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  1. Just a quick update, the girl in question is well and happy, and her baby is due soon. I don't think she ever attended the court of love, so I'm not sure if her membership in the church has been affected. I did post much more a short time ago, but realised that it was way too much information, and also felt like a gossip, so I apologise to anyone who may have read the post before I edited it.
  2. Yes, I was aware of the original phrase and the circumstances surrounding it. The reported did rephrase it to be more fitting to Michael Jackson..
  3. The hardhearted side of my tried desperately not to be affected by his death. I read one or two of the earlier reports where they didn't know if he was dead or in a coma, then as I tried to watch some catchup tv, and found the programme I wanted to watch wasn't featured, I turned on the BBC News channel and ended up watching about 2 hours of reports about the day's events. By the end of that, after listening to tributes to him, comparisons between his death and those of Elvis and John Lennon, even a reference to The day the dance died (or something very similar!), I shed some tears. I'm not really a hardhearted person, I have to recognise that he wasn't found guilty of the child molestation charges against him, even tho I am one of those that remained sceptical about his innocence, but you summed it up Funky, about paying off the offender if he really was guilty.. I grew up in the 60's and 70's, was a big fan of Donny Osmond and still liked Michael and the Jackson 5, bought some of his early 80's albums too..It is a sad day for his family and his fans. Don't want to overlook Farrah Fawcett either, she was one of my screen heroes in the late 70's and I remember desperately trying to get hairdressers to make my brown tresses just like hers, it never worked, lol :)
  4. Hi Pale, on behalf of the cats and I, we loves ya baby!!
  5. Hordak, YellowLight and Moksha, thanks for answering to Faded's post..you covered what I would have tried to say. Maxel, it's a pity that there is currently only the 1 side of the story being told, however it does look as if the church leaders have had knowledge of the status of these particular missionaries, in view of how the article mentions the evolving chuch policy on undocumented members, and the comments made by Jeffrey Holland. Whichever way you look at this, the church leaders are at least turning a blind eye to the Missionaries' status, and at most helping them to break the law, it doesn't look very good either way to me.
  6. As Hordak states, isn't the church doing wrong each time it knowingly allows an illegal immigrant to have a temple recommend, serve a mission? '"The travel department of the church has to rethink everything. Things have changed, and they need a whole new policy," said a local church official who was aware of the situation. "With ICE [immigration and Customs Enforcement] hitting them at the bus terminals and airports, this opens a whole new discussion. I don't know how many undocumented immigrants we have serving missions, but I'm sure this is going to repeat itself." LDS Church leaders have had evolving policies on how to keep undocumented missionaries safe. But this is the first time Holland has heard of a missionary being arrested by immigration officials while serving. "There's been an ongoing discussion of this for 15 years. These kind of incidents, or anything like it, would continue that discussion," said Holland, who is a member of the Missionary Executive Council. "We're always trying to do, always and forever, exactly what's legal, and in the spirit of that, be fair to everyone on the religious side, on the spiritual side, to have the spiritual benefits of [serving a mission]." ' 'Church leaders do make certain accommodations for undocumented missionaries, including calling them only to missions within the United States. But leaders acknowledge the missionaries' potential legal jeopardy.' Missionary's arrest sparks discussion, fear - Salt Lake Tribune From the above snippets, it appears that the church leaders are aware of at least some of the illegal immigrants it is sending on missions, and that it has been aware of this for many years.
  7. Thanks for your replies, I have to go out now, but will check the thread again when I come home, and follow up my post! By the way, I don't have a problem with illegal immigrants, I don't have strong views either way about them, I was just shocked to see that the church was, apparently, knowingly letting illegal immigrants go on missions, and aiding them by allowing them only to serve missions in the U.S. where they were much less likely to have their citizenship challenged than they would if they served in another country..
  8. Missionary's arrest sparks discussion, fear - Salt Lake Tribune 'The arrest of an undocumented immigrant returning last week from his LDS mission has sparked discussion at the highest levels of the church about how to limit such exposure in the future. "With the known realization that those risks exist, then we want to do better, or at least learn more," LDS apostle Jeffrey R. Holland, said Friday during an interview with The Salt Lake Tribune . "We want to be more precise, if we can, about how to help, how to make [a mission] the calmest, most spiritually rewarding experience for everybody." ' I was shocked when I saw this article yesterday, it seems that the church leaders are sending illegal immigrants on missions within the U.S. in order to try to prevent them from being detected as such if they attempt to travel abroad for their missions.. Could somebody please explain this, how it can be justified?
  9. I watched that on TV, Saturday night, was really good and hilarious!! :)
  10. Best place to start is either The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or Mormon.org - Home for general questions/answers, happy searching :)
  11. I'm sorry to hear about you having been in this terrible situation. To be honest, in my opinion the Social Services are correct, you and your children will be better off without your abusive husband. You have tried all you can, it would not be fair to yourself or your children to put yourselves back into the dangerous position of living with him again. I'm happy that you are receiving the support of the police, your family and your Bishop and hope that you will be able to live a new life, without fear, in the near future.
  12. Quote guitarwizard: 'Background: I am a religious studies major at a public university and my goal is to be able to teach church history at some school ( longshot right?!). I tend to use my knowledge of church history in my classes and always am looking to expand my knowledge. I just wrote a paper for my Islam class comparing Islam to the Church from the origins to succession issues.' I have a fascination with the number of, and variety of religious faiths in the world. I'm a little lazy when it comes to researching them however, just doing a little here and there on the net these days, and watching some documentaries. A recent documentary here in the UK, which was really interesting, was Around the world in 80 Faiths. I loved discovering the 'new', to me, religions and cultures/customs that had grown around the communities.
