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  1. theplains

    Questions about LDS rules

    In addition to the Word of Wisdom, Gospel Principles says "Our prophets have told us that we should not shop, hunt, fish, attend sports events, or participate in similar activities on that day." I'm not LDS myself, but if I were, I'd say it is important to follow the guidance given by prophets if it is supported by the scriptures. But personally, I would go on a Sunday fishing trip to share the gospel with a non-believer if that opportunity arose. Jim
  2. Her question looks ordinary and non-attacking to me. @CV75 provided a good explanation. Jim
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    Agency and the Atonement

    From what church teachings I have seen, God's plan for Adam and Eve was for them to disobey Him in the garden; otherwise the Plan of Salvation would have been frustrated. Apparently God chose disobedience as the means to start their progression. Or maybe, despite Him telling them not to eat from the forbidden tree in the garden, He really wanted them to eat from it and the Fall is not viewed as a transgression from heaven's point of view. One thing that is not clear is whether all the heavenly hosts were rejoicing the moment Adam and Eve partook. Jim
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    Missionary Work

    Yes. Thanks.
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    Opposition is a necessary part of learning and growth

    1] Page 6 of the 1997 Gospel Principles has this image of the pre-mortal life. Does Heavenly Father have a spirit body like his children are depicted as having in the picture (as they are believed to be created in His image)? 2] I believe there is only one God, anywhere, and He was never a man who progressed into becoming a God. 3] brotherofJared said Heavenly Father became God the same way Christ did. How do you believe these two became Gods in the same way? Thanks, Jim
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    Opposition is a necessary part of learning and growth

    The Religion 430-431 - Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual said Jesus became ranked as a God when he reached a pinnacle of intelligence in the pre-mortal life. The Book of Mormon mentions that Jesus, as God, took on human flesh; whereas Heavenly Father is taught (by Joseph Smith) to have been a man who became a God; and this God was not from everlasting. This doesn't sound like the same way that you mentioned. Thanks, Jim
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    Missionary Work

    In 12 Facts About The Gathering, #11 says, "Those who have been baptized can later receive a patriarchal blessing, which declares their lineage in a tribe of Israel." If this is a reference to a physical lineage, does this mean that there are no baptized members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who are not physical descendants of Abraham? Thanks, Jim
  8. In the context of you being an "eternal being", how is Jesus considered the Eternal God when he is taught to have become a God in his pre-mortal life? Thanks, Jim
  9. Do you disagree with anything taught in the KFD? If yes, which? Thanks, Jim
  10. Exodus 4:22 says, "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn." Speaking of David (verses 20), Psalm 89:27 says, "Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth." Jeremiah 31:9 says, "They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." What does firstborn mean in the above three verses? Thanks, Jim
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    Adam and Eve's purpose

    Just wondering if you believe she thought God had deprived her of the wisdom she sought when she ate from the forbidden tree (Genesis 3:6). I think that Moses 5:10-11 (if true) would be a little 'dig' by Eve towards God like Adam apparently did to God when they had this exchange: And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. Adam, instead of taking responsibility, blames the woman - but I see an indirect blame placed on God by Adam in his response. Eve follows the blame-game and does likewise and blames Satan instead of taking responsibility. Our fallen nature leads some to also say, "It wasn't my fault, the blame is on someone or something else." Eve knew the command not to eat from the forbidden tree and she voluntarily disobeyed it. Is that what you meant by your question? The reason why I posed my question was based on what Gospel Principles mentions in chapter 6: Great Blessings Resulted from the Transgression • How does the Fall provide opportunities for us to become like our Heavenly Father? Some people believe Adam and Eve committed a serious sin when they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. However, latter- day scriptures help us understand that their Fall was a necessary step in the plan of life and a great blessing to all of us. Because of the Fall, we are blessed with physical bodies, the right to choose between good and evil, and the opportunity to gain eternal life. None of these privileges would have been ours had Adam and Eve remained in the garden. After the Fall, Eve said, "Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed [children], and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient" (Moses 5:11). Were these blessings on Adam and Eve due to obedience or disobedience? Thanks, Jim
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    Adam and Eve's purpose

    I don't see that any change (fear, shame, knowledge of nakedness) came upon Eve even though she ate first but this only occurred after Adam had also eaten. Do you see it this way too? Regarding Moses 5:11 - And Eve, his wife, heard all these things and was glad, saying: Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient. Since Eve is said to have attained this knowledge of good and evil after eating from the forbidden tree, what do you believe she thought about God for forbidding them from partaking of it? Do you think she felt thankful to Satan and a resentment towards God who withheld this from her and Adam (when he commanded Adam not to eat from it and then reminded him again that it was forbidden - Moses 3:17)? Did Eve believe "having seed" and "knowing good and evil" were the result of obedience or disobedience? The reason I ask is because of the phrase "which God giveth unto all the obedient" which supposedly was applicable to them too. Thanks, Jim
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    Perished if they had remained

    When I add 2 Nephi 25:10 plus the introductory notes for 3 Nephi 1, it seems the destruction of Jerusalem happened roughly in the first year of Zedekiah's reign. Jim
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    Punishment at the great and last day

    What do you mean by a "state of innocence" in the pre-earth life? Thanks, Jim
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    Punishment at the great and last day

    Did spirits have agency (the ability to choose between good and evil) in that pre-earth state? Thanks, Jim