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Junior if you stop going to church to appease your wife at what stage will you be able to go back to church without hurting her feelings more or making her feel like you have chosen church over her?  It will only get more difficult as you will have changed your behaviour and then will have to change it again.
If you honestly (and the only person you have to answer this to is yourself) want to go to church then just go, things will probably not be as bad as you are anticipating, and if they are you will find a way to deal with it. There will always be a reason not to go - find the reason why you MUST go regardless of the potential actions of others.

I will only attend if the new president can't make it, and I have permission.  Hanging over someone else is not a good way to show that you have faith in their abilities. The Lord chooses those who are needed at a particular time for a particular reason.
  The new president will be WAYYY better than I am.  The girls run the program and are amazing.  
 
Back to Grief Society for me....... It was hard enough being in adult Sunday School after being released from primary.  My place is NOT with the adults in the ward!!!
So I plan on moving to my new ward, figuring out who the primary president is and being UBER friendly/helpful until someone gets the hint!!!  

If I could only have member friends, I would be scuppered.  We have very small congregations here in the UK and just because you share some of the same beliefs and values, does not mean you will necessarily have much in common.
Here in the UK finding anyone of ANY faith is hard enough with between 42-52% (depending on poll) stating they have no religious affiliation. Only 20% of the population report praying regularly...........  So we are a very peculiar people in this land!! 
Having friends to discuss matters of faith with is not something that happens easily and something we should all cherish

Yeah for sure, I used to resent her going to church. I didn't like it that she had friends there and it felt like she had a big part of her life that she loved and I wasn't involved in it. It made me jealous, I suggest you invite your wife to go with you even if she says no, at least she will feel welcomed into that part of your life. 

Hi chaps, just need a safe place to vent tonight.
I am moving out of the ward at the end of August.  I informed the Bishopric a couple of weeks ago so that they had plenty of warning. So last night I get a text from the 1st counselor asking if I can meet early on Sunday "for a chat". Today at a ward activity the 2nd counselor grabs me "for a chat" and I am being released tomorrow. 
I am NOT ready,  we have Beehive camp, the girls have fun activities planned over the summer I was looking forward to and as a teacher I will finally have time not to be running around like a headless chicken.....  *pouting like a small child*
So tonight I am making notes for the next YW pres, so that there can be a smooth handover....... and plan to approach the primary president offering my services for the next month
Trying to find the positive....BUT.... Really still just pouting.....

In situations like these, take the spitefully faithful approach.
Say “those girls are doomed, they can’t run the YW program without me. I AM the YW program!” then Wash your hands of the calling, pop open a cold can of Diet Coke, turn on the most recent episode of ‘Brooklyn 99’, and await your next calling (all the while fulfilling your other duties as a member of course).

Hi chaps, just need a safe place to vent tonight.
I am moving out of the ward at the end of August.  I informed the Bishopric a couple of weeks ago so that they had plenty of warning. So last night I get a text from the 1st counselor asking if I can meet early on Sunday "for a chat". Today at a ward activity the 2nd counselor grabs me "for a chat" and I am being released tomorrow. 
I am NOT ready,  we have Beehive camp, the girls have fun activities planned over the summer I was looking forward to and as a teacher I will finally have time not to be running around like a headless chicken.....  *pouting like a small child*
So tonight I am making notes for the next YW pres, so that there can be a smooth handover....... and plan to approach the primary president offering my services for the next month
Trying to find the positive....BUT.... Really still just pouting.....

Hi chaps, just need a safe place to vent tonight.
I am moving out of the ward at the end of August.  I informed the Bishopric a couple of weeks ago so that they had plenty of warning. So last night I get a text from the 1st counselor asking if I can meet early on Sunday "for a chat". Today at a ward activity the 2nd counselor grabs me "for a chat" and I am being released tomorrow. 
I am NOT ready,  we have Beehive camp, the girls have fun activities planned over the summer I was looking forward to and as a teacher I will finally have time not to be running around like a headless chicken.....  *pouting like a small child*
So tonight I am making notes for the next YW pres, so that there can be a smooth handover....... and plan to approach the primary president offering my services for the next month
Trying to find the positive....BUT.... Really still just pouting.....

You had me considering it for a minute or so. Then I remembered I don't even like briefly hugging people I'm not very close to.

