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"So the last shall be first and the first last" and Mother's Day.Genesis 1:19 - 21"And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good."Assuming a linear time line for Genesis chapter one we can see that the animals were created even before Adam was made...... and Eve was created pretty much last of all just before the creation of the Sabbath ......... which to my thinking implies that women are set up by their Creator to fulfill this verse in a special way......"And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all." (Mark 9:35)"And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all." (Mark 10:44)Rick Joyner from The Final Quest :" As I approached the Judgment Seat of Christ, those in the highest ranks were also sitting on thrones that were all a part of His throne. Even the least of these thrones was more glorious than any earthly throne many times over. Some of these were rulers over cities on earth who would soon take their place. Others were rulers over the affairs of heaven, and others over the affairs of the physical creation, such as star systems and galaxies. However, it was apparent that those who were given authority over cities were esteemed above those who had even been given authority over galaxies. The value of a single child was more than a galaxy of stars, because the Holy Spirit dwelt in men, and the Lord had chosen men as His eternal dwelling place. In the presence of His glory the whole earth seemed as insignificant as a speck of dust, and yet was so infinitely esteemed that the attention of the whole host of heaven was upon it.............I remembered what a friend had once said, "When an omniscient God asks you a question, it is not because He is seeking information." I looked at the thrones. I looked at those who were now seated. I could recognize some of the great heroes of the faith, but most of those seated I knew had not even been well known on earth. Many I knew had been missionaries who had expended their lives in obscurity. They had never cared to be remembered on earth, but only to Him. I was a bit surprised to see some who had been wealthy, or rulers who had been faithful with what they had been given. However, it seemed that faithful, praying women and mothers occupied more thrones than any other single group." (Rick Joyner, The Final Quest).
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Dr. Lance Wallnau has the potential to become a major force in assisting Latter day Saints to connect and cooperate with Pentecostals, Charismatic Catholics and many other Christians.
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The L.D.S. wards in Toronto, Ontario, Canada may be in a special place to play a huge role in
setting in motion a huge increase in cooperation between Latter day Saints and Pentecostals.
...Quote."If like magic we gave every Canadian twice as much money as they have now, prices would double and no one would be better off." (LangleyMan)
Good point......unless we did this in such a way that we would end up with an INCREASE IN PRODUCTIVITY.... by all Canadians?!Economist Milton Friedman laid the foundation for this by suggesting anunconditional but taxable income supplement to all citizens and legal residents........all.......... His idea was that bureaucracy grows and grows and grows and ends upcosting more than the income supplements that the USA and Canada are giving out anyway ..... so............ why not make them UNCONDITIONAL but taxable........give that income supplement to everybody..........Encourage people to pay off their high interest debts such as credit card debt........To whatever degree this works this should lead to a boom in real estate priceswithin a hundred miles of every city in the USA and Canada.....which is an idea that fans of Pastor Steve Long are prepared very well to understandand empathize with.Quote"There will be a sudden rush to buy farms, ranches, and homes in the country.Thousands will attempt to flee from cities, hoping that a return to the land andnature will provide security. There will be a growing urge to "get away from itall"---and much money will be invested in land and acreage in rural areas bypeople who have secret dreams of raising their own food and cattle and ofbecoming self-supporting. The price of open rural land will continue to soar.Acreage within 100 miles of most major cities will skyrocket out of reach toall but syndicates." (David Wilkerson, The Vision, page 18,19).I believe that doing this from the top......using the Canadian dollar in Canada and the USA dollar in the USA has manyadvantages over the replica of the Worgl Austria Great Depression Economic Experiment inlocal currencies.Quotewhatcomwatch.org/php/WW_open.php?id=717"City in Austria Printed Local CurrencyWorgl, like many other European towns and cities, was hit hard by the Great Depression. There was mass unemployment; four of the five local factories had closed, and the people were starving in the streets. Nobody had any money to buy anything. One of the features of an economic depression is that there is not enough money in circulation to ensure that people can meet their basic needs, and in the 1930s, the shortage of currency in many countries of the world became catastrophic.The mayor of Worgl, together with local businessmen, decided to try to break this economic impasse by creating their own local currency. They printed and issued 60,000 Austrian shillings worth of local currency. These shillings could only be spent in Worgl, so they remained in the local community and were exchanged over and over again.The positive impact was immediate and surprising to everyone. In only six weeks, unemployment disappeared, all the factories had reopened and everyone had food. For the inhabitants of Worgl, the economic depression was gone. This dramatic transformation became known as the “miracle of Worgl.” Surrounding towns, inspired by the success of Worgl, immediately started printing their own local currencies.Sadly, the miracle did not last long. When the Austrian Central Bank heard about Worgl’s local currency, they initiated legal proceedings against the mayor and local businessmen. According to Austrian banking law, it was illegal for anyone except the Austrian Central Bank to issue