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  1. 3 hours ago, NeedleinA said:

    Looking for your thoughts on how to encourage members to renew their temple recommends?
    Stake leaders have spoken on this subject fairly recently, several times, with little to no movement towards success. Members just seem to be rather resistant to getting it done. 

    Do people feel the need to only renew their recommends 'if' a temple is open? 
    Do you try to keep a current recommend regardless of temple availability?

    Are people lazy? Disinterested? How about in your area?
    All other key indicators in our area are back to normal or better than pre-Covid times... except this one area and we haven't been able to pinpoint if there is a common theme/concern yet. 

    Thank you!

    Yes, you should always have one current.

    Yes, they have always been lazy as well as disinterested. Covid increased the numbers a bit, but people are lazy with all kinds of things both in and out of church. I can't tell you how many requests for interviews I have had from people who have had theirs expired for some time...and only need it to attend a wedding they have the following day. They usually call me last minute as I am eating dinner with my family, or even the morning of the temple event as I am starting work.

    A sad truth is that many people don't ever attend the temple on their own. They only go to family fuctions to save face and look like they are good card carrying members to their family members. Our bishop used to allow people to renew their recommends even if they never attended church. This is no longer the case since the questions have been revised. We also have many folks who just don't keep the commandments. An example is tithing...lots just choose not to pay it. Even a former bishop of our ward around 11-12 years ago is currently in this category.

    We have not been able to increase our numbers despite multiple requests.

  2. 45 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

    Why is it that you can go to a convention of doctors and nurses -- people who should be the most educated people on the planet regarding healthy and unhealthy behavior -- and we see huge smoking areas filled to capacity outside of the convention?  Do they "know" it will kill them?

    Although a bit off topic, this is one reason why a separation (paradise/prison) and missionary work is needed in the spirit world. Just because people die, and are taught the truth on the other side of the veil, doesn't mean that they will automatically accept it and all will be fine and dandy. Folks will still think and behave in pretty much the same manner there as they do here.

    "Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world."

    Even if the Lord appeared to us right now, and we knew exactly who He was, we would not have a desire to repent or change without having faith in Him. Repentance comes of faith, otherwise it is of no effect/not genuine.

  3. 43 minutes ago, Fether said:

    Is knowledge meant to take the place of faith? Can we “act in faith” on something that we know, or is it just logical action at that point?

    Faith should eventually lead to perfect knowledge in something...whether the results are good or bad. However, in terms of spiritual things, once that knowledge is obtained the need for faith still does not just disappear or become irrelevant.

    Example 1: in the premortal existence, all knew that our Heavenly Father was God, and that His plan centered around a Savior. Amongst other reasons, undoubtedly there were some who (even though they had knowledge) lacked the faith to accept the plan laid out before them. They knowingly chose another voice over the Father's, many likely due to having little faith in Him, or the Christ that would come. Knowledge alone did them no good.

    Example 2: I, and many others, know that keeping the law of tithing brings blessings, but it still takes faith to keep this commandment throughout our lives. Even though we may pay it due to our knowledge, we are still exercising faith. Losing faith will eventually allow the natural man to take over, and a myriad of reasons (excuses) not to keep it, or any other commandment, will overpower your past knowledge.

    Once we enter in at the gate, all is not done. Enduring to the end requires faith. Contrary to what many believe, knowledge is not permanent - it can be lost when you do not use it. Spiritual knowledge usually becomes lost when faith is lost.


  4. Alma's remarks that you mentioned answer this question. If you have tested your faith by planting a seed, and it grows and bears fruit, then you have faith no longer...for you now know it was a good seed. There is no way you can doubt it when you are eating the good fruit. The Lord has also said that a good fountain cannot bring forth bitter water.

    Sight can bring perfect knowledge, and it can enhance faith, but, it does not guarantee faith...Laman, Lemuel, Judas, and the 3 book of Mormon witnesses are examples of this.

    I have never seen an oxygen atom, but I have studied about it from books and those who have worked with it. I am also a recipient of it's benefits every day. I know it is a real element despite never having seen it.