  13. I think I'm pretty much who I say I am online and offline, I tend to wear my heart on my sleeve, so cannot really hide who I am in the posts I make. I worry that I reveal too much of myself sometimes, and take the consequences of that. Wish I was as healthy as the puss in my avatar tho
  14. Prospectmum, I can understand how you're feeling, and I wish for all the best for your son while he's away from you, and all the best for you, waiting for him to return home. I think, regardless of whatever our individual views are of wars, and no matter on what side our children are fighting, we're all gonna have the same fears and worries, and tears as other parents in our situations.. The sooner there is no longer any reason for wars in this world, the better!!
  15. Thanks Pale, much appreciated :)
  16. Thanks for your post Faded. I've had time to think about my reaction to the situation since I first posted, and realise that I was looking at the church disciplinary action from my own, newly converted, point of view, rather than the pov of somebody (the girl in question) who has been brought up in the church, and therefore is likely to have a different outlook on the situation than I do. I must admit that I felt shocked when I was told that a 'church court' was to be held for the girl, and I did jump to the conclusion that she would be punished, as in being disfellowshipped or excommunicated, rather than being offered the services of counselling or whatever the Church social services offers under these circumstances. I do understand that some people find adoption a better outcome than the teenager keeping/raising her child herself, but from what I've heard the girl's mother was more upset because of the blunt way in which the Bishop spoke to her about the disciplinary action to take place and the option of adoption, as I said before he doesn't have a very good reputation for being tactful. Thanks for your further information regarding the situation and process.
  17. I was thinking virtually the same as you Dravin. I just read the 1st chapter of the book, and did find it useful, but it did pass thru my mind that both people had to be receptive to the requests that were being made of one another, without becoming offended, in order for it to be successful..it is a good starting place tho, perhaps all newly weds ought to be given this book as a wedding present..or one copy each :)
  18. One or two things you can easily know are true: Your own name and the names you give your pets and children.. Beyond that, philosophically, I'm not sure, lol :)
  19. Hi LostSheep, I'm really sorry you're having to cope with this, I can only echo the words of the other posters on this thread. Stay strong, stay close to both your mum and dad, discuss with them any fears you have, ask for their reassurance in any matters that concern you. Try not to become embittered, and remember that they do love you in spite of everything that is now happening. I may have worded that incorrectly, I don't wish to sound as if I'm making something you've done to be the reason for their divorce..sorry for my failure to word this more appropriately!!
  20. No worries LM, misunderstandings re local phrases etc. are bound to be common.. EternalP, I believe the girl is quite excited about her pregnancy at the moment, but also a little embarrassed as she hasn't yet left school and is at the stage where her tummy is just beginning to enlarge..she doesn't want to change for PT with the other girls. She has no interest/desire in speaking with the Bishop at present, however she hasn't really got along with him very well over the years, her mum thinks they may be too alike, a personality clash. I will keep you posted :)
  21. I agree that the best course of action in any marital difficulty is to try to talk to one another, seek any guidance you can to preserve your marriage, however I think we must take care when counselling somebody to remain within an abusive (physically or sexually) relationship. It is easy to suggest that somebody who remains in that situation must call the police if/when violence occurs, but who knows if the next time violence does occur it isn't fatal? No chance then to contact the authorities.. It does sound as if there are problems on both sides of the fence in your relationship, maybe your wife has unresolved emotional issues that affect the way she responds to you, and it cannot be easy trying to persuade her to seek counselling for that..I hope that you both do find some way of getting thru your differences and that your marriage does survive, but please do take care regarding any potential violence.
  22. Thank you Pale, I do know that the Bishop stressed the better life chances, educationally and otherwise, a child has within a 2 parent family, and I'm sure he also must have discussed the other points you mentioned too. Unfortunately, the particular Bishop concerned is not know for his tact, and so the mother of the young lady involved did take advice from some of her male PH relatives, one a past Bishop, who did explain the procedure/consequences in a much more 'user friendly' fashion, in order to put her mind at rest.
  23. Thank you Willow. I'm pleased too, that the girl is no longer pursuing that route with regard to her pregnancy. I know that her parents are being very supportive, and will not force her into having the child adopted, she knows that she will remain living with them after the birth and that they will share the initial care of the child. Thanks for concurring with me over the phrase 'fallen pregnant', like you said, we use it over here without a thought for what it might suggest :)
  24. Thank you everybody, for your thoughtful replies. I'm a new member of the church, so yes, I don't really understand the correct nature/process of church disciplinary councils. From your comments I can see that the procedure would be done in a more loving manner than I perceived. The term 'church court' was used by the mother, that's why I used it, and I do know that the father isn't a member of the church so his involvement at this time is minimal to non-existant, he advised a termination of the pregnancy. LM, I'm sorry for using the term 'fallen pregnant', it's just a common phrase used in my part of the world, it wasn't used to attempt to say that the girl was forced into sex, or carried no responsibility for the act..I'm sorry if it appeared that that's what I was trying to suggest. I do feel relieved after hearing some of the comments about what may occur for this girl, and thank you for that. I may revisit this thread if I feel upset, or concerned in any way again, I know I shouldn't be involving myself too deeply, as it isn't my problem, but obviously I am just concerned about her and her parents/family in general.