money. The bank won the court case, and the mayor was ordered to shut down the local currency, which he did, under threat of imprisonment. The town then returned to the devastating economic depression of the 1930s, with all the human pain and suffering associated with this catastrophe. Factories closed, and once again, the people starved.Alternative Currency in the U.S.Irving Fisher, an American professor of economics at Yale University, visited Worgl before the local currency was suppressed and witnessed the ‘miracle’ firsthand. When he returned to the United States, Fisher spread the word by traveling and lecturing across the country, advocating the use of the Worgl ‘scrip’ everywhere. Inspired by his vision, hundreds of communities began issuing their own currency, and by 1934 there were over 1,000 local communities using ‘scrip’ throughout the U.S.Every one of these communities experienced a tremendous rejuvenation of their local economies. They thrived while others suffered. Fisher then met with President Franklin D. Roosevelt, proposing the implementation of government-sanctioned local ‘scrip’ in every community in America. When FDR consulted with his top financial advisors and bankers, however, he was advised to shut all the ‘scrip’ systems down, which he did. Instead, he borrowed large amounts of money from bankers, at interest, and used it to pay for the Reconstruction Finance Corporation and the other work-creation projects, which collectively came to be known as the ‘New Deal.’ So ended the last widespread use of a local currency within the U.S.This pattern of economic collapse and re-emergence of local currencies has occurred thousands of times in many parts of the world. When these currencies have failed or have been suppressed, banks have not always been to blame. Sometimes, local currencies fail because they have been badly designed or implemented. Sometimes, people lose interest in them when the mainstream economy recovers. But they have always returned in one form or another during times of economic failure.Our present world situation is uniquely different. Despite a relatively prosperous and stable world economy, a quiet monetary revolution has been occurring around the globe over the last 20 years. Awareness is growing about the flaws in our current monetary system, and people are re-creating viable alternatives. We are witnessing for the first time the worldwide creation of money systems designed by the people who use them, instead of by central banks." ( by Francis and Lia AyleyThe Truth About Money: The Money SystemIsnt There a Better Way?)I did begin a discussion over in another forum on this option......"Steve Long comments on Canadian election........" -
This website is exceptional.
http://ezekiel-temple.narod.ru/
QuoteA book of prophet Ezekiel
Chapters 40 - 48:
The vision of the Temple
and the City
"The LORD is there"
(Yahweh Shammah)
Since many have no idea that a description of the Temple given by Ezekiel is realistic, as many suggest that the temple described in the book of Ezekiel should be understood spiritually, here we give an accurate model of the Temple. All dimensions are taken directly from the text of the book of Ezekiel. We show how realistic the incarnation of the Temple, described by prophet. You can yourself download the file model of the Ezekiel's Temple, and you can use a program Google SketchUp, you can verify the accuracy of the model by comparing it with the temple described by Ezekiel. And you also make sure that the Temple can not be built in historic Jerusalem. That is, the only correct way to implement the prophecy of Ezekiel - to build a Temple where the Lord showed this Temple to the prophet: in the south of Israel on a hillside next to the bed of the stream, which flows into the Dead Sea near En Gedi.
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Deliberately turning deserts green through mega-scale desalination of ocean water is an alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that is catching on more and more. Isaiah chapter thirty five can unite us somewhat but any variation of a Carbon Tax is terribly divisive.Christians and Jews can come together in agreement about what was shown to near death experiencer Howard Storm about the year 2185. This sure does remind me of Isaiah chapter thirty five. This idea can help to unite The United States with the nation of Israel.QuoteHoward Storm ..... " The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.People, in unison, could control the climate of the planet through prayer. Everybody would work with mutual trust and the people would call the rain, when needed, and the sun to shine.Animals lived with people, in harmony.People, in this best of all worlds, weren’t interested in knowledge; they were interested in wisdom. This was because they were in a position where anything they needed to know, in the knowledge category, they could receive simply through prayer. Everything, to them, was solvable. They could do anything they wanted to do. " (Howard Storm, section four, The Future of the USA and the world)
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Here is a paragraph from the near death experience account of Mr. Christian Andreason that can assist in the unification of a high percentage of Christians all across the denominational spectrum.
I believe that I can present a pretty decent explanation for this from Ezekiel chapter thirty seven, Revelation chapter twenty, Romans chapter nine, ten and eleven and then toss in Theistic Applied Multiverse Theory.
Quoteh. Who goes to heaven?
In the end … believe it or not (sigh of relief), everyone gets to come home! Heaven is a place of ultimate LOVE. When we have learned how to become individuals that base our entire existence and consciousness around manifesting LOVE, we then become capable of entering the domain of the higher Realms of Heaven. If we do not practice Love, we can only go so far and we will be made to incarnate somewhere out there in God’s super Universe again and again (unlimited times) until we learn." (Christian Andreason, near-death .com)
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On 9/28/2020 at 7:47 PM, prisonchaplain said:
I know I may be blowing up the direction of this string, but, based on the title, two thoughts come to mind.