    I have never seen God in the flesh, but, a combination of many things (blessings that have come from keeping commandments, spiritual testimony of the Holy Ghost, fulfilled scripture and other prophecies, multiple series of crazy events that I'll just call "too much to be coincidences", answered prayers, miraculous priesthood blessings, etc...) lets me know there is a God.

  5. I think of the scripture in Psalms that says "who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord...he that hath clean hands and a pure heart." Obeying could be having clean hands - simply doing the right thing. Minding could be related to having a pure heart / pure thoughts; actually having a desire to do good and not just going through the motions.

  6. 11 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

    I imagine that if I were a youngish widower with small children, and were marrying another widow for time only – I think I would want my children to know that I had (re)married in the temple, if only for the sake of setting a good example for them to aspire to.  But of course, I trust that there are good and sufficient reasons for the Church to make the change that it has made.

    This is a good point I had not thought of. Many who are older wanted to set some kind of an example for their children and grandchildren to follow.

  7. 8 minutes ago, Backroads said:

    I can appreciate others finding it sad, but I suppose I'm personally more neutral. I'm one of those people that thinks the government may as well get out of marriage altogether. Let it be before family/God/community/what have you. Let the temples be about eternal unions.

    Agree 100%. Unfortunately it is the other way around. Government will continue to get more involved, the waters will become even more murky, and the definition of marriage will be soiled further.

    One day, He whose earth this is, will return and govern it properly.

  8. Nope. Some folks just wanted to get married in a sacred place, but had no intent of being sealed to someone other than their original spouse. It always seemed odd to me that time only marriages would happen there when the concept doesn't align with the whole purpose of temples, but I never really gave it much concern.

    Given the way the world is going, I do think this is one more step the church is proactively taking to try and safeguard marriage, and to prevent our church from having to participate in unions we do not agree with. Sadly, I also believe there will be no marriages performed in temples in the coming years.

  9. 2 hours ago, Carborendum said:

    The "sell" is that they are NOT straight, white males.  They are trans women.  And if you're a woman who wishes to exclude trans women from that movement, then you're a TERF and not worth listening to.  Cancel culture at its best.

    Feminists who wish to embrace the trans movement are ignorant of the loss of all the work of the past century for women's rights.  At some point, those who truly are loyal to the idea of women's rights will awaken to their awful state and blame "certain other parties" for the loss of those rights, never realizing they gave them up all by themselves.

    Agree 100%. What I meant to say was that if I, or another straight white male, who takes issue with this were to speak up they would just dismiss it should be women doing it in this case as they are the affected party. I could have phrased that better.

  10. 1 hour ago, Carborendum said:

    I posted this days ago.  And as I read the responses, I'm highly troubled by the fact that no one seems bothered by the fact that women are going to be forced to share bedrooms and showers with men simply because they are mentally ill (or are simply faking it).

    Instead of trying to work out a solution to protect the women, we're arguing about being compassionate to the guy who will be sexually assaulting the women.

    Sorry if I don't feel like I beling in this conversation I started.

    Ultimately, the women should speak with their feet and leave if they have concerns that are not being addressed...easier said than done much of the time I know. Women who actually care about women's rights need to make their voices louder. There is a 0% chance a university is going to listen to a straight white male in today's world. It should be common sense for women to have a secure place to use the restroom and bathe themselves. Sadly, in the future there will not be a choice in most places.

    The BYU Pathways program, and the ramping up of many online programs, is inspired. It will be of great worth in the future to many who, for a variety of reasons, will not or cannot attend a traditional brick and mortar school and the many "idiosyncrasies" that are developing there.

  11. 7 hours ago, Suzie said:

    NeuroTypical, do you mind expanding why would you find it difficult?  You mentioned earlier " If brother Fred decides he is now a she, and wishes to be called Laverne,...

