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  1. On 11/28/2018 at 2:47 PM, Colirio said:

    This has been bothering me in multiple threads where I keep seeing it repeated:


    The name of the church is:


    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 




    the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints




    Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints


    The "The" should be present and capitalized. It's a formal part of the name. 

    Okay well thank you for your input. I've never had anyone correct me on this since I joined The Church years ago, so I appreciate it 👍

  2. On 11/29/2018 at 7:45 AM, Traveler said:


     We are advised in scripture not to judge someone until we have heard them speak.  In short we should not formulate opinions about other's beliefs unless we are willing to talk with them face to face.  I have never talked with a Strangite - I have no opinion.


    The Traveler

    I can respect this. It's easy for us to judge others based on the little we know, but it's always better to actually talk to someone face to face and get real answers.

  3. On 11/28/2018 at 6:54 AM, JohnsonJones said:

    No, they are not a cult.  There are actually two branches of the Strangite church.  I think @NeedleinA posted a link to one of their websites (not sure, but that may be the one that is maintained by one Elder in their church).  At one time they had almost 10,000 members if I recall (this is all of the top of my head).  Today, many integrated into the Reorganized Church which is now known as the CoC and the other branch is around 300 members or less.

    Today, as far as beliefs, they probably are more mainstream in what they talk about than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Those from the Brighamites, or those that went to Utah).  However, as far as size goes, they are miniscule in comparison.  They have a fascinating history that in some ways parallels what happened earlier with the Saints before the sucession crisis.  In some ways, one could see them as what COULD have happened if Brigham Young had not brought the Saints Westward and instead chose to try to create a community in the East which still followed the idea of Translation, Prophets, and Revelation while remaining somewhat separate from the world.

    Any specific thoughts you would like to have me expound on?

    Thanks for your explanation. I've heard the history of that group was pretty interesting, and that The Church could've gone that direction if it weren't for Brigham Young. 

    Upon reading I noticed that they do have some different doctrinal beliefs than we have, with some being completely different like that Jesus was not the Son of God (a false belief), but I noticed that they go to church on Saturday instead of Sunday to observe the Biblical Sabbath. My question is, how come we don't do this? 

  4. I feel like you need to go back to the beginning. Back to where you and your wife were dating and not yet married. 

    Remember what drew you to her in the first place; there must have been a little bit of attraction right? Or what is it her personality that was attractive to you? Ponder it all, and write it down. That way you can review it at a later time and look at it on paper. We don't start out dating people that we don't like, or that we find unattractive. So that's why I'm telling you to go back to that time, because whatever drew you to her could help you out now. I've had issues with my husband too, and we've been married less than 2 years. I did what I'm telling you and it helped me realize that despite the issues of today, that person I married is still the same person I met several years ago. The same could be said with your wife I'm sure. 

    The fact that she came from a single mother household means that she has some deep-rooted issues that she needs to open up with you about. When you find her in a good mood (or at least calm), talk to her about HER. Her past, how she feels every day, what her definition of love is...get to know her again. Getting her to open up with you will alleviate a lot of the tension that you're experiencing with her. 

    Bring God into the marriage again. The problem with today's world is that people think they can have a happy, romantic marriage with lots of "love" but leave God out of the equation, and it doesn't help that movies and music portray that too. I'd say the first step to bringing God in is by praying together, every day. Even if neither of you feel like it; that's the time to get on your knees. 

  5. That's so rude of those members to tell you which ward you "should" go to. That's none of their business. 

    In regards to singles wards, usually they want singles between the ages 18-30 (sometimes 31, at my old singles ward there used to be a guy there who was 32). If you're older than that, then the family ward is the next step. Simple as that :) 

    Again sorry that you were told that, it's so offputting but sometimes people don't have filters. What can you do.

  6. I've explored the forums before introducing myself, so I should probably do that huh :)

    Anyways my name is Morgaine. My husband and I are newlyweds and have just begun our new life together. We are both active members of the LDS church, and are working towards enriching our spiritual lives. I was brought up in a fundamentalist Christian home, and converted to the LDS church when I was in high school. Currently my husband and I are both working full time and working on finishing up our degrees. I love horseback riding, classical music, and family ❤️ Jesus comes first in my life, and I'm trying to get closer to Him. 

    I've been a ghost follower since last year when this site was called MormonHub, and love to read the posts and give my input. Looking forward to getting to know everyone and explore. 

    Have a great day!!!


  7. 10 minutes ago, Bini said:

    If he requires me to attend church and such, we won’t be a good fit. I support him attending, that’s fine, but I have no interest in participating. Right now he claims that he doesn’t care if I participate or not.




