Plein Air

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    Plein Air got a reaction from Jamie123 in Police Reform   
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    Plein Air got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    I am not talking about authority, I am talking about obedience to a request by church leaders. You seemed to have missed that as well.
    Honestly, I am not really interested in presenting my case any further to  you. No offense. I disagree with you and that is the end of it for me. 
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    Plein Air got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    Perhaps you missed it that I am talking about Utah, where we were all told by the area presidency to wear masks not only to church but in every public area.
    And no, it isn't that simple. Sorry. 
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    Plein Air got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    What kind of message are we sending to the vulnerable members of our ward by not wearing a mask? Being one of those myself with maybe a 90% chance of dying from C19, the message I get is: "My desire to not wear a mask is more important than your desire to attend Sacrament meeting."  or "If you feel the need for everyone to wear masks to church, you should just stay home."
    If someone has a problem wearing close fitting masks, then they should try something different such as a full face shield. They aren't as effective as an N95 masks, but they do block fluids from launching at high velocity over long distances from a cough or sneeze. Though I do not support mandated mask wearing, I do feel the right thing to do is to always wear a mask at church and in private businesses or other locations where they ask you to. I don't have to go to WalMart to stay alive. I can ask or pay someone to deliver my food. But to deny me the ability to attend Sacrament meeting in a relatively safe environment is very wrong in my view. 

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    Plein Air got a reaction from Midwest LDS in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    Good one!
     
    Check out my new response when someone wants to talk about COVID / Riots / Moral Decay - "Sorry, I am not really in the mood to talk about that this year. Let's try again next year."
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    Plein Air reacted to anatess2 in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    Shoulda worn that mask...
    😂
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    Plein Air got a reaction from Midwest LDS in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    As the creator of this thread I vote to close it!  ✋  I am catching a whiff of dead horse stink. 
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    Plein Air got a reaction from Jane_Doe in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    As the creator of this thread I vote to close it!  ✋  I am catching a whiff of dead horse stink. 
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    Plein Air reacted to anatess2 in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    The virtue signaling is thick on this one...
    It's sad to see how much the quality of your posts have declined.
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    Plein Air reacted to anatess2 in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    No.
    What's the difference between 200,000 deaths and 200,001 deaths?  None.
    "Give me liberty or give me death" - someone famous.
    "Those who give up liberty for safety will have neither liberty nor safety" - another someone famous.
    "“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - another one also famous.
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    Plein Air got a reaction from dprh in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    I am not talking about authority, I am talking about obedience to a request by church leaders. You seemed to have missed that as well.
    Honestly, I am not really interested in presenting my case any further to  you. No offense. I disagree with you and that is the end of it for me. 
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    Plein Air got a reaction from NeedleinA in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    My choice as to whether I want to attend church, regardless of my risk factor, should not be impacted by those who refuse to wear a mask contrary to the request of priesthood leaders.
    Despite the directive about high risk people staying home if they choose to, which I believe was inspired, the negative message is still there. Technically everyone is at risk.  Let me rephrase them a bit. 
    "My selfish desire to not wear a mask at church is more important than your desire (as a normal risk member) to attend church."
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    "If you as a normal risk individual want to attend church but are concerned about members like me not wearing masks, stay home!"
    It is wrong either way. 
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    Plein Air got a reaction from person0 in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    My choice as to whether I want to attend church, regardless of my risk factor, should not be impacted by those who refuse to wear a mask contrary to the request of priesthood leaders.
    Despite the directive about high risk people staying home if they choose to, which I believe was inspired, the negative message is still there. Technically everyone is at risk.  Let me rephrase them a bit. 
    "My selfish desire to not wear a mask at church is more important than your desire (as a normal risk member) to attend church."
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    "If you as a normal risk individual want to attend church but are concerned about members like me not wearing masks, stay home!"
    It is wrong either way. 
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    Plein Air got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Police Reform   
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    Plein Air got a reaction from Traveler in Sabbath Worship from Home   
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    Plein Air reacted to Traveler in Sabbath Worship from Home   
    Not being at our dedicated places of congregational worship on the Sabbath - for those that may not already be aware may I suggest a Google search of "taylor and tyler come follow me" as a supplement to your Sabbath worship at home.
    As a side note - I have appreciated the sermons that @prisonchaplain has shared - If he has the time to listen to an episode of "taylor and tyler come follow me" - I would be most interested in his response.
     