1. Yes, we can unite for particular causes. I've mentioned before that Rev. Jerry Falwell (Sr.) embraced LDS participation in his Moral Majority. It is easy to imagine Pentecostals, LDS, and perhaps even other faith communities finding common cause for religious liberty and social-moral efforts.
2. In terms of actual religious unity, I suspect that we can learn to be more civil, more respectful, more open to each other. We can stop with name-calling, and we can each ask the worst of our faith communities to cease with inappropriate opposition tactics and inflammatory attacks (and yes, Evangelicals--including Pentecostals--bare the greater guilt, probably by far). However, our doctrines remain very distinct, so I am not sure how much spiritual unity--other than mutual kindness and goodness--we can expect.
I woke up this morning with what I feel could be a major key to a whole new level of cooperation between Latter day Saints and
Pentecostals and to all Christians in all denominations who take the ideas of some of the more gifted Pentecostals seriously. Pentecostals are
involved in the Alpha movement so they now have friends in most major denominations of Christianity.
All Christians can agree that bringing somebody up out of Satanism.......
no matter which church they choose to join afterward is less important than
they at least return to Jesus and renounce working directly for Satan as Evangelist John Ramirez explains he did
in 1999.
A book by Ms. Mary K. Baxter has an idea that both Latter day Saints as well as Pentecostals can use........
Satanists are TREATED WORSE in hell.... than for example a backslidden Christian..... according to what was shown to
Ms. Mary K. Baxter.
Quote"Jesus told me that there is a place in hell called the "fun center." Souls confined to the pits cannot be brought there. He also told me that though torments are different for different souls, all are burned with fire. The fun center is shaped like a circus arena.
Several people who are to be the entertainment are brought to the center ring of the fun center. These are people who knowingly served Satan on earth. They are the ones who, of their own free will, chose to follow Satan instead of God. Around the sides of the arena are the other souls, except those from the pits.
The ones in the center ring were leaders in the occult world before their death. They were mediums, soothsayers, sorcerers, mind readers, witches and warlocks --- all those who consciously made a choice to serve Satan. When they were alive on earth, they deceived many and caused them to follow Satan and to sin. The ones who had been deceived are were caused to fall into sin came and tormented their deceivers. One by one they were allowed to torture them." (A Divine Revelation of Hell, The Horrors of Hell, by Mark K. Baxter, page 96). ......
..... "As Jesus was speaking, Satan was saying to his subjects, "Ha-ha, this is your kingdom --- all the kingdom you will ever have. My kingdom covers all the earth and the world below." I heard him shout, "This is your life for eternity!" While cries of regret came from the burning cells.
Jesus said, "My salvation is free. Whoever will, let him come and be saved from this place of everlasting punishment. I will not cast him out. If you have been a witch or a warlock, even if you have a written agreement with the devil, My power will break it, and My shed blood will save you. I will take the evil curse off your life and redeem you from hell. Give me your heart that I may unchain you and set you free." (Mary K. Baxter, page 100 and 101). -
I just read a minute or so ago that you Latter day Saints constructed the set or stage for the second season of The Chosen and I would like to pass on a big THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
That film series is PHENOMENAL and the numbers of people who are turning to Jesus because of it is going to astonish all of us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chosen_(TV_series)
QuoteFilming
Season 1 was filmed over 60 days in Weatherford, Texas, and used the existing Capernaum Village, which offers film set rental and live experiences for tourists, to recreate the historical Capernaum. The filming was supplemented by a sound stage and visual effects.[16]
Season 2 moved filming to Utah's version of ancient Israel in Goshen, Utah County, where The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints built a replica Jerusalem movie set to film scenes for their Bible and Book of Mormon videos.[17] This marks the first time a production not affiliated with the LDS church has been granted access to film on this set.[18]
Season 2 was filmed during the COVID-19 pandemic, creating challenges for film production. 2,000 extras were used to film the Sermon on the Mount scene, all of whom were required to obtain a negative PCR test prior to filming. Following COVID-19 protocols cost the production of season 2 an additional $750,000.[19]
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17 hours ago, LDSGator said:
Dude, this is the same test I took before I joined the church! That is so cool!
thank you for finding this @DennisTate
And I just read a few seconds ago that you Latter day Saints built the set for The Chosen!!!!!!!!!