    He does not get to decide. He is not a she. Period. End of discussion. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose. If it is essential, then it is essential - such things are not messed up by God. If someone feels that they are the wrong gender, then that really sucks, and must he tremendously difficult...but they are wrong, and I for one refuse to feed or enable their misconstrued thinking. You do not have to submit to a person's every request to show Christlike love. Christ Himself would not call Fred by the name Laverne. He would tell Fred what he is doing wrong, and encourage him to change.

  12. 2 hours ago, estradling75 said:

    My personal current, continuing experience runs counter to this claim.  I am in a business that performs surveys for long term care facilities.  We are not healthcare workers we are surveyors.

    I'm a nurse, and worked in LTC for a few years. Our management (like most I'm sure) would go absolutely bonkers when survey time came and you guys walked into the building. Nurses never got stressed out over you guys being there...we were always too busy to worry about it. It was our managers that always made us nervous from being on edge and paranoid the whole time.

  13. 3 hours ago, Traveler said:

    It would seem that things are not getting closer to a resolution.  From the onset of this latest conflict I have had the impressions that this is different than in the past.  Perhaps @Carborendum's post is relevant in that there just does not seem to be any pressure to bring Hamas to the table.  When I visited Israel the feeling was that if the anti elements towards the Jews were to cease hostilities and disarm that there would be no more conflict.  If the Jews were to end their responses to hostilities and disarm that there would be no more Israel.   

    It now appears that the hostilities have expanded into Lebanon.  There also seems to be indications that Iran is the engine of this conflict.  The question is - what will the USA do?  It does not appear to be much beyond rhetoric.  We will see as defense supplies become used up in Israel.


    The Traveler

    However things play out, the day will come when the majority of the world will be seeking Israel's destruction, and America will likely be among the number.

  14. 1 hour ago, JohnsonJones said:

    There is a great problem within the church today.  A study many years ago now showed that 25% of seminary students had premarital relations.  This is a seriously bad number.  This was over a decade ago.  I can only imagine the numbers are worse today.  When I was in leadership, I saw this firsthand.  We have a MUCH bigger problem with premarital relations of an inappropriate type among your youth in regards to those of the opposite sex than we do with those who are homosexual.  Both can be a problem, but I see the problems with the Law of Chastity currently as a massive problem among our youth and most of those are NOT regarding Homosexual attractions.

    In our ward and stake we actually don't have this problem, but the opposite (at least as far as youth/parents report it to their Bishops). Pre-marital sex is way down amongst heterosexual youth. The only ones that seem to be engaging in sex are those that claim to be gay. Our straight boys have 2 main problems - pornography, and slothfulness. All they do is watch anime and porn, and play video games. Zero ambition to do anything with their lives. The girls have more problems surrounding mental health and abuse of various kinds - depression, anxiety, alcohol, drugs, cutting, etc... Porn use amongst young women is also rising.

    The number of youth in our stake/area going on dates, and even interacting with the opposite sex, is falling. A counselor in our Stake Presidency is a High School principal, and he has said over the last 5-6 years that attendance at school dances has dropped off significantly. Our priests quorum has 14 relatively active boys, and only 2 of them have ever been on a date. The world is not teaching our youth the proper fundamentals of interacting with the opposite is teaching the exact opposite of what should be done. Women are taught that men and the patriarchy are dangerous and abusive, and will hold them back; and men are taught that women are a useless waste of time and money.

  15. On 5/3/2021 at 8:34 AM, Carborendum said:

    I believe Elder Bednar was saying something about this in some more affluent stakes that he visited.  It also causes those "elitists" to be so materialistic that they don't want to leave their Lamborghini to go on a mission.

    Although this is off topic, I was in a meeting once with the Presiding Bishop of the church. He made the remark that the real reason for 401k/retirement plans being introduced in the world was so that in "retirement" individuals and couples would be able to serve in temples and as missionaries while still relatively young. The Lord was providing His servants with additional opportunities to help each other. Church leaders feel sorrow that so few choose to serve missions in retirement, and instead choose to travel the world, go on cruises, buy new cars for no reason, and waste their wealth in riotous living. So may aspects of our lives are so easy compared to the tens of billions of people who lived on the earth before us, and even billions more currently living on it. How do we choose to thank the Lord for what He has given us? Do we freely give of ourselves, or just build bigger barns?

