elfgirlkaname

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    elfgirlkaname got a reaction from The Folk Prophet in Is getting pregnant from a sperm donor not allowed in the church?   
    Seeming fate to remain single, at 33 I decided to use the healing power of the gospel, and especially the spirit of the temple, I volunteered to become a temple worker, and decided on a path to a really high paying career in the Air Force to be able to help my siblings and nephews financially. I gave up my righteous desires for Husband and children to the Lord. Right before I was to move back and start my enlistment process in earnest. I got a letter of recommendation from the temple president. I prayed one last time for a marriage and family and the next day met my husband! While maybe my story will make her a little sad/bitter, I think the answer lies in the Gospel and the Temple. She can plan however to take in foster children and such I think. But she needs to be practical there are many abused and special needs children she could help, but not with long work hours. I wish your friend will find peace. The temple is the best place for finding peace. 
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to unixknight in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    Late to the party with an unpopular view.
    I have a real problem with this.  Gonna be blunt here, and I mean no offense to anybody.
    I really think the "but it's a public health risk" argument is WAY overblown.  The vast majority of people are vaccinated, yet people sometimes talk about anti-vaccine adherents as if they're the harbingers of the pandemic that will be the doom of all humanity.  They aren't.  It's just not that big a problem.  No, it just isn't.
    Honestly... I think in most (not all, but most) cases it's a natural human instinct to want to impose control over others.  Libertarianism is the antithesis of this urge, while authoritarianism indulges it.  The vaccine issue is a way we can feel good about imposing control on others, and that's why even a significant chunk of the Libertarian movement are on board.  It's really, really easy to support curtailing someone else's liberty if you can do it with a good, convincingly emotional argument that has a dash of "it's science!" behind it.
    Sorry to be more blunt than usual.  I'm not pointing fingers at anybody and I haven't read the thread, so please take no offense.
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to mikbone in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    Thank you.  Just thru the introduction so far.  Love it.  Every time I read the phrase legal plunder I kinda do this.

    I asked my wife what she thought of Bastiat.  She is the legal mind of the house.  She said, “Oh he is wonderful!  We should have his words framed all over the house.”
     
    stupid greed and false philanthropy.
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to Traveler in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    For more than 50 years I have been influenced by reading "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat.  It is short and you should be able to read it in an evening.  Here is a link to a pdf copy:
    https://fee.org/media/14951/thelaw.pdf
    Here is an example from the forward in the link:
     
    The Traveler
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to mikbone in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su48a7.htm
    World-wide herd immunity.  We can’t do this alone. 
    And the possibilities of disease resistance / mutations etc.
    We thought we were going to eradicate tuberculosis a long time ago...  woops.
    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/tuberculosis-difficult-to-eradicate#3
    https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/tuberculosis-kills-thousands-people-every-day-we-aren-t-doing-enough-stop-it/
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to mikbone in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    Pretty sure I’m not preventing you from injecting anything into your body.  
    I treat heroin and meth addicts all the time...
    What I dislike is misinformation and anyone mandating or even recommending that the government mandate vaccinations.
    Fact.
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to mikbone in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    I freakin hate the flu shot.  As I already related, last year for patients over 50 years of age it was only 24% effective.  And it is usually is less than 50% effective.  That is just plain dumb.  
    I wouldn’t take the shingles vaccine personally.  Heck the only medication I take is Ibuprofen.
    Shingles is caused by the chicken pox virus that lies dormant in your DRG dorsal root ganglion nerve.  It erupts during stress and is associated with immuno- compromised health states.
    My recommendation is to avoid stress or let it roll off you like water off a duck.  Shingles sure is painful but is usually self limited to a couple weeks.
    The vaccine has known side effects.  From the website of the manufacturer:
     
    Solicited local adverse reactions in subjects aged 50 years and older were pain (78.0%), redness (38.1%), and swelling (25.9%)
    Solicited general adverse reactions in subjects aged 50 years and older were myalgia (44.7%), fatigue (44.5%), headache (37.7%), shivering (26.8%), fever (20.5%), and gastrointestinal symptoms (17.3%)
    Vaccination with SHINGRIX may not result in protection of all vaccine recipients
    And it is like $300 for the 2 shots.
     
