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Miss half way, that is a bit simplistic, please expand... Plus, i don't think anyone was saying we earned anything. It is very different than the Father requiring something of us, which he does.

how do you interpret this? Does the lord require something of us before we are "saved"?

hethe, have you already experimented with Tarot?

I just found this old thread. Found it fascinating. I reread Scott Peck's views (on first page) and found them very close to the mark. A good self checker for me.

Isn't Salem where they make SALEMI ...SALAMI...??? Wow, i think i got dumber creating that humor.

The only thing I do not totally agree with is that it has to be canonized in order for it to be binding. Other than that, I am with ya'll 100%. Also, i believe a living prophet trumps an anterior prophet. So if P. Monson told us that the lord told him ALL the BoM took place in Alaska, then I would tend to believe him.

Good and bad... I know it's going to turn out with them getting angry when they come in telling me what i believe and calling me names. I am a really good debater in person. So I usually win....and they calm down.

I totally agree. We are not to take all the Ga's say as doctrine. When they receive revelation is a little bit different situation though isn't it? If the revelations they received aren't real, then... Well, i can see the problem this creates that Joseph Fielding mentioned. All I am saying is that MANY of them received many documented revelations about BoM locations. I don't believe Revelation can "sometimes" be true from a prophet of God. If one of the Apostles receives a revelation, and the prophet says its correct, and I choose not to believe it, don't i stand on shaky ground? These are hard pills to swallow, I know. I have believed many things strongly, but when I saw what the Ga's have said about it, i saw that it was time for me to change my opinion.

Joseph Fielding said so...but just out of curiosity... does the church need to make an "official statement" about every single thing Joseph prophesied for it to be true? They say he was a prophet. "officially"... that pretty much says his revelations are true. Can you name a revelation that he received that is not approved?

The church officially hasn't, but Joseph, Oliver, Heber, and others made prophecies, and had revelations that it was. I cut and pasted a little of what they have said.

That was never said. Joseph, Oliver, Heber and many others received revelations as to specific locations. They are documented. The church has no official position on locations. Not the revelation from the early days. The Locations don't really matter that much to me...I believe what the above have said, as I know they were the Lord's servants and backed up each other's testimony about the locations...beyond that...it mattereth not...LOL

That will be sweet

I went to it. All I saw were the accounts of it being an actual cave...some might have seen it in vision, but many claimed to have set foot in it, including Brigham young. They even said that joseph deposited the plates there.

the only thing that doesn't make sense about him transplanting the plates is that Joseph and Brigham actually went into a huge cave with lots of plates, inside Cumorah. It was not a vision as they actually entered. That, and everything that Joseph said about Nephite civ taking place in north and south america. It's in doctrines of salvation...if ya have gospelink check it out. here are some quotes Joseph Fielding Smith Furthermore, There are many accounts of the City of Manti being located in Missouri. There are more there. feel free to read. I do not care much about the Locations, but for the sole fact that the Prophets and Apostles have never EVER said anything to suggest that the Nephites did not possess the Land northward. They have, in fact taught the opposite A LOT. Many of them claim to have received revelation about it. They clearly state that The book of Mormon lands included New York and the USA. Something Joseph Fielding said disturbed me too. "Because of this theory some members of the Church have become confused and greatly disturbed in their faith in the Book of Mormon". I did not even imagine that this theory was hurting people, but apparently it is, according to Joseph Fielding. That is the only reason I post on this thread. I do not debate the fact that the nephites and Lamanites were in South and central America, but i simply assert that according the what prophets and apostles have said, including Joseph Smith, It happened in North America too. And....the hill cumorah was Ramah, and when the prophet saw the many waters in the vicinity, he stated they were Ripliancum.

Lol, to whom do you ask? What an interesting question.... Is asking such a question appropriate? I mean, why would someone reveal such a thing in such a place as anon. online forums. -to give their opinions more authority? -to receive honor/acceptance/respect? -to help others know they can achieve it? -to simply bear testimony? If you have seen Him, do you need to say that you have every time you give testimony?