Wow.... and THANK YOU!!!!!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chosen_(TV_series)
QuoteFilming
Season 1 was filmed over 60 days in Weatherford, Texas, and used the existing Capernaum Village, which offers film set rental and live experiences for tourists, to recreate the historical Capernaum. The filming was supplemented by a sound stage and visual effects.[16]
Season 2 moved filming to Utah's version of ancient Israel in Goshen, Utah County, where The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints built a replica Jerusalem movie set to film scenes for their Bible and Book of Mormon videos.[17] This marks the first time a production not affiliated with the LDS church has been granted access to film on this set.[18]
Season 2 was filmed during the COVID-19 pandemic, creating challenges for film production. 2,000 extras were used to film the Sermon on the Mount scene, all of whom were required to obtain a negative PCR test prior to filming. Following COVID-19 protocols cost the production of season 2 an additional $750,000.[19]
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I just found this article and want to be able to find it again easily so I think I will post this here.....
What Is This Thing That Men Call Death? Latter-day Saint Teachings About the Spirit World
Professor of Church History and Doctrine
August 18, 2010
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I am of the belief that moving a significant percentage of the USA film industry to parts of Israel can play an important part in saving the economy of both Israel and the USA. Here is an intriguing prediction from just over ten years ago that has off the scale "Artistic Value" that can be transformed into educational value, diplomatic value and yes....... ECONOMIC VALUE for both the USA as well as the nation of Israel!Could the faculty and student body at Brigham Young University in Jerusalem assist Israelis and Americans to come together to produce interesting and economically viable films based on the following intriguing message????????Mr. Mark Taylor :Quote4-28-11 Commander in ChiefThe Spirit of God says, I have chosen this man, Donald Trump, for such a time as this. For as Benjamin Netanyahu is to lsrael, so shall this man be to the United States of America! For I will use this man to bring honor, respect and restoration to America. America will be respected once again as the most powerful and prosperous nation on earth, (other than lsrael). The dollar will be the strongest it has ever been in the history of the United States, and will once again be the currency by which all others are judged.The Spirit of God says, the enemy will quake and shake and fear this man I have anointed. They will even quake and shake when he announces he is running for president, it will be like the shot heard across the world. The enemy will say what shall we do now? This man knows all our tricks and schemes. We have been robbing America for decades, what shall we do to stop this? The Spirit says HA! No one shall stop this that lhave started! Forthe enemy has stolen from America fordecades and it stops now! For I will use this man to reap the harvest that the United States has sown for and plunder from the enemy what he has stolen and return it 7 fold back to the United States. The enemy will say lsrael, lsrael, what about lsrael? For lsrael will be protected by America once again. The spirit says yes! America will once again stand hand and hand with lsrael, and the two shall be as one. For the ties between lsrael and America will be stronger than ever, and lsrael will flourish like never before.The Spirit of God says, I will protect America and lsrael, for this next president will be a man of his word, when he speaks the world will listen and know that there is something greater in him than all the others before him. This man's word is his bond and the world and America will know this and the enemy will fear this, for this man will be fearless. The Spirit says, when the financial harvest begins so shall it parallel in the spiritual for America.The Spirit of God says, in this next election they will spend billions to keep this president in; it will be like flushing their money down the toilet. Let them waist their money, for it comes from and it is being used by evil forces at work, but they will not succeed, for this next election will be a clean sweep for the man I have chosen. They will say things about this man (the enemy), but it will not affect him, and they shall say it rolls off of him like the duck, for as the feathers of a duck protect it, so shall my feathers protect this next president. Even mainstream news media will be captivated by this man and the abilities that I have gifted him with, and they will even begin to agree with him says the Spirit of God." (Mr. Mark Taylor, March 28, 2011)
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So basically what this question comes down to is this.........
if...Zechariah chapter fourteen cannot occur until at least one Jewish temple is built.... (perhaps two... and maybe even three.... )...and if
the Jewish people are going to consider somebody to be a modern Cyrus or Moshiach ben Ephrayim if they succeed in getting them a temple built.......
then.... will there be a mere human who is flawed and may not be able to walk on water........
but he builds the Jewish people a temple.
Several verses in Isaiah chapter forty five indicate a mere human and to my thinking cannot seem to refer to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus??????
Can it be stated of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus that he did NOT KNOW HaShem / The Heavenly Father?????????
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/isa/45?lang=eng
1 Thus saith the Lord to his aanointed, to bCyrus, whose right hand I have cholden, to dsubdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the etwo leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
2 I will go before thee, and make the acrooked places straight: I will bbreak in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
3 And I will give thee the atreasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy bname, am the cGod of Israel.
4 For Jacob my aservant’s sake, and Israel mine belect, I have even ccalled thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
5 ¶ aI am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the arising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
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Ezekiel 21:27
"I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him."
So basically as Mr. Yair Davidiy explains it......
....(if my memory serves me correctly)..... daughters of King Zedekiah of Judah.... in the time the prophet Jeremiah.....
arranged a marriage of one of them to the Zerahite King of Ireland.....