  16. I personally am not sad when anyone dies; not one bit. In fact, I look forward to my own death in a way. I often wondered when I was younger if the faith and testimony of others was weak because they allowed death to shake them so seriously. My uncle is a counselor in a stake presidency, and has great faith...yet hates talking about death because it causes him so much grief and anxiety...and I do not know why because he won't talk about it. At funerals he just keeps to himself as he is on an emotional edge. I have been around a fair amount of death however, and we all process things differently I guess. I have been told several times that I am insensitive for talking about death, and for not seeming to care when friends, or family members die. Of course I will miss being around and spending time with them, but the time we will be apart is really just a blip on the map. A child losing a parent is sad to me because their life will be harder for a time, but kids are resilient, and many come out on top. They will see such parent again, and if sealed, they will remain a family beyond the grave.

    My opinion of the Lazarus story is that Christ wept because He felt sadness from how much despair those around Him were feeling. It hurt Him to see others hurting. 

  17. 14 minutes ago, dprh said:

    Every morning, I yoke myself with Him and it's easy to do.  There may be difficulties and at times I want to fight or pull away, but when I tie myself to Him, it works out.  

    This is my understanding of the scripture as well. He is on the other side of the yoke with us. It is easier to have 2 pulling instead of just 1. Plus, He has walked the path before, so He can guide you along it to where you need to go, and He can help you avoid the pitfalls. Also, His burden is light. The burden you are carrying in the cart that you are currently yoked to will be lighter if you choose to take His burden rather than that of the world.

  18. On 5/2/2021 at 4:44 PM, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

    Any advice for those of us whose children are all becoming atheists because our ward is rather elitist and the teens snub our kids for being in the "poor part of the ward?" Yes, one of my girls actually had another girl say that too her. She also once bought a shirt at DI that she really was excited about because she used her own money. Her "friend" in the ward said, "we don't shop at DI because my mom said, that is where people go that are too lazy to get a good paying job."

    Frankly, if I did not already have a testimony I would probably be at the least and agnostic.

    The easiest way to get rich is to, of course, make a lot of money. The best way however is to save the money you make. Those are the people that are more likely to stay rich. We love thrift stores and still peruse the DI every now and then. I guess once I get a better job I can move up to Walmart. :)

    There are several very "well off" families in our ward. Multiple luxury cars and ATV's, boats, unnecessarily large homes, luxury clothing and jewelry, frequent lavish vacations, etc... Yet because we are wise with our money and don't spend unnecessarily, I am sure I have a higher net worth then they do. I know one family in particular that is over 1 million in debt, yet refuse to curb their spending. There are plenty of examples in scripture detailing how the Lord feels about the rich who are vain vs poor/humble people. This is a hard concept for children to understand and accept though as their minds are typically focused on the here and now, and material things.

    There is also a very wealthy man 2 streets down from me who only drives used cars, doesn't buy new clothing until his old clothes wear out, and their home is not grandiose in any way. He has paid for several members of our ward to serve missions...and almost no one knows about his charity. Very few know how successful he is given the lack of pomp in his appearance. The Lord doesn't care how much money you make...He only cares about what you do with it. I believe for some on this earth, that is a part of their test. Some are born into a life of luxury, and others poverty. Some are blessed with money, and others have many financial disasters befall them that are out of their control. How will each of them choose to react to their temporal blessings or shortcomings?


  19. 3 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

    Whenever Vort and I are on the different sides of something, it's quite a tragedy, because, well, one of us is not on the right side.

    Just musing here, but what makes you think one of you isn't right? Can't both of you have correct assumptions about the situation? Perhaps you both have false narratives in your thinking as well. We are all of course human. As divided as managing this issue is, it is important to try and stay on the Lord's side as His is the one that really matters. 