    I think the good advice I am getting is that this whole situation is setup for failure. I agree. Thanks for everyone’s thoughts. 

    If he says he doesn't care whether you attend or not, give it time to see if he really means that. Why give up on someone you haven't gotten to know yet based on an assumption, you know? I'd give it a try if I were you. 

  8. 1 hour ago, Vort said:

    Of course not. If anything, the opposite is true. If I'm an agent representing a football player, then I act in the name of the football player -- but only when I'm negotiating with a third party. What sense would it make for me "to act in Joe Athlete's name" when I'm talking to Joe Athlete?

    That's not the same thing. It says in scriptures that we cannot go to the Father without going through the Son first; it doesn't get any plainer than that.

    If this wasn't true, our church wouldn't be called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 

  9. I feel like it all depends on you and the guy. You can make it work out but it takes two to do so, and a lot of commitment from both sides. One thing to keep in mind is when you are marrying/dating someone of a different faith, that it will be 2x harder to keep the relationship stable than if you were with someone like-minded. Don't get me wrong, people with the same beliefs face their own problems. 

    With that being said, it's good to start out getting to know each other's beliefs on small things. If you two mesh really well and actually have things in common in those topics, then it's easier to move on to getting to know their deeper beliefs. It's good to have this foundation before you follow through with something serious. To make it work out, I would suggest that you get to know each other's things that you have in common and dwell on those. Do things together that you like doing, go to church with him to be supportive (if it doesn't go against your beliefs to attend), etc. And he would need to do the same for you. That's why I stress that making it work needs to come from both sides. 

    Another thing to add (I could go on forever trust me haha I'm trying to refrain myself) is that you need to have some respect for what he believes. You don't have to believe it, but accept that he does and that it's his life. And he must do that for you. This makes it so when he does things to enrich his spiritual life, that you won't get annoyed or angry at him. Vice versa. 

    I hope it works out! LDS guys are great 😀

  10. 33 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said:

    NONE of your problems are caused because you didn't live fornicate before marriage.  And NONE of your issues would have been solved/avoided if you had fornicated before marriage.  Don't let anyone sell you the lie that you are like a shoe that needs to be "tried on" before making a commitment to.  


    Don't worry. I am totally against fornication and cohabitation before marriage :) that is a great deceit that exists in my generation and other generations before me, that living together is the way to go. 

  11. 1 minute ago, Vort said:

    @zil did not deny anything in the scriptures. Not sure how your exegesis of John 14:13-14 supports the idea of praying to Christ, when that is manifestly not what the scripture says.

    Elder McConkie unambiguously taught:

    We worship the Father and him only and no one else. We do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost...Worship in the true and saving sense is reserved for God the first, the Creator...Our prayers are addressed to the Father, and to him only.

    So in John 14:13-14, what do you think Jesus is referring to? When you ask for something in Jesus' name, aren't you praying to/addressing Jesus?


  12. 1 minute ago, Anddenex said:

    What this scriptures is specifying and how you are interpreting this scripture aren't the same. The term "in my name" is how we end our prayers "In the name of Jesus Christ - A-men." That is praying and asking "in the name" of Jesus Christ.

    @zil isn't arguing with "what's in scriptures." She knows what is in the scriptures and isn't denying it.

    There is only one time where Jesus's name is mentioned in prayer as an opening and that is in the Book of Mormon. This can be interpreted in different ways. I choose to interpret it according to what prophet and apostles have declared.

    It can go both ways. You can end the prayer with "in Jesus' name Amen" or begin with "Thank you Jesus for...." or "Dear Jesus, etc...". 

    I know that @zil wasn't arguing with me. Her and I were having a peaceful debate about what is written in scriptures. True, there are many ways to interpret scriptures but it's clear who we worship/pray to. 

  13. 15 minutes ago, zil said:

    Can you find any scripture or manual which says our prayers for forgiveness should be addressed to Christ?  I cannot (beyond the anomalies mentioned).  I find nothing but instruction to pray to the Father, including for forgiveness.

    Further, if one prays to Christ, do you include the " the name of Jesus Christ." at the end?  Cuz that would be a bit awkward.

    Just because Christ pleads on our behalf does not mean we bypass the Father and pray straight to Christ.

    I won't ever agree with you as I've never heard anyone else teach this in Church (nor would I), but your prayers are your business.  My position is clear, as is yours.

    I wouldn't call quoted scriptures "anomalies". Jesus instructs:  "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it". This is in John 14:13-14. 