(a descendant of the slightly younger twin brother to Pharez the son of Judah and Tamar ).....
and the Throne of King David was transferred from Jerusalem to Ireland, (I think Tara)...and then on to
Scotland and then on to London.................
.... so now...... it is overturned one more time to Jerusalem.......
and Prophet Kim Clement identified ............... as a "David!"https://britam.org/messiah.html
QuoteThe Messiah son of Joseph will be the leader of the Lost Ten Tribes. He will be descended from Joseph. In a sense The Messiah son of Joseph may be understood to represent Joseph and the Lost Ten Tribes, as a collective body. By considering some of the deeds and actions of The Messiah son of Joseph we can gain further evidence as to who the descendants of Joseph are today. Some points concerning the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH that are to be found in the book “Kol HaTor” (“The Voice of the Turtledove” in Hebrew). This book is a collection of the sayings of a great and famous Rabbi (Eliyahu of Vilna) and his followers in the eighteenth century. The book deals with the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Rabbi Elyahu of Vilna is considered to have been one of the greatest Rabbis of all time. The ideas in this book “Kol HaTor” are all based on Biblical or related sources. Similar to Cyrus king of Persia “Kol HaTor” says [1.6.1] The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is similar to Cyrus the Persian Monarch who encouraged the Jews to return from the Babylonian Exile and rebuild the Temple. Cyrus, the King of Persia, in some respects may be considered a forerunner (or prototype) of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Verses associated with Cyrus (Isaiah 42) are actually to a degree applicable to the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH will be revealed little by little.
The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in some sources is referred to as the “Messiah son [descendant] of Ephraim.” The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is associated with the saving of lives and the rescue of Israelites and in this he is assisted by Judah and by the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. By way of Comment: The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH, as we have seen, is connected with the ingathering of the exiles. America and Britain both in their own way in the past did helped the ingathering of the exiles of Judah to the Land of Israel. Our Prayers Are Needed “Kol HaTor” says [1.24] “With our deeds and prayers we shall come to the aid of MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Through our exertions with all our might of self-arousal [arousal from below as distinct from arousal from heaven] we will achieve the union of the two messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID, ‘the stick of Joseph and the stick of Judah’ [mentioned by Ezekiel 37]. [The two sticks will join together just as Judah and Joseph will join together].
[In Ezekiel 37:16, Ezekiel was told to take one stick, FOR JUDAH. Ezekeil was then told to take ANOTHER STICK, FOR JOSEPH. Ezekiel was told in Ezekiel 37:17 to join the two sticks together. THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THINE HAND. The two sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) were to first become one in the hand of Ezekiel. In Ezekiel 37:19 God says that the two sticks SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND.] [Ezekiel says that] First the two sticks will become one in your hands and afterwards they will be one in my [God’s] hand.” [i.e. This means that: First Judah and Joseph should try to join together from below and afterwards God will help them from above]. On the same theme: “Kol HaTor” emphasizes The Two Sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) Must be Joined Together Through Our Initiative! [2.101] Ezekiel (37) speaks of the stick of Joseph [and Judah and the union of Judah with Joseph]. This concerns the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The Redemption is dependent on the union of the two sticks, the stick of Joseph with the stick of Judah. These are the two Messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. [It says: “Join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in your hand” (Ezekiel 37;17)].
At first the union [of Judah with Joseph] comes about through arousal from below by way of nature [through our actions] as it says, “Join them one to another into one stick.” And afterwards [the re-union is confirmed] in a miraculous manner, [through the hand of God, as it says in Ezekiel “they shall become on in Your hand” meaning they shall become re-united in the hand of God! Comes From the North “Kol HaTor” says [2.11] “His glory is like the firstborn of his bull” (Deuteronomy 33;17). The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH comes from the north side and will be aroused by himself. i.e. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH will come from somewhere in the north or at least to the north of the Land of Israel. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH will Defeat Esau meaning the forces of Europe. “Kol HaTor” says [2.17] The guardian angel of Esau will be pulled down by the guardian angel of Joseph (This is also spoken about in the Biblical Book of Obadiah. We will discuss this subject and the Book of Obadiah in another talk). Expands Borders of Israel, Wars Against Amalek “Kol HaTor” says [2.36] “Enlarge the place of your tent and let them stretch forth the curtains of your habitations...” (Isaiah 54;2). The commandment to expand the borders [of Israel] is part of the task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH has the duty of waging war against Amalek and of expanding the borders of Israel and of protecting Israel from destruction. Comment: “Amalek” represents anti-Semitism and the attempt to exterminate the Jewish people. Britain and America in the 19th and early 20th century did often attempt to protect the Jews in Europe from Anti-Semitism. In the Second World War Britain and the USA defeated Nazi Germany and Japan. Nazi Germany had planned to exterminate the Jewish people and did murder one-third of the total Jewish population in the World at that time. -
Will a human and flawed Elijah be here soon to set the stage for the fulfillment of Zechariah chapter fourteen?