    His definition of marriage is the union of man and woman. Anything else is not recognized by Him, and will not bring lasting happiness. Same sex attraction is nothing more than a temptation to sin. It is never a virtue or a good thing, and has never been the means of bringing anything good into the world...only more anger, confusion, division, and frustration.

    Others have temptations to steal, lie, abuse drugs, etc... These are all widely why are some trying to give gayness a pass? The adversary is having so much success confusing kids with it; telling them that acceptance is love, and that if we don't accept them we are judging in a way the Savior told us not to. he is expert in distorting truth.

    It is possible that this sister just included her remarks off the cuff, and the RS pres were taken off guard. Unlikey, but possible. I do not like what was said, but will not condem the RS pres as they are more in the loop then I.

    It is also possible that the church knows what they are doing, and are trying to keep those struggling with this issue involved with the church. There aren't many better places those people could be. I know several parents who have children struggling with this issue, and who pray so earnestly that their children won't leave the church...that someone else will help them stay active. Sadly, most of them have left the church. Their reasons are weak and immature at best, but I am also not in their shoes, and do not know the struggle with that particular temptation. The Lord knows though, and He can help them overcome their weaknesses if they choose Him over indulgence.

    Unfortunately, for a myriad of reasons, the current young generarion just doesn't think or communicate in the same way as older ones. Sin is still sin though, and as accepting and understanding as the church tries to be, worthiness and chastity standards will not change. We are all learning and should do our best to help eachother along.

  20. 43 minutes ago, Vort said:

    ...What if she had said, "I am sexually attracted to little girls"? "I like to have intimate relations with dogs"? "I masturbate continually, as much as I possibly can, even in public (but I try to be discreet)"? What would have been the response? "I'm so happy you said that. I just loved your introduction."

    Sadly, this is the current view amongst some in the world today, and it will not be many years before this narrative will be openly pushed to the masses. After all, they were born that way, so why should we stop them from their pursuit of true happiness? God meant for them to be like that; He must truly love them for who they are, and so we should not judge them. If a child says they are transgender we should quickly give them hormone injections as young children to fix God's mistakes. Then, we can watch as they commit suicide as teens and young adults because their life couldn't possibly be more backwards and messed up.

    It is crap like this that at times makes me want to sign up to colonize Mars...just to get away from all the derangement and delirium we have on earth right now.

  21. 37 minutes ago, Vort said:

    "At the end of the day, we are all children of God...The heavenly Father I know and the Savior I believe in would never tell a mother to turn her back on their [sic] child."

    True words. True for lesbian children, and equally true for rapist children, murdering children, children who feel the urge to molest babies, children who bite off their own fingers, children who torture small animals, and so forth. Mother love is not stopped by such things; on the other hand, such things are not sanctified by mother love. So what, exactly, was her point? Do we have a problem in the Church with mothers not loving their children because of their children's moral struggles? I doubt it.

    It's sad that so many of the rising generation equate acceptance and tolerance for love. That when a parent tells their child they are doing something wrong, that they do not really love them.

    I have a family member who smokes...a lot. If I truly love him, should I allow him to smoke in my home as much as he wants, whenever he wants, around anyone that may also be in the home. Of course not...and he does not expect me or anyone else to. The same scenario applies to homosexuals. But they just can't seem to get over the idea that we can not tolerate their behavior, and yet still love them at the same time. The adversary is cunning and disguises many of his worst works as love.

  22. 6 hours ago, dprh said:

    Sorry, I quoted the wrong post I was referring to this one.

    I've always been taught to support and even be involved in my government.  

    As have I, and I agree that we should be involved as best we can. President Oaks' talk a few weeks ago was right on point. That doesn't change the fact though that our current government is corrupt and out for themselves, and possibly just doing the work of the adversary at this point. I am not saying we should throw in the towel or anything, but in the few years prior to the Lord's coming, it will not be easy to be a true Christian...due in large part to the evils brought about by wicked national "leaders". Their policies and plans are setting the stage for difficult times ahead.