Conference brings exactly such changes. What is the appropriate way to approach this? I have a couple of immediate thoughts.
    First, the fact that Blessing X is reduced is not, by itself, very important. Perhaps Blessing Y comes into play, which more than makes up for the loss. So rather than mourning the loss of blessings, we might instead anticipate the even greater blessings that await our faithful observance of what we're told.
    But more importantly (IMO), why should we complain about having to "go slower" for our brothers and sisters, even if that is indeed what we're doing? Christ himself certainly could have had a much easier life if he didn't have to put up with us. But he did put up with us, with infinite love and grace. If we suppose that we now find ourselves in a spiritual position "more advanced" than others, ought we to look askance at our supposed inferiors? Or ought we rather to love our brothers and our sisters, and look for opportunities to bless them? If a two-hour block would actually help someone who would otherwise be put off and perhaps miss out altogether on the blessings of attending Sunday meetings, might it not be prudent to just go the two-hour route? Is our own desire to spend an extra hour at Church really more important than ministering to our brothers and sisters in their weakness?
    Of course, this does not even touch on the fact that we ourselves are weak and foolish. Could we step into the Celestial Kingdom today, right now, and be at home? Or would the "joyful" commandments of that realm overwhelm us? If we are too weak and sinful to be in God's presence, shouldn't we be more patient and longsuffering toward those who might not yet have reached the level we think we're at?
    For myself personally, I assume I am at a point of less spiritual progress than many, and perhaps more progress than others. But our point along that path is largely irrelevant. What matters is what direction we are facing and how we can help others along that path.
    I do not promise to quit feeling irritation when people keep drooling for a two-hour block, but I will do my best to keep my uncharitable feelings to myself. I do promise to try not to take inordinate pleasure when no such announcement is made in eight days.
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    Chilean reacted to e-eye in article in Mormon Light   
    Good luck with that!
    I think 2 hour church sounds great but I think it will also come with us being asked to do more on our own studying with our family.
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    Chilean reacted to zil in article in Mormon Light   
    My friend at work (M) says she talked to another of our friends at work (I) who has a relative (X) in the Logan UT area who says that his ward (X's ward) is part of a pilot program trying out the 2-hour block.  They didn't get rid of any meeting, they shortened them (exactly how is unclear).  Sounds worse to me than getting rid of one of them - 20 minute Sunday School?
    Anywho, that's as authoritative as I've heard.  What they do, they do, and we support it, but if we chop everything short, it's gonna look to me more like when Moses broke the first set of tablets than like when Jesus gave the Sermon on the Mount.
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    Chilean got a reaction from Backroads in Education/Home Schooling and Elon Musk   
    Elon Musk is awesome. My husband and I were just talking about him the other day, and he's just a very bright person, super smart. Plus, he seems to be very nice and down to Earth.
    The Government is good for nothing, BUT our teachers are the best, and they try to teach the best they can with the crappy salaries, and crappy tools they get from the state and Government.  I appreciate those teacher because, I love my kids, but I don't have patience to teach, I wish I did, but I don't.
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    Chilean got a reaction from carlimac in Predictions on policy changes during conference?   
    My husband and I have a rule, we don't do anything on Sundays other than going to church. We don't do ministering, and we don't let others come and minister either. or anything like that. We would host dinners with the missionaries and their investigators, but as far as leaving the house to go to the Work, we don't do it on Sundays. Sundays is to spend them with family. I think we feel that way as me and my husband work fulltime jobs, and have 3 kids, and want to be able to spend time with our family on Sundays.
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    Chilean reacted to anatess2 in Hey I'm new here, just saying hello!   
    Hiya Tele!  Welcome to the site.
    We're pretty tolerant but we can be vigorous too.  The more you spend time here the more you get to know us and the vigorous discussions just becomes like 2 siblings snapping at each other. 
    Looking forward to hearing your stories!
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    Chilean got a reaction from Overwatch in Predictions on policy changes during conference?   
    My husband and I have a rule, we don't do anything on Sundays other than going to church. We don't do ministering, and we don't let others come and minister either. or anything like that. We would host dinners with the missionaries and their investigators, but as far as leaving the house to go to the Work, we don't do it on Sundays. Sundays is to spend them with family. I think we feel that way as me and my husband work fulltime jobs, and have 3 kids, and want to be able to spend time with our family on Sundays.
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    Chilean reacted to anatess2 in What to do about Pronouns   
    I understand what you're saying here and agree with you but like @Fether, one of my best friends' daughters recently became a man complete with the hormone blockers and surgeries and a girlfriend.  My friend is one of the nicest people you'll ever meet, she's so awesome I used to say "I wanna be you when I grow up".  She's the wife of my first bishop after I got baptized.  Anyway, she's definitely one of the ones seeking "the latter".  But because of her love for her transgendered son, she is attacking everybody who she perceives are not giving her son respect and acceptance so much so that she became an activist going to city hall and everything to legislate pronouns and attacking the church too.  I love her.  I love her son.  I just think she's wrong and because of that, she attacked me too.  I can't talk to her anymore because I can't be honest with her with my belief without having her feel I'm disrespecting her and her son.  The only acceptable thing for her is for me to say, yes, you're right.
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    Chilean reacted to Fether in Predictions on policy changes during conference?   
    Only the elect of God want a 4 hour church block.
     
    (Also just joking around)
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    Chilean reacted to Overwatch in God's Motivation and other Lost Boy Questions   
    I cannot guess what my Father does on His "free time" or even if He has any while a world is active. Since time pertains to mortals my mind just does not make sense of it all. I don't understand the complexity of our Family Mission and what it all entails. I do know that our Heavenly Father loves us. I know that through Christ we can be cleansed and exalted. I know we can learn the mysteries of God through the Holy Ghost. The test of mortality has been pretty crazy so far.  I am very much anticipating not feeling pain or getting sick anymore. In the meantime kisses and hugs for and from my babies, I am grateful to be a father. I imagine this feeling will only grow as I get older and my Grandbabies arrive.