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    Traveler got a reaction from Jane_Doe in How indepth does the Church go in teaching YM about the Priesthood?   
    To be honest I find it interesting that you teach a youth Sunday School class and find that your students do not seem to know the answers.  If I was a betting person - I would bet you that if you asked the same question this next week - even though you just went over all the information the previous week - you would get much the same answers you got the first time.  Rather than explain why this is; I would point you to the whole purpose of the Follow Me direction recently adopted in teaching the youth.  In essence the objective is not to disperse information (which has been the objective in teaching for millennia)? But to train and encourage youth to study on their own. 
     
    Your asking question is a good way of teaching and the way we have encouraged teachers to lead class discussions -- but misses the new objective which is to teach youth to ask the questions and seek out their own answers in order to gain or strengthen testimonies and change behaviors and lives.  As the SS president in our ward I have struggled with this new method and our teachers for a year and a half now.  Not that the teachers are not among the best in the church - just that changing the culture is more difficult than I ever thought.
     
    If you figure this out - please let me know.  If you have not figured this out yet -- don't feel bad and please do not give up.  You are the vanguard for perhaps the greatest effort in the restoration - I am convinced that your concern and efforts are as needed now as any have been in the history of man.  We are preparing a generation for something that few generations before have ever faced.
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    Traveler got a reaction from Maureen in Can sin still disgust us?   
    I believe you are making assumptions contrary to biological evidence.  Did you know you have Neanderthal DNA?  The percent of Neanderthal DNA increases for non-Africian sub-species.  According to scripture, Adam was the first man and Eve was the first woman.  What the scriptures do not say is that Adam and Eve were the only humans.  -- This thought ought to keep minds busy for a while.
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    Traveler got a reaction from Maureen in Can sin still disgust us?   
    I am confused with this post – I think???  And now I must be careful because of what is judged as being harsh and not caring.  To me the whole religious, “Don’t be judgmental thing” is a sick and wrong religious as well as anti-religious joke.  Why?  Because accusing, thinking or believing someone of being judgmental is being judgmental. 
     
    I do not believe that humans evolved enlightenment and intelligence to end up stupid and making stupid decisions.  As we navigate the labyrinth of life we must make decisions and choices – in short we must become judgmental.  The problem is not so much making a choice as it is not learning anything from it.  Being able to learn and modify behavior is the very essence of intelligence.  Thus the problem is not so much is making poor choices but in refusing to learn anything form the choices me make and therefore not adjusting our behavior from intelligently considering what we have done.
     
    I have come to understand I was raised quite differently than just about everybody I know.  My parents never once ever praised me for doing anything.  Their mantra was always, “You could have done better.”  For example, when I was in grade 6 the school I attended has an annual fundraiser selling tickets to a grade school talent showcase production.  I broke all records for selling tickets and for the entire history of the school and my record was never even challenged and will not be now because the school does not exist anymore (I almost sold more that the rest of the school).  When I was honored by the school – my parents simply said, “Do not let this go to your head – you know you could have done a lot better.”
     
    Now back to this post.  What I believe is meant by not judging is thinking we have figured on a case by case basis who is going to what kingdom of glory.   It seems to me that most religious individuals tend to do exactly that – thinking they have it made or someone else is excluded from blessings.  That is the judgment I believe the scriptures are warning us against.  The problem is that the mighty can and often do fall and the beaten down often arise from the ashes of failure. 
     
    We are all given intelligence and we ought to be on a journey to learn and become better.  Part of becoming better individuals is helping others in particular with the lessons we have learned.  I see nothing wrong with telling someone that if they insist in making stupid decisions that we are not going to forever support and that we will part company.  We should be very clear on what it is we support and what it is that we do not support in the vast spectrum of behaviors.  I see nothing wrong with telling a friend that if they insist on walking certain paths – that you will not accompany them.  I see nothing wrong with telling someone that what they are choosing to do is sick and wrong.  I also believe you should be intelligent enough from your own experience to show both by word and by example a better way.
     
    One of the great lessons I learned in life is to not go into battle with someone that that will not behave properly in the battle despite how much you love them.  And to make that fact very clear – long before the battle begins.
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    Traveler got a reaction from MrShorty in Did women ever hold the Priesthood?   
    Okay - I thought I would take this thread a very different direction for what it seems to be going.  I would preface my main remarks with a couple of things from my past.  The first I would sight was the role of lady missionaries when I served almost 50 years ago.  It was not that I did not believe that the lady missionaries should not serve - just that I did not see their service much of a game changer.  I am sorry that my expression in the matter upsets anyone - but I am just being honest about my thoughts and observations at the time when I served as a missionary.  There were a few lady missionaries in my mission that I felt contributed but I honestly felt that most were wasting their time.   Not to appear too much the sexists but I also believed that close to half the elders were a bit of a wast as well.
     