Or has the world already been given the final Elijah?
The writings of Orthodox Jewish historian and scholar Yair Davidiy are interesting at least.
Yair Davidiy:
https://britam.org/messiah.html
QuoteSince the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 the USA has often helped protect the State of Israel from destruction. The USA has not however really helped Israel expand her borders. On the contrary the USA has often forced Israel to give up territories it had liberated and to constrict her borders, but maybe that will change. Maybe the USA and Britain will help Israel expand her borders in the future as the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is supposed to do. Ingathers the Exiles “Kol HaTor” says [2.40] “His [i.e. Joseph’s] bow abode in strength” (Genesis 49;24). This should be an important principle for us. We have to stand obstinately strong in the holy work of gathering in the exiles which is the task of the first redeemer [i.e. of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]. Purifies the Land of Israel “Kol HaTor” says [2.41] “And Joseph was governor over the land” (Genesis 42;6). This means he will overcome all the forces of impurity. This is one of the great tasks of the First Redeemer [of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]: to extirpate the spirit of impurity from the country by means of settling the Holy Land. When the Holy Land is not settled [with Israelites] a spirit of impurity settles over it. [When the Holy Land is settled with Israelites the Land becomes pure]. Joshua ben Nun Was a Forerunner “Kol HaTor” says [2.44]
The First Redeemer [MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH] fights against Amalek with total warfare…[he fights against the forces of anti-Semitism]. This was the task of Joshua ben Nun who was [a forerunner and ancestor of] the Messiah Son of Joseph. Aroused by Elijah “Kol HaTor” says [2.71] “Behold I will send you my prophet Elijah…and he will return the hearts of the fathers to their sons” (Malachi 4). One of the tasks of Elijah is to arouse the spirit of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Comment:
[Malachi 4:5] BEHOLD, I WILL SEND YOU ELIJAH THE PROPHET BEFORE THE COMING OF THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD: [Malachi 4:6] AND HE SHALL TURN THE HEART OF THE FATHERS TO THE CHILDREN, AND THE HEART OF THE CHILDREN TO THEIR FATHERS, LEST I COME AND SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE. -
4 hours ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:
I'll wait until the vaccine is actually aproved by the FDA. Currently it is only authorized for emergency use. They have skipped all of the testing protocols, making the people the testing group. No, thanks, I am not a lab rat.
I am on a very similar page to you at this time for a number of reasons!!!!!
"Is Israel facing the biggest Passover since 31 C.E?"
QuoteOK........ although I personally am on a somewhat different page than President Russell Nelson on this particular issue.........I want to wait as long as I can before I take a vaccine. ......1. One of the reasons for this is that I feel the vaccines were rushed........2. Another reason is that my province Nova Scotia, has an astonishingly low incidence of Covid 19 infection3. I feel a need to be in solidarity with those who DID NOT TAKE THE VACCINE somewhat like how the people of Denmark all put on yellow stars of David in solidarity with Jewish citizens of Denmark during the time of The Holocaust. I would like to be in solidarity with Christians and Jews and others who DO NOT want to take any of the existing vaccines at this time for ethical reasons.and in another six months to a year information will come out regarding which vaccines have fewer negative side effects.4. I am taking vitiman C, D3, zinc and MSM and I feel that I am unlikely to get very sick even if I did somehow get infected with Covid 19But....... I FEEL THAT LATTER DAY SAINTS ARE SERIOUSLY set up to assist all eight million Israelis to look at their response to Covid 19 as the ideal set up for a dramatic increase in investment by Latter day Saints in the nation of Israel. (Especially in the Israeli film industry)!DennisTate said: ↑My recommendation is:
On pages 137 to 170 in this book.....the number one cause of anti-Semitism by Christians over these past eighteen centuries is addressed.........(brilliantly I might add)....... and it could be argued that the author also address anti- Semitic activity by Muslims........ over the past twelve centuries.........
Here is a good example of the type of literature that can win the Nobel Prize for Literature:
I admit that I may be biased.... but I do believe that Dr. MacDonald has even Winston beat in this category...... because three to five centuries from now more humans will be aware of what Dr. MacDonald wrote than will be aware of what Winston did.
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/1953/summary/
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On 1/19/2021 at 4:24 PM, NeuroTypical said:
Thank you for drawing my attention to what President Nelson decided to do........
I am not yet a Latter day Saint, I am a Messianic Gentile, and when I listen to near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava I do not
have the level of wisdom and understanding to hear any significant errors.
I write a lot and I would love to submit an explanation to President Nelson entitled "Unified Field Theory of Modern World Problems" based on
Latter day Saints assisting hundreds and thousands if not tens of thousands of Israelis to become employed in reality film project where they
star as themselves!