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to mikbone in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    I hear ya.
    In my mind, I figured that if a third part of God’s spirit children followed Satan, there must have been some fancy talking by Lucifer about how his plan was viable.
    And of course his plan was never a possibility.  Lucifer did not know the mind of God. (Moses 4:6)  And it is possible that Lucifer was given instruction from a higher evil power...
    Anyways, in order to fool the third part, he must have come up with an explanation that was conceivably possible.  Likely he bribed some of the host but most of them had to be convinced.  Just like modern politicians with their campaign promises...
    Lucifer’s ‘plan’ likely required mankind to be simple minded perhaps like the rest of the animal kingdom.  Such that we would act with much less choice and more of instinct.  This would still achieve many purposes of earth life.  Obtaining a body, families, learning....
    But Heavenly Father does not want us to follow his exemplary life because of instinct, compulsion, coercion, or sense of duty.  Heavenly Father wants us to follow him because we wisely trust him and genuinely want to be like Him.
    It certainly isn’t doctrine.  But the explanation works for me.  I’m not preaching it.  But it is reflective of some of the indoctrination of many dictators on Earth.
    Remove choice, remove religion, mandate ‘education’ and destroy prior history.  Promise security at the expense of dependence upon the government.
     
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to The Folk Prophet in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    The primary public good ought to be personal freedom. 
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to mikbone in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    I follow Jesus Christ.
    So I give to Caesar.  But I preach and vote for limited government, and against the Nanny State.  
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to mikbone in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    I don’t think my comment implied anything else.
     
    “The contention in heaven was—Jesus said there would be certain souls that would not be saved; and the devil said he could save them all, and laid his plans before the grand council, who gave their vote in favor of Jesus Christ. So the devil rose up in rebellion against God, and was cast down, with all who put up their heads for him.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith)  Moses 4:1
    Yes Satan’s campaign was a lie.  But the lie that hooked all his followers was the idea that all could be saved via manditory compliance.  His followers followed him because he convinced them that he could save them.
    He still uses this technique by preaching security and dependence on government etc...
    Whenever anyone tries to promise me some sort of security I immediately stop listening.
    I believe in self-reliance, growth though work / critical problem solving, and of course the grace of Jesus Christ.
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to Vort in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    At the risk of beating the same drum I've had for years: Satan's "plan", such as it was, was to exalt himself by destroying the agency of man. That's it. There was no other "plan". Satan pretended to be able to save all from sin, in exchange for receiving all glory and honor. This pretense was, of course, a lie. Satan could not save even himself, much less anyone else. He fomented rebellion and discord for his own perceived gain.
    I see no scriptural indication that Satan had any "plan" that involved coercion or "mandatory compliance". Salvation means being cleansed from sin, and Satan claimed he would just extend that gift to all, so all glory and honor be to him. It was a lie, from our perspective a seemingly transparent lie, but one that was still pretty successful in achieving its purpose. The consequences of that lie and the war that followed continues to destroy us and our children.
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to mikbone in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    I said mandatory compliance was Satan’s plan.
    And that I don’t appreciate anyone telling me what I have to do.
    I agree with Joseph Smith  -  Teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves.
    Your logic escapes me.
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to mikbone in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    I homeschool silly.
    I don’t do PTA, or teacher conferences, or paperwork, or doctor notes, or sex / gender education, or lack of accountability, or separation of church and state, or liberal indoctrination, etc
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to mikbone in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    Will do!  And I will do my best to keep my children informed about STDs and sexually promiscuous daughters 😁
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to mikbone in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    The measles vaccine is 93% effective with one dose.  97% effective with 2 doses.
    It is not 100% effective.
     
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to mikbone in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    The irritation is that the government can mandate that someone get a vaccination.  Yet allows people to drive dangerous cars and overeat, etc.
     
    If you want to be vaccinated get vaccinated.  My brood has had the MMR.  But they will not get the HPV.
     