    That's fine if you don't agree with me. You may pray as you wish. But you can't deny what's in scriptures. That's all I have to say about it.

  14. 6 hours ago, jewels8 said:

    I am so sorry to hear that you are going through this trial in your marriage.  However, it is better that it was caught earlier on than later, especially before children may enter the picture.  I am just thinking how I imagine you would not want your children raised with that kind of influence.  Having babies, daughters and sons with a dad that is focusing and "addicted' to those behaviors is damaging to his spirit  , your spirit and will be to their spirits, as well.  He might even, act out things, heaven forbid, on the venerable.  Perhaps that isn't something to be too concerned about for now, but you probably want to make sure that that doesn't become an issue for the time being, you have enough to deal with right now.

        It sounds to me that this husband of yours is not repentant.  What is it that attracted you to him?  Did you know he had these kind of tendencies before marriage?  Sometimes things are hidden before or a person doesn't realize the magnitude of a problem until later.  Sometimes people think that marriage will solve the problem.  Forgive me if you already answered those questions, I did read your post last night, but just started responding to it now.  Anyhow, bless your heart, I feel for your situation.  First of all, regardless of anything else, your worth is more precious than gold, more precious then rubies, you are  a virtuous woman, you are trying, you are loved  by your Father in Heaven, the Savior too, and I am sure many others. Do you have family nearby that are supportive?  And friends?  How about your bishop?  Will your husband talk to the marriage counselor and is there any signs that he wants to repent?  I am sorry if I came across as harsh.  It just sounds from what you have written, that he needs to have a major change of heart.  It can be hard to fathom why some men, especially once they have had the gospel, would delve into such things, especially the way you are describing.  I have had a friend  (she died of cancer recently,), but she had to divorce her husband when he started going to lets just say an unholy establishment, after other problems with pornography, etc.  They have 4 daughters.  It was an awful situation, and they were LDS.  I went to the funeral, and heard he was trying to get custody of his girls, and her family had been taking care of them.  I don't know what the outcome was, but I prayed for those girls and for him and her side of the family.  It was a situation my friend couldn't control.  She was trying to protect her daughters.   They had  a loving environment with relatives  and anyways, you could just feel so much love at that funeral and concern for the well being of her children.

     Your husband is not honoring his priesthood right now.  Was he ever honoring his priesthood.  What do you want in a man?  Did you ever have a list of what you wanted?  If your goal is an eternal marriage and family, which I believe in your heart it is, what do you think willl make that happen?  Have you prayed to ask the Lord what direction you should take?  Sometimes praying and then acting upon doing the best we can do, like seeing a bishop, going to marriage counseling, living our lives,  helps us see what truly will and will not work.  Will  he ever be willing to see a therapist?  Is it worth waiting a day, a week, a month, a year?   Could you get pregnant in that time?  What problems will that bring?  Raising a child in that household or joint custody down the line,  hopefully no abuse or neglect?  As far as I am concerned, when a man uses pornography, and this fantasizing, he is being unfaithful to you,  in the spirit of the law, at least, and it is a form of abuse,   Its emotionally abusive, at the very least, and probably has other reprucussions, as well.  Is this the spirit of a Christ -centered home?  Please don't get me wrong, no home is perfect, no marriage is perfect, no family is perfect.  And you are not alone in this struggle.  Unfortunately, it is a problem in society.  In our ward recently, we had a visitor come speak to us from an institution that works with teens who struggle with this problem. The church has programs to help adults and teens overcome this addictive  behavior.  There are also programs for overcoming other problems, perhaps seeing an LDS based mental health professional is a goal, that can be prayed for. Sometimes praying for things opens the way up.  I once had a problem, our car window was broken.  My husband wouldn't get it fixed for 3 months, even though we had access to resources, even a good deal.  I prayed about it more after trying to keep telling him we needed to fix it.  Finally, he gave in.  But if it doesn't work, or if you can't deal with it that long, and no one will think any less of you for it, you may want to ask yourself:     What would be the worst possible thing if there was a separation?   Sometimes it may give you space to think, feel the spirit, not have to worry about putting up with those things that make it so hard.  Your worth is not dependent on something so superficial.  You have so much potential, so much goodness, you have talents, and abilities and there are resources out there for you.  There are other valiant women who have gotten through some tough things that they never thought they would,  amazing women.  Perhaps the Lord will lead you to the help you need at this time in your life if you ask for it.  Sometimes life gives us things we didn't anticipate,  but remember, the Lord doesn't want you to be trapped, he can help you try to resolve things, help your husband if he wants to be helped, but your integrity of your soul is important regardless of his decisions, ok?  Just remember that.  I will be praying for you and for him.  