I linked an article on President Nelson being vaccinated into this discussion on another forum......
I would like to meet with President Nelson and / or any other leaders in the LDS church willing to tape my explanation for this idea. I attend the
New Glasgow, N.S., Canada ward when I can..... but I make it a priority to take my wife to her Pentecostal church most of the time.
"Is Israel facing the biggest Passover since 31 C.E?"
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On 3/24/2021 at 1:33 PM, Jonah said:
Would someone clarify this section.
D&C 17
Introductory notes - 1–4, By faith the Three Witnesses will see the plates and other
sacred items;"Behold, I say unto you, that you must rely upon my word, which if you do with full
purpose of heart, you shall have a view of the plates, and also of the breastplate,
the sword of Laban, the Urim and Thummim, which were given to the brother of Jared
upon the mount, when he talked with the Lord face to face, and the miraculous directors
which were given to Lehi while in the wilderness, on the borders of the Red Sea".Is there a record of the 3 Witnesses ever seeing the sword of Laban or Lehi's
directors?Which of the mentioned items (plates, breastplate, sword, Urim and Thummim) were
given to Jared's brother upon the mount? When I read Ether 6:1-2, he goes to the
mount and comes back from the mount with only the stones.Jonah
Ah yes.... now that I have read the opening post it seems that there is virtually no connection between the Two Witnesses of Revelation eleven with the Three witnesses referred to in the opening post.
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On 3/29/2021 at 6:57 PM, Carborendum said:
I guess he got tired of people not jumping onto the elephant.
Pardon my ignorance.....
I am not sure what exactly is meant by "Three Witnesses" and I am wondering if the LDS has a teaching on the Two Witnesses of the Book of Revelation. Near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai says he was taught during his NDE that Elijah and Enoch would return to the earth during the Great Tribulation..... .and would eventually be martyred by the anti-Christ fellow.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/rev/11?lang=eng
Quote3 And I will give apower unto my two bwitnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to aturn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all bplagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall aovercome them, and bkill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was acrucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great aearthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
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3 hours ago, e v e said:
life review implies life here is what God planned. Any being conducting life review on a deceased is of the satanic realm.
God doesn’t do life review.
Thank you for this interesting comment.....
I am wondering what you mean by this?
What about the Life Review of near death experiencer Howard Storm? Do you think that it was probably done by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus or by Satan?
https://near-death.com/howard-storm-nde/2. A Rescue from Hell by Jesus Christ
Now I didn’t know if I was even in the world. But I did know that I was here. I was real, all my senses worked too painfully well. I didn’t know how I had arrived here. There was no direction to follow even if I had been physically able to move. The agony that I had suffered during the day was nothing compared to what I was feeling now. I knew then that this was the absolute end of my existence, and it was more horrible than anything I could possibly have imagined.
Then a most unusual thing happened. I heard very clearly, once again in my own voice, something that I had learned in nursery Sunday School. It was the little song, “Jesus loves me, yes I know …” and it kept repeating. I don’t know why, but all of a sudden I wanted to believe that. Not having anything left, I wanted to cling to that thought. And I, inside, screamed, “Jesus, please save me.” That thought was screamed with every ounce of strength and feeling left in me. When I did that, I saw, off in the darkness somewhere, the tiniest little star. Not knowing what it was, I presumed it must be a comet or a meteor, because it was moving rapidly. Then I realized it was coming toward me. It was getting very bright, rapidly. When the light came near, its radiance spilled over me, and I just rose up – not with my effort – I just lifted up. Then I saw – and I saw this very plainly – I saw all my wounds, all my tears, all my brokenness, melt away. And I became whole in this radiance. What I did was to cry uncontrollably. I was crying, not out of sadness, but because I was feeling things that I had never felt before in my life. Another thing happened. Suddenly I knew a whole bunch of things. I knew things … I knew that this light, this radiance, knew me. I don’t know how to explain to you that I knew it knew me, I just did. As a matter of fact, I understood that it knew me better than my mother or father did. The luminous entity that embraced me knew me intimately and began to communicate a tremendous sense of knowledge. I knew that he knew everything about me and I was being unconditionally loved and accepted.
The light conveyed to me that it loved me in a way that I can’t begin to express. It loved me in a way that I had never known that love could possibly be. He was a concentrated field of energy, radiant in splendor indescribable, except to say goodness and love. This was more loving than one can imagine. I knew that this radiant being was powerful. It was making me feel so good all over. I could feel its light on me – like very gentle hands around me. And I could feel it holding me. But it was loving me with overwhelming power. After what I had been through, to be completely known, accepted, and intensely loved by this Being of Light surpassed anything I had known or could have imagined. I began to cry and the tears kept coming and coming. And we, I and this light, went up and out of there.