First I need to admit to not having read all of the posts in this thread.  But thought I might give you some perspective on fuel prices.
In the UK we are currently paying about £1.35  a litre = @3.8 litres per US gallon = £5.10 per gallon. Conversion for currency = ~ $6.60
And we are enjoying a fall in prices over the last 3/4 years, I can remember prices up to £1.60 a litre.  A large percentage of the fuel cost is tax - Fuel duty is currently levied at a flat rate of 57.95p per litre , whilst VAT (value added tax added to all purchases except for a few exempt goods in the UK) at 20% is then charged on the total price (the product price + the fuel duty).  Retailers have a very small margin and make more money on goods and produce sold in the shop. The taxes are obviously a significant government income stream and rises are lobbied for on environmental grounds.
The bottom line is we pay because we have to, and suck it up because there is no other choice. OH and drive small cars
 
Enjoy your cheap fuel

NEWS FLASH: Man uses his money to attract women
NEWS FLASH 2: Women are attracted to man with lots of money
I'm just astounded at the revelatory depth of these news flashes. What next?

Patience is rough. We need patience in so many places of our lives, but at the same time we need to live our lives and not sit by waiting for something to happen.
In the scheme of things 6 years is not long  - HONEST.... Although I appreciate it feels like an eternity at the time.
It's good that you have general goals in your life, but I wonder what each of these things looks like for you? Once you have figured this out then you can look at where you are and what things need to be put in place for you to achieve these goals and how you are going to be able to achieve this.
Remember that there are many paths to the same outcome and the way you get there may be unconventional to some but right for you. See this as a great opportunity to find out exactly who you are and what excites you.  Your lack of motivation may be a sign that you are going through lots of self doubt or that you genuinely need to find a different course.  Who can you talk to in "real life" that will listen and help you  explore your feelings and hash out the different options?

So, you think that people posting on 3H are "environmentalists" with the scare quotes?
 
Glad you agree.  So... we want to find alternatives to pollutants in effluents in the textile industry so we can be good stewards... but then you call that hypocrisy.
 
Will mankind destroy the planet?  Yes.  If God lets them.
But just because God's will always gets done doesn't mean we're exempt from living responsibly.
Your problem, in my opinion, is you can't separate the politics out of the environmentalism.  Whether the political rhetoric is on the left or on the right it is the same - it does not belong in our efforts to be good stewards by the simple act of choosing the clothes in our closet.  Nobody here is forcing you or telling you or virtue signalling you to go through your closet.

I think it might be a cultural thing, I guess I am not used to the directness. I am also naturally a very reserved person and don't like to rile people, especially those I don't know.
British sarcasm is a thing to be enjoyed with friends and with the benefit of vocal tones and facial expression. Its difficult to judge peoples tone and intention from the written word; and trying not to offend people as I am not a regular poster
 

Mikbone, my proposal is to be informed. I obviously have to wear the clothing, but if I am aware that there are potentially environmentally damaging processes involved I can fill in the feedback form on LDS.org.   I am not one who does outraged and certainly not upset with church leaders and sorry if any of posts have come across that way.  I am aware that here in europe there is a lot of support for environmental causes and anything that can be construed against these can be taken out of context and used negatively against the church.
Awareness campaigns certainly work in the UK, thinking vaccinations, breast screening, reduction of using plastics, increased recycling, prostate cancer, cervical cancer screening, blood donation, organ donation.  NO idea about the US

Ah crap... I’m already at the bottom of the woke chain, being a Straight white Christian republican carnivore pro-gun pro-life male...add polyester wearing to that list and what do I have left?

I can understand that.  I'm Bisaya.  It's a direct culture - the polar opposite of the refined English culture.  In Bisaya, you mean what you say and say what you mean in the least number of syllables possible which the English think is "so tacky".  But we do have something in common with the English - we thrive on sarcasm.  But the English have this strange ability to dish sarcasm in dulcet tones whereas the Bisaya is just brass and crass.  Hah hah.

