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  1. myrmidon

    Face to Face With Elder Cook

    mebbe the lds youth channel had to pull it down for infringement???
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    Face to Face With Elder Cook

    That's what I thought.
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    Face to Face With Elder Cook

    They took the video down. From what I understand there was a bit of an issue where he supposedly called Joseph Smith the redeemer??? Not sure I didnt get to see it. I was going to watch it tonite. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=lds.org+face+to+face+with+elder+cook&&view=detail&mid=7C48A7C9F2A84E973F2B7C48A7C9F2A84E973F2B&&FORM=VRDGAR
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    Joseph Smith translation of bible

    I am waiting on this paper to come out- http://jur.byu.edu/?p=21296
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    "Socially responsible investing"

    Agreed we can make anything into a problem, but these companies listed are very close to pure plays in their respective industries with the exception or Pfizer and Rockwell and Crown. Possibly the Hotels may not be, but keep in mind in Vegas they give away free hotel rooms and filet mignon. It isnt because they have a sale on, it is because the casino is financing it. oh and thanks for yelling at the hound...lol
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    "Socially responsible investing"

    Thank you- and you are right. How hard is it to say whether or not you would invest in a tobacco stock or any of the others?
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    "Socially responsible investing"

    I think you would be proud of me.,, I followed your orders from the other thread and did some reading on my own. I would be interested to hear your opinion.
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    "Socially responsible investing"

    It is refreshing to see a few folks who know where they stand in issues even though others think I am a troll and those who respond are "fools." A few years ago I read something which discussed Plan B pills. I was a bit dismayed to find out that Pfizer (a stock I owned at the time) was a manufacturer of these pills. I don't get bent out of shape about much and I don't really worry about social responsibility in investing, but abortion is not something I can have any kind of part in to include owning the stock of a company who profits off of selling Plan B pills. I liquidated my position in this stock the next day. As for the rest of my situation above- it remained the same. I have never cared much about owning tobacco, casinos, alcohol or whatever stocks. If it makes money I ma open to owning it. Fast forward to this summer (someone above brought this up) I read a SLT article about $32B in stocks portfolios owned by the LDS Church. I though hey that's pretty cool. They don't hire idiots I'm curious what they are into. I always figured they had a good portfolio somewhere, but since all the finances are a secret even from the members, we can only guess. I took this source in the paper with a grain of salt and I had never been to their website before. So off I went, followed the links and read what they had to say. I took a random sampling of the companies they claimed to be owned by the church and went to their SEC Filings (13F which are required for holdings of $100 Million or more) and verified they were indeed tied to the church to include company contact persons who were employees of the church. These docs are not leaks, they are public record. I do have to say, they were hiding in plain sight. Why they are in random names and "controlled" by some low level employee at the Church HQ is a question for another day though. I checked out the disclosed portfolios because I wanted to see what they invested in. The church hires pretty good talent and I figured I'd get some good ideas looking around in there. Investing is not only a hobby of mine, but I have built a sizeable portfolio over the years. Since I have studied many companies I am familiar with a lot of names and ticker symbols. I am also familiar with the general business these companies are either known for or at least involved in. I will have to say I was surprised to see the companies I listed in my initial post on this. They do have many other positions which are not controversial. As I stated, I own them all except for the Pfizer one which I did liquidate. These portfolios are purpose built meaning they are not just some mutual fund round-up. These are individual stock selections with most being worth at least a few million each. These positions are no accident. Someone selected them for a reason. Now there are a few SP500 index funds in there and those contain pretty much every company listed in the SP500. Those are essentially mutual funds which are traded like a stock. I was actually surprised to see many of the positions there as their companies are clearly in certain businesses. There is merit to being in them from a purely investment standpoint, but one has to ask whether or not morals or stated morals have a place in investing. Me- if it is abortion, Monsanto and now Nike I wont invest in it. Before I invest in any stock I investigate it. If I don't believe in the business I do not buy it. Whoever put these portfolios together for the church selected these stocks for a reason. It definitely was not a case of just being random. People in this business also know what these companies are and what they do. This is why I was taken a bit by surprise. Why would the church knowingly profit off of this stuff? As a stock holder, you are the owner of that piece of the company. On to the stocks- Altria(MO) - Tobacco such as Marlboro, Copenhagen. They also own a wine business and a large stake in AMBEV (Budweiser) Constellation Brands (STZ)- Mega importer of Mexican Beers. They also own various wineries AND..... a very large stake in a MARIJUANA company in Canada (Canopy Growth) Crown Holdings (CCK) - Mostly produce packaging for Beer, Coffee and Tea. Also produces aerosol cans for various health and beauty products. This company isnt so bad. The Wynn Hotel - Casino Cruise Ships - Casino Credit Cards- they make their money on enticing people to become indebted to them. Our bisops have cut up tens of thousands of credit cards of people you and I are having to donate fast offerings for. These companies prey on desperate people. I don't on individual positions of credit cards, but they are in my 401K funds. Pfizer (PFE)- Cytotec abortion pill Starbucks (SBUX)- Coffee. Rockwell Automation - This is a cool company. Read up on their systems which help Breweries make their beer production of a higher quality and quantity. They do a lot of other stuff too, but the brewery thing was pretty cool. L Brands - Before the internet, the source of many a deacons porn stash. Victoria's Secret. Im pretty sure a certain kind of underwear isnt found there. Women can lose a recommend for wearing this in lieu of u know what. Brown Foreman - Producer of hard liquor for sale in 160 countries. My fav back in the day was JD. I don't recall if the Mariott Hotel was on the list, but they definitely dig the casino business overseas. I have been in them before. OK so here we are. So is investing in this stuff kosher to you personally? I have no problem with it, but I also don't have a problem with many of the activities. I am curious if folks have a problem investing in this stuff. Personally I don't, but I also don't publish standards of conduct and health codes which are lets say exactly opposite of these investments. A few of you know exactly where you stand without knowing much about this probably. You stated your position, I stated mine. Others? Now that we know the church owns them (well 99% sure) you can finally decide what you think. Maybe.
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    "Socially responsible investing"