We started going faster and faster, out of the darkness. Embraced by the light, feeling wonderful and crying, I saw off in the distance something that looked like the picture of a galaxy, except that it was larger and there were more stars than I had seen on Earth. There was a great center of brilliance. In the center there was an enormously bright concentration. Outside the center countless millions of spheres of light were flying about entering and leaving what was a great being-ness at the center. It was off in the distance. Then I … I didn’t say it, I thought it. I said, “Put me back.”
What I meant by telling the light to put me back, was to put me back into the pit. I was so ashamed of who I was, and what I had been all of my life, that all I wanted to do was hide in the darkness. I didn’t want to go toward the light anymore – I did; yet I didn’t. How many times in my life had I denied and scoffed at the reality before me, and how many thousands of times had I used it as a curse. What incredible intellectual arrogance to use the name as an insult. I was afraid to go closer. I was also aware that the incredible intensity of the emanations might disintegrate what I still experienced as my intact physical body. The being who was supporting me, my friend, was aware of my fear and reluctance and shame. For the first time he spoke to my mind in a male voice and told me that if I was uncomfortable we didn’t have to go closer. So we stopped where we were, still countless miles away from the Great being. For the first time, my friend, and I will refer to him in that context hereafter, said to me, “You belong here.”
(Note: Howard believes his friend was Jesus.)
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I just posted the following message to many Latter day Saint discussion groups on Facebook:
Pray for Israel and for Jerusalem!!!!Israeli mega-scale desalination technology can play a significant role in the economic recovery of the entire Middle East.There is an ancient Islamic prediction that this would occur at this time and this sounds like a much more effective way to address stabilization of the climate than a silly Carbon Tax that would do essentially NOTHING to address the threat of rising ocean levels.QuoteBook 005, Number 2208:"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, so much so that a man takes Zakat out of his property and cannot find anyone to accept it from him and till the land of Arabia becomes meadows and rivers."SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 25: The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab)This fits with Isaiah chapter thirty five and with an alternative theory on stabilization of the climate put forward by a New Mexico biologist and coach."After the Abraham Peace Accord turn deserts green..." -
2 hours ago, e v e said:
since the holy land is not upon this earth, I’d not put much stock in this or any other prophecies or opinions like this.
There have been times during my sixty one years when I may have thought something similar to this but.........
as of today, April 18, 2021 I am convinced that some sort of literal architectural complex plays some sort of role in the
fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters forty to forty eight and very possibly with setting the stage for the grand finale Zechariah chapter fourteen events?????
Here is a discussion that I got going on Sciforums .com that may appeal to some of the faculty and students at BYU in Jerusalem, and by implication every campus of Brigham Young University anywhere in the world. If Latter day Saints and Israeli scientists, architects, diplomats and religious leaders begin to discussion cooperation on this project rather seriously.......... your experts will grab the attention of at least a billion people.
Of course the fame that you will get from this has within it some dangers.... but.... should not assisting the Jewish people to fulfill their own full role in history be a priority for all Christians who take the following statement seriously?
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:Are we ready to build the Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight temple complex"
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On 4/16/2021 at 5:34 PM, Traveler said:
I wonder what is meant by a Cherub - which is the singular of Cherubim. One can only speculate why there is not a translation of Cherub from the ancient Greek for our English versions of the Biblical scripters - perhaps because there is none???? The ancient Greek term of Cherub was more closely associated with a type of g-d than a kind of angel. From my own studies - there are no symbolic powers or assignments given to the Biblical Cherub's of the Old Testament that do not correspond to that of Christ. In the first example in Genesis the Cherub was assigned as the "Keeper" of the way to the tree of eternal life - and Jesus said he was the "Way" to eternal life. We also learn that a Cherub is "Anointed" which is the meaning of the ancient Hebrew term, Messiah.
The Traveler
All that I know is that apparently some Cherubs can look like a horse ...... apparently a horse with wings.......???? I base this on the word Cherub in the Psalms combined with a statement in the Book of Revelations.
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind. -
On 4/3/2021 at 2:01 AM, e v e said:
He and His feminine spirit and all His (their) sons and daughters have and partake an entirely different nature than the nature of this universe, which belongs to other (satanic) elohim.
The only issue that I would have with this comment would be how to define the word "Elohim." This word is used in Genesis chapter one in a way that seems to link the Elohim in whose image Adam and Eve were formed to the Seven Spirits of G-d...... but angels were not all made in the image of God but were often quite different..... for example..... some Cherubim have wings whereas Adam and Eve did not.
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I am of the belief that a significant increase in unity between gifted Pentecostals like my wife with zealous and powerfully Holy Spirit led Latter day Saints will lead to a massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit over the coming years and months and decades........ and centuries............. and even into millennia in the future...... .this will never stop.
"Auditions for the role of Elijah needed..... "
"So the last shall be first and the first last" and Mother's Day.
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