    Thank you so much! I do have supportive family and a couple of close friends, but it means a lot to have like-minded folks like all of you to help me out in this hard time. I knew him for many years before this, so I assumed I knew him really well. He always took his duties and the Gospel seriously, but would on and off struggle with curiosity to worldly things. I guess you don't really know a person until you live with them; and we never lived together prior to marriage. He says that I'm not entirely innocent in this because I knew what I was getting into, but in a way I didn't. I would've never signed up for this. But we've been going to counseling it he seems to be getting a bit better, and I'm becoming more patient. 

    We'll see what happens. I definitely believe divorce should always be the absolute last option. 

  15. On 10/20/2018 at 4:36 AM, Sunday21 said:

    @Morgaine I am so sorry. I was married to a man for 24 years who had a lot of issues, refused to get treatment and eventually became violent. I wish that I had left when he refused to get treatment. I would get counselling yourself. Go see the bishop. This is not the time to be brave and try to struggle alone. If your family and friends don’t know what you are going through tell them. You need their support. 

    Have you put your name down at the temple? 

    Good luck! 

    Thank you for words. How do I put my name down at the temple? 

  16. 21 minutes ago, zil said:

    Christ demonstrates that we ask the Father for forgiveness, and Christ pleads our case.  We do not say in our prayers, for example, "Dear Jesus, please forgive my sins."

    Though yes, there is the example of Alma, who asked for Christ's mercy, from Christ, but this may well be justified by the fact that he was acting on what he (Alma) remembered his father preach, and not on a lifetime of gospel practice...

    When it comes to worship, I think it ends up being all the same.  But when it comes to prayer (whether for blessings, forgiveness, or anything else), it seems pretty clear to me that we're supposed to pray to God the Father, not Jesus Christ.

    He does plead our case, which is why we need to address Him in prayer. The Bible mentions it countless times: “We have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world” (1 John 2:1, 2) , and "to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's" (1 Corinthians 1:2). 

    In coming to Jesus, we come to the Father. And yes, Jesus did teach his disciples how to pray to the Father in Matt. 6:9. But in His (Jesus' name). Keep in mind that Jesus instructed that before His crucifixion and resurrection. 

  17. 4 minutes ago, zil said:

    I do not believe this is accurate, nor that the Church teaches it.  Yes, Christ is our mediator, but I don't believe he acts as conveyor for our prayers - they go straight to God (the Father), just as Christ taught when he exemplified how to pray.



    No you're right, I guess I just worded it wrong. But when it comes to repentance/asking for forgiveness, we must address Jesus Christ since He is our Mediator between us and the Father. 

  18. When I pray, I pray to both God the Father (Elohim) and Jesus Christ. Because they are separate Individuals, and also because They are both in the Godhead. Jesus is our Mediator, so when we repent of sin or pray in general, Christ is the one who receives it, and then the Father. It's important to worship Both Father and Son and address them by name. 

    I agree with you that Protestantism and the Christian world in general (the LDS church included) have brought in a lot of pagan customs and traditions that should never have entered the church. Our major holidays like Christmas, Easter, and Halloween all stream from pagan roots, and these roots include spiritualism, human sacrifice to gods/spirits, and other things that are in direct contrast with our Christian roots. We see the family aspects of these holidays, because the Christian world has adopted these holidays and made them fun and seemingly innocent. God requires of us to discern and "dwell in the world but not be of the world". Which means we separate ourselves from anything that isn't holy. 

  19. On 10/14/2018 at 6:37 PM, MormonGator said:

     I understand. 

    To me, it's selfish if I demand my ministers time. My life is A-ok right now. He should focus on other families who have drama going on.

    I think that even if like is going A-ok, it's still important to have ministers visit and spend their time with you (or anyone in general who is having things go well) because in an instant, that can change. Life has a funny way of doing that. In happy times, we have to build up our faith so that in not-so-great times, we can draw upon that faith because it's so strong. That's how I feel anyways. 

  20. When we ask God for knowledge (doctrinal, spiritual guidance, survival, etc.), He will grant it to us. Matthew 21:22 says "And whatever you ask in prayer you will receive, if you have faith". After we receive this knowledge, it's our responsibility to put it into action. This is why we are called to self-reliance; we are relying on God to guide us so that we can find the strength to pursue the insight that God grants us to follow. We can't carry out His will without using our own mental/physical strength.