    I feel they are solid investments (when strictly talking money) for the most part. I'm curious if you have a problem with them based on LDS beliefs, not their viability in a portfolio.
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    "Socially responsible investing"

    OK- would you invest in them? If so why? If not, why?
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    "Socially responsible investing"

    Cruise lines - they all have casinos on their ships Wynn Hotels - Also a casino Pfizer - They make a "Plan B" pill. AKA Abortion pill
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    "Socially responsible investing"

    He is telling me to seek out the opinion of others- I value yours what do you think?
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    More drama from June Hughes/Mckenna Denson

    I think the bigger picture is not whether or not Bishop raped her. It has been established not only by her own taped interview of Bishop and also the BYU PD interview that he likely did not rape her. She seems like a wingnut, but one thing was definitely established and I believe it is much more important that her antics. What has been established is that Bishop did acknowledge to taking her alone to a room at the MTC behind two locked doors. He convinced her in that room to show him her breasts and "she complied" according to Bishop. That much we know because he admitted that to the police. That language he used in his interview sounds much more like an exercise of power rather than trying to get lucky. "She complied." Sounds to me like he demanded she do it or at least he understood that she took that request as a demand. It may even be that she did it under duress which is not anywhere close to the category of hankey pankey. Some will focus on smearing her, discrediting her and what not. What is disturbing to me is few seem to really be all that concerned with the fact Bishop admitted to taking her by herself to a room and attempted anything with her. Being selected to be the MTC president not only is supposed to be inspired of the Lord and all, but it is a position of an inordinate amount of power. As long as I have been a member and as many Mission Presidents as I have had exposure to (many) it is very clear they are to be taken seriously. Anyone who has served a mission as a young adult knows they are taught to strictly obey these guys. Can anyone see this is a bit more serious than Bishop trying to get a little action? This is not only a big-time violation of his vows, but probably one of the most serious abuses of power one in a position of authority in the LDS church can commit. I would think it is clearly ex-communication material if it indeed did happen. We are more worried about her, her credibility and her past. It matters not. There will be no rape charges or trial. What are they going to do with him?
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    "Socially responsible investing"

    Thank you for your response! I'll place a mark in the "bad" category.
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    New Church History

    I already answered that. What about Dunn?