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  1. Respectfully, I stand unconvinced this has or ever will occur. Whether Gileadi, Rowe, Snuffer, Spencer, a close friend, or relative believes so, my stance is firm. The answers to the following are either "yes" or "no". -Do you have a testimony of the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ? -Do you sustain the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the prophet, seer, and revelator and as the only person on the earth authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? -Do you sustain the members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators?
  2. Reflecting on what President Nelson said at the conclusion, along with some of Elder Holland's comments about our 'conference tradition' for the opening talk, I wonder if the format of conference itself will change. "... in spite of everything else this conference tradition may offer us, it will mean little or nothing unless we find Jesus at the center of it all ... we must cut through the commotion—joyful as it is—and fix our attention on Him ... But we don’t have to be in a conference center to find Him."
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    Thank God for Dallin H. Oaks

    He certainly doubled down on President Nelson’s most recent BYU comments. He didn’t mince any words, and I love him the more for it. I met him once at a Priesthood Leadership Conference. He had nothing of the stern Federal judge vibe one sees at General Conference. He was very personable, and gave me a hug.
  4. A few things come to mind for me. First, I agree with some of what Anddenex and ScottyG said. This is absolutely a part of a sifting process, just like Come Follow Me. And those who follow counsel are indeed obvious. The children and youth program is simply the next step. Those who follow the prophet's counsel will experience blessings, and those who don't will, regrettably, be spiritually left behind. This is a part of adding oil to our lamps. I serve in a certain stake position, and I assure you Come Follow Me, and adherence to it, or not, is a common point of discussion and worry. The same for the new children and youth initiative. Becoming more spiritually independent is a pattern that began at least as far back as when Preach My Gospel came out. Gone were the days of memorizing discussions word for word, and instruction was to be more spirit-led. Then similar changes came to youth Sunday School lessons, then Gospel Doctrine lessons, then of course Come Follow Me. We are being led line upon line to better, or more closely follow the spirit. I see it as similar to Moses raising the brazen serpent. "What do you mean, if I follow these silly instructions, I, or my family, will be healed/protected? Pffft!" In a sense we have a front row seat to the Law of Moses being superseded by something better. Quibble about policy vs. doctrine, but the changes we are seeing are not arbitrary, and are necessary. The new children and youth initiative, as I said, is the next step in this progression. We are being prepared, both for obvious challenges such as the world growing more and more wicked, and our need to better qualify for the guiding influence of the spirit for yet unseen dangers and challenges. President Nelson said as much a year and a half ago. I also agree with Traveler that the day ‘may’ arrive where we will have to do it on our own, at least for a while. Think of the 10 virgins. Think of the warning to be spiritually prepared. "In the coming days we will not be able to survive spiritually ..." Imagine the necessity of qualifying for, recognizing, and following the spirit if it’s just up to us. That would not be the time to start figuring out how the spirit, or power in the Priesthood, operates. Although parents have always had the responsibility to teach the gospel to their families, there is now more onus for us to insure it happens. Come Follow Me, and this new initiative bear this out. As an example, a close reading of what is and isn't in the new youth program may suggest mutual is going away: Support for the youth in regard to gospel study- Home-Centered: Prayer, Scripture study, Home evening, Sabbath Day, Family History. Church-Supported: Sabbath instruction, Seminary. I can almost hear some members now (well, in January), "In MY day we had all these programs to help us. Road shows, Church softball and basketball, Duty to God, Faith in God, Young Woman's medallions, Scouting, and Mutual. How are we ever going to provide our youth the support they need to have a chance in this wicked world? What are our leaders thinking!?" In reality, what program or check-list can ever match the sacred right parents have to claim revelation for their children? In the end, we are either led by Christ through prophets, seers and revelators, or we are not. To whom much is given much is required, but don't forget to whom much is required, much is given! As an addendum, don't be surprised if we hear something new about sisters this coming weekend. 😉
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    What happened to Sam

    Hello. I am a long time lurker. I thought I'd dip my toe in the water today. Am I the only one who wonders what happened to Nephi's brother Sam? Were his descendants simply subsumed into Nephi's line? He is essentially never mentioned after 2 Nephi chapter 5 when they travel north to escape Laman and Lemuel, except for a brief mention in Alma 3, which only mentions him in the context of being a just and holy man, along with Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph. We hear of Nephites, Jacobites, Josephites, Zoramites, Lamanites, Lemuelites, and Ishmaelites, but never any Samites. Is it because Lehi, in his blessing to Sam, says Sam's seed will be numbered with Nephi's seed? That appears to be the best explanation, but I surmise that those in the Book of Mormon placed a premium on knowing their detailed ancestry, since it is mentioned several times, with specificity. Sam is curiously absent.