BobMaster

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  1. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    Then that makes two of us. :-).
  2. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/general-handbook/38-church-policies-and-guidelines?lang=eng#title_number118 Transgender individuals face complex challenges. Members and nonmembers who identify as transgender—and their family and friends—should be treated with sensitivity, kindness, compassion, and an abundance of Christlike love. All are welcome to attend sacrament meeting, other Sunday meetings, and social events of the Church (see 38.1.1). Gender is an essential characteristic of Heavenly Father’s plan of happiness. The intended meaning of gender in the family proclamation is biological sex at birth. Some people experience feelings of incongruence between their biological sex and their gender identity. As a result, they may identify as transgender. The Church does not take a position on the causes of people identifying themselves as transgender. Most Church participation and some priesthood ordinances are gender neutral. Transgender persons may be baptized and confirmed as outlined in 38.2.3.14. They may also partake of the sacrament and receive priesthood blessings. However, priesthood ordination and temple ordinances are received according to birth sex.
  3. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    God didn't "take the keys" they already lost them. They polluted and perverted the ordinances to such a point that they lost all meaning. Such as baptism, to baptism another individual who has no concept of right or wrong (i.e. a baby) losing the meaning of what a baptism really is. To baptism an individual who has no understanding of the reality of their own physical biology is a mockery of baptism and it's meaning. Yes, the people of the Church have already been picking and choosing what words they can and cannot follow. This has already been happening for many, many years. We are much, much farther along in the process of apostasy then many members believe (quite a few recognize many issues but are afraid to speak up) for fear of being labeled apostates themselves.
  4. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    I guess for you, the only disciples of Christ are those who are at the top? No need for you as an individual to proclaim to others they need to repent and follow Christ, as long as the leadership does it, your job is done? You can sit back and not take an active role in declaring repentance? "24Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: 25And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. 26His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: 27Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. 28Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents."
  5. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    The same thing it always is. Repent and turn to Christ. If individually each person repents and turns to Christ, studies the Scriptures-the actual Word of God-rather than hanging on every word of the leadership-hang on the Word of God, it will be very obvious and very plain when they are acting as God's mouthpiece and when they are saying a bunch of nonsense. There is no need for "Revolution" or "Secession", because if and when the body of the Saints become so wicked that they cannot discern truth from error, they will cast out all those who do. For darkness cannot stand to be next to light.
  6. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    No, we as a people are lacking because we believe all we are given right now is the best that it is. We as a people have a very rigid mindset, which is that a man of God must come from the religious hierarchy and that every word which he speaks is direct from God. When both are false. A man of God, who one who prophesies can come from all walks of life, many times they come from outside the hierarchy (like Abraham-who aid his tithes to Melchezidek, or Lehi, or Jeremiah, and Abinadi). They are always bold, never wavering. We want it both ways, and we are a double-minded people. We want our leaders to be prophets, yet then we ignore what they have prophesied, immediately after they are dead. We have prophets in the 70s and 80s who condemned very forcefully homosexuality and all forms of immorality, yet today as a people we invite homosexuals in to be baptized, hold hands in Church, to cross-dress. We have prophets who condemned pornography, yet at least 30% do it and then we make excuses for it like "it's an addiction" or some other such nonsense. We don't want prophets of God, we want prophets to tell us what we are doing is right. I don't want someone to blow smoke up my rear and say, "your such a wonderful, great, awesome individual", I want someone to tell me where I'm going wrong. I want Apostles who boldly proclaim, "I have seen Christ, he is real". As it is now, their testimonies are no more powerful than mine. The fact that anytime anyone desires for better leaders and is told to shut-up you are an apostate because you desire something other than that which is given, is a real sign of the times. At some point, a lack of desire for better leaders and a lack of desire for leaders who will tell us what to and wherefore, will lead apostasy (if it hasn't already) . . . Unless you believe in your heart that an individual who has such minuscule concept of whether they are a boy or a girl at the most fundamental level can even remotely have a concept of being a disciple of Christ. To believe that someone who is so confused in their mind that they cannot understand basic biology and believe they are a boy when they are a girl-that that individual has the wherewithal and capacity to actually be a disciple (i.e. one who follows in Christ's footsteps) is so outrageous it is stunning that other disciples fall for it. Not a clue whether one is a boy or a girl, confused about the most basic aspect of life, yet that same individual is going to be able to know Christ lives, that he died? The individual can't tell basic physical reality between fact or fiction-how in the world is he/she going to be able to testify (i.e. witness) that Christ lives. That individual believes a fantasy about make-believing he is a girl. When that individual preaches to me about Christ, it makes a mockery of Him. An individual living in a fantasy world, preaching about an individual they have never seen nor heard...Since they live in a fantasy physical reality, how can they possibly tell me of a non-fantasy past world? It makes Christ out to be a fantasy. That other disciples fall for it, is quite sad.
  7. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    I already said it; again you and carb. are looking for another answer. You want to box me into denouncing the leaders of the Church and thereby doing so be able to completely discard any and every word that I say; I have not and will not do so. They are doing the best they possibly can-but me saying that won't matter.. You already have a pre-concieved notion in your mind as to what I am. No amount of words at this point will convince you otherwise. What is the OP of this thread?
  8. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    Is every word that a prophet speaks true and from God?
  9. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Which is more important to follow a leader or to follow Christ? They may be one in the same, but not always.
  10. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    ROFLOL . . .woah, woah, woah. I have not once claimed they are "false" prophets, i.e. that they have prophesied and given Revelations which are false. In fact, if you were paying attention (which is clearly not the case because you have glossed over and ignored many of my comments), I have said that many things Nelson has said are prophetic and are true.
  11. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    I am no inquisiter, I have not branded you as apostate, but you have done so for me.
  12. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    Lol-not to an inquisitor who brands themselves as the arbiter of truth.
  13. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    Lol, and you only see with one eye yourself. You eliminate Enos because it was "only for him", because it doesn't fit your narrative.
  14. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    Isn't that wonderful. Anyone who conflicts with your ideas is an "apostate". I didn't "dodge" any question, you just like to think I did.
  15. BobMaster

    Help from our leaders...

    No, Enos? We are so righteous that we don't need one like unto old, I guess.