    I am against the government making any health requirements.  Recommendations are fine.
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to Just_A_Guy in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    I wonder whether the folks who would have no problem imprisoning or terminating the rights of a parent who won’t vaccinate a daughter against HPV; would be OK with similarly harsh legal measures against a person who actually spreads HPV via sexual promiscuity?
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    elfgirlkaname got a reaction from Vort in Is getting pregnant from a sperm donor not allowed in the church?   
    Seeming fate to remain single, at 33 I decided to use the healing power of the gospel, and especially the spirit of the temple, I volunteered to become a temple worker, and decided on a path to a really high paying career in the Air Force to be able to help my siblings and nephews financially. I gave up my righteous desires for Husband and children to the Lord. Right before I was to move back and start my enlistment process in earnest. I got a letter of recommendation from the temple president. I prayed one last time for a marriage and family and the next day met my husband! While maybe my story will make her a little sad/bitter, I think the answer lies in the Gospel and the Temple. She can plan however to take in foster children and such I think. But she needs to be practical there are many abused and special needs children she could help, but not with long work hours. I wish your friend will find peace. The temple is the best place for finding peace. 
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to mikbone in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/docs/ConsumerEd_HeartDisease.pdf
    Heart Disease causes about 600,000 deaths a year.  It is largely preventable by not smoking, diet, and exercise.  And I don’t see any hysteria about stopping smoking, obesity, or high blood pressure...
    11 vs. 600,000 cases 
    do the math
     
    Or how about 40,000 auto accident deaths a year?   I don’t see anyone getting all excited about taking away our cars...
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to mikbone in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    As a medical professional I can tell you that I am weary of the nanny state requiring immunizations. And I do question their safety and effectiveness.
    http://www.marinhealthcare.org/upload/public-meetings/2018-06-19-600-pm-mhd-community-health-seminar-vaccination/BRANCO_06192018_MGH Vaccine Presentation.pdf
    Look how required vaccinations have changed over the years.  In 2050 there will likely be 50 - 100 vaccinations required...
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6027411/#!po=0.526316
    NIH’s internal study explaining why the flu vaccine is horribly in-effective.  
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/02/14/health/flu-vaccine-effectiveness-cdc/index.html
    This year’s flu vaccine was only 24% effective for those over age of 50 (raises hand)!
    https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/dis/
    Information about the Measles.  Although there is a current hysteria about this disease.  Contrary to public indoctrination it is not very communicable (compared to the common cold).  Its mortality (Death Rate) in the USA is near Zero.  Since the year 2000 there have been a grand total of 11 deaths in the USA caused by the measles.

     

     
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to Manners Matter in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    - This guy obviously doesn't know about/understand *personal revelation*. I know of people who had their older kid/s vaccinated and saw the result so then prayed about whether or not to vaccinate their younger kid/s and got the answer not to.

    - If people decide that anyone living in a house with a gun is a danger to society and if you have one (or more), you have to turn it in before your kid/s can go to school, what would you say about that? (don't have to answer, just putting it out there)
    - How important is liberty? "Now they never had fought, yet they did not fear death; and they did think more upon the liberty of their fathers than they did upon their lives" Alma 56:47
     


     
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    elfgirlkaname reacted to Just_A_Guy in vaccines at the intersection of religious liberty and public health   
    Let’s continue the thought experiment:
    Scenario 1:  @Mores refuses to get vaccinated.  Flying in the face of all his experience, he comes down with a very heavy case with the flu and infects his 85-year-old relief society president, who duly dies.  Let us assume arguendo that @Mores is morally culpable in spite of any attempts he may have made to avoid physical contact, wash his hands, wear a surgical mask, etc; and that he should be legally liable (if not criminally culpable) for the death as well.
    As I understand it, the flu vaccine is actually a mixture of vaccines against quite a few individual strains of flu; and precisely which strains are included in the overall vaccine varies year to year according to what is basically an educated guess as to which strains are most likely to gain traction in any given season.
    So let us imagine Scenario 2:  @Mores gets the vaccine, but winds up getting a strain of flu that wasn’t included in the vaccine because some lab flunkie decided it wasn’t a threat that particular year; and so @Mores infects the RS President who, again, dies—should the lab flunkie be held liable/culpable for the RS President’s death?
    If not, aren’t we granting legal immunity to Scenario 2’s PhD-wielding lab flunkie for taking the same sort of losing gamble for which we’d happily imprison the non-PhD-wielding reluctant vaccer in Scenario 1?  Weren’t the consequences of the lab flunkie’s inaction at least as foreseeable as the consequences of Mores’s inaction?
    Do we want that sort of elitism, either in our criminal code or in our cultural mores?