    When I returned from my mission I had served two years in the military (having lost some friends in combat) and a two year mission.  I felt that the ladies at BYU were disconnected from reality, somewhat immature and for the most part a wast of my time except for social relief from stress of what seemed to me to be a world falling apart.  I was tired of dating the prototypical elementary ed, family relations and speech and drama majors.  I believe that women could and should play a more prominent role in the church and in society.  I was very vocal about my beliefs (is this a surprise to anyone?)  It would be 6 years before I would get married.
     
    Back then I was not sure if women were even capable of doing priesthood kind of things.  I thought that they ought to be able - but I was resolved to accept them as a partner that had to be taken care of and protected.  Kind of the extension of opening doors for ladies, paying for dates and thinking I had to make all the important decisions while they managed the home and kids.
     
    Now I would like to bring everybody up to date.  I married an extreme type A ultra Red personality.  The truth is that I married way over my head.  Over years of marriage I have had a very dramatic paradigm shift.  In addition I have been observing the recent influx of lady missionaries that are amazing.  
     
    There is no need to protest at general conference, write general authorities or make statements of demands in the media.  It is my belief that the role of righteous women in the church and kingdom of G-d is going to significantly change.   Their spiritual strengths and abilities all on there own are going to bring about things never before seen - not just within the church but in the world in general.
     
    To be honest I am not the least bit concerned with the role of women moving forward.  I believe that what is being set in motion will resolve any issues concerning their contribution.  As I look at the current trends - I am not sure why anyone would think righteous women are at any risk from contributing their share and more in the kingdom of G-d. 
     
    My concern is that the men of the faith keep up.  Seriously!!!  I am beginning to think that if the ladies do not let up on the gas a little that men will be left far behind in the dust.
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    Traveler got a reaction from Anddenex in Descent Before Ascent   
    The principle is not complicated.  In order to ascend we need to be humble and have genuine appreciation and gratitude - for blessings, for others that help us and for those struggling with difficulty.  It would appear that even G-d (in the example of Jesus Christ) would condescend and endure the worse prior to being justly and honestly able to  stand in the light of glory.  I have come to believe that this necessity to descend was the single failure of Lucifer as well as the litmus test between all that is good and evil.
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    Traveler reacted to The Folk Prophet in Did women ever hold the Priesthood?   
    President Kimball agrees with you:
     
    "Finally, my dear sisters, may I suggest to you something that has not been said before or at least in quite this way. Much of the major growth that is coming to the Church in the last days will come because many of the good women of the world (in whom there is often such an inner sense of spirituality) will be drawn to the Church in large numbers. This will happen to the degree that the women of the Church reflect righteousness and articulateness in their lives and to the degree that the women of the Church are seen as distinct and different—in happy ways—from the women of the world.
      Among the real heroines in the world who will come into the Church are women who are more concerned with being righteous than with being selfish. These real heroines have true humility, which places a higher value on integrity than on visibility. Remember, it is as wrong to do things just to be seen of women as it is to do things to be seen of men. Great women and men are always more anxious to serve than to have dominion.   Thus it will be that female exemplars of the Church will be a significant force in both the numerical and the spiritual growth of the Church in the last days.   No wonder the adversary strives, even now, to prevent this from happening! Regardless of who is getting the adversary’s special attention at any given time, he seeks to make all people “miserable like unto himself” (2 Ne. 2:27). Indeed, he seeks “the misery of all mankind” (2 Ne. 2:18). He is undeviating in his purposes and is clever and relentless in his pursuit of them."
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    Traveler got a reaction from Sunday21 in Brother of Jared   
    I am going to guess with mostly speculation.  Egyptian is a symbolic and phonetic text script.  A crude example would be those mixed pictures and text with a message you use to see in children’s fun time pages – where an eyeball would represent the word “I” and a honey bee preceded by the number 2 represent the words, “to” “be”.   The Golden Plates were written in what is called “reformed Egyptian” to save room; which is what I believe to be a modification necessary for the Hebrew used by the Nehpits.  I am thinking that the proper name of Mahonri Moriancumr was without phonetic symbols in the reformed Egyptian use by the Nephits and writing out all the characters for the name was overly difficult, used a lot of precious space on the plates and next to impossible to translate correctly.
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    Traveler got a reaction from The Folk Prophet in Visiting teaching/missionary work   
    I have pondered callings in the Church and realized that callings are not because of righteousness (too many examples