I think it might be a cultural thing, I guess I am not used to the directness. I am also naturally a very reserved person and don't like to rile people, especially those I don't know.
British sarcasm is a thing to be enjoyed with friends and with the benefit of vocal tones and facial expression. Its difficult to judge peoples tone and intention from the written word; and trying not to offend people as I am not a regular poster
 

WHOA I go to dinner and come back to an angry thread!!
In the UK there is currently a big push for a more sustainable clothing industry, so I have been considering my options. My conscience has been pricked by a number of the issues associated with textile production.  I was just looking for information about the sustainability of clothing that I wear and have struggled to find anything at all about the production of church clothing. 
Mikbone I have mixed up the issues associated with all of the textiles used. I am in no way implying that the church is single handedly causing environmental havoc or contributing to fast fashion - I was talking about the considerations for my whole wardrobe. Sorry for the confusion I caused by mixing these details.
Mores Sorry if you saw my posting as virtue signalling (I had to go Google what that meant), It was an honest question on a forum where I was expecting a pointer to gather information rather than what I have regrettably started. I do not post regularly but have contributed often enough for you to see that I am a genuine poster. The terminology of chemical bleaching is used by the textile industry as opposed to enzymatic processes. I agree  it is an ill used phrased bandied around poorly and associated with many topics.
 
Sorry for getting everyone so fired up on what I genuinely thought was an innocuous topic.

WHOA I go to dinner and come back to an angry thread!!
In the UK there is currently a big push for a more sustainable clothing industry, so I have been considering my options. My conscience has been pricked by a number of the issues associated with textile production.  I was just looking for information about the sustainability of clothing that I wear and have struggled to find anything at all about the production of church clothing. 
Mikbone I have mixed up the issues associated with all of the textiles used. I am in no way implying that the church is single handedly causing environmental havoc or contributing to fast fashion - I was talking about the considerations for my whole wardrobe. Sorry for the confusion I caused by mixing these details.
Mores Sorry if you saw my posting as virtue signalling (I had to go Google what that meant), It was an honest question on a forum where I was expecting a pointer to gather information rather than what I have regrettably started. I do not post regularly but have contributed often enough for you to see that I am a genuine poster. The terminology of chemical bleaching is used by the textile industry as opposed to enzymatic processes. I agree  it is an ill used phrased bandied around poorly and associated with many topics.
 
Sorry for getting everyone so fired up on what I genuinely thought was an innocuous topic.

I blame my daughters.  Actually, I blame the weird dude in his early 20's walking up to my 14 yr old daughter at the Walmart and offering her a hoof bump because she was wearing a pony shirt.  I made it my job to learn everything about these people to see if they were a threat to my family or not.  Somewhere along the line I think I became their king or something.  One minute I'm watching Star Trek and being a dude, the next minute I'm tweeting back and forth with the show's writers, creating MLP music/art/stories, finding a brony buddy and going to lunch with groups of 'em.  I'm a friggin facebook moderator for an LDS MLP forum for pete's sake.
It wasn't just me - this is something that happens to others.  I encountered a random 6 yr old boy in my ward who liked it more than his sisters, but didn't want to talk about it because he thought his dad would be mad.  That presentation I gave had our new missionary come up to me and tell me he thought he was the only one.  
I'm glad somebody gets me, I honestly don't have a full understanding of the phenomenon myself.  We have favorite bands, serious hobbies, TV shows we obsess over.  If that's alcohol, MLP became my crystal meth. 
No really - be afraid, be very afraid.


 
 
 

A bad pun.

The overall message was being online makes you so cool you can cram three halfs into a whole and get away with it.  My experience was a bit different than Gator's, with a third of the audience old folks, a third already online, and a third having real lives and not seeing the point.  And the presentation was in 2015, which was the height of the "ponify everything" craze.  I saw a top 20 meme-tracking database, and My Little Pony did indeed crack the top ten for a span of time in '14-15.  
As for me and ponies, it was something like this:

Don't look too closely, lest a similar fate befall you.

Or the literal bus.  I'd be cautious of both.

Back when we were in our active baby-making days, my wife would get seriously irritated at casual Church friends and acquaintances asking us about our reproductive plans. Given this, I have a hard time skewering the author; my wife might have written a similar article. But I no longer agree with the mindset. I think we should actively seek to build such societal intimacy, even at the cost of having to come outside our comfort zone. That doesn't mean that our private lives become an open book or that we must actually answer such intrusive questions, only that we react gracefully to such intrusions, seeing them as a perhaps ham-fisted attempt at building friendship and emotional unity.