    The Traveler
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    Plein Air got a reaction from Midwest LDS in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    At church today, only 2 adults did not wear masks. An older sister and a visiting 20 something brother. I was pretty surprised by the older sister not masking up. Almost every kid who could walk, wore a mask of some kind. In previous meetings according to reports from other members, at best maybe 10% of the congregation wore a mask as the high number and less than 1% as the low. The deacons did a great job passing the sacrament, leaning over the empty row in front of the member occupied rows to offer the bread and water so nobody else had to touch the tray handles. With the water, they had a second tray without the cup holder top on it so people could drop their used cups into it easily, without having to reach across or possibly touch the unused remaining water cups. I don't know where the plan for the passing method originated, but I was impressed regardless.  It was my first time back to church since mid March. It lasted about 40 minutes and included 1/3 of the ward membership, segregated alphabetically into three separate rotating meeting blocks. Three hymns including the sacrament song and one talk. It was one of the most memorable I have been a part of. After the meeting, we were asked to wipe down the wooden bench surfaces with provided sanitizer cloths in the pew where we sat.
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    Plein Air reacted to MarginOfError in who is the jerk, him or me?   
    Sounds to me like both of you are being jerks. It's very rare that the tensions in a relationship are the fault of one person (and when it is, it's usually an abusive situation). 
    Every relationship deals with these conflicts.  Successful relationships talk about them, negotiate priorities, and come to compromises that minimize the tension for both parties.
    From the sound of it, the two of you prefer to ratchet tensions higher in the face of conflict.  Start talking to each other more, and learn to say difficult things calmly and with compassion. Get hired help if struggle to do so (ie, marital therapy). 
     
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    Plein Air reacted to Carborendum in who is the jerk, him or me?   
    It sounds like you're focusing on behavior rather than causes.
    Take a look at what the causes are.  I believe you will find that even though you're "interested in the same things" you'll realize that you don't care about the same things.  You don't value the same things.  When you have a different set of values (i.e. what bothers you and what doesn't, what you are willing to sacrifice for and what you aren't) then you aren't all that compatible after all. 
    If you can start talking about those values and 
    1. Emphasize those things you commonly value.
    2. Make compromises on those things you don't commonly value.
    Then you have the potential to reach agreements on what your expectations should be.  If you can do that and be ok with those agreements, then you can make it work.
    If not, you won't.
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    Plein Air reacted to NeuroTypical in .   
    Speaking of 'running away from all this crap', my wife lost a little hen a while ago.  She figured a dog or coyote got her.  Then, the other day, well, we found where she had run off to:

     
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    Plein Air reacted to mirkwood in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    https://mylifebygogogoff.com/2020/07/when-satan-gives-you-a-revelation-that-you-dont-need-to-follow-your-church-leaders.html?fbclid=IwAR3fwnL_iA_OuCR6yQp3xms9dA9c1fCVuEDOHSQPUaBOY8ufpJFaLDLqpRg
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    Plein Air got a reaction from Midwest LDS in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
    Just one glaring problem with masks vs concealed guns, everyone will know you aren't wearing a mask!   lol 🤓
    Most if not all of the older sisters and many of the older men in our ward won't be attending church until everyone is wearing masks, or they will sit as far away from and behind the non masked members and likely leave early after taking the sacrament. I have no problem with staying home from church until this is over, even if it takes another year or two, letting the younger folks do all the socializing if I don't like the mask situation at church. If I get the virus it is highly unlikely that I will survive. Catching it and dying doesn't worry me at all. I would prefer that there had never been any kind of a shutdown. But my wife has asked me to do everything I can to avoid getting it, so, for her, I will stay home until the odds are close to zero of my contracting C-19. Of course by that time there will probably be some new killer virus, or two or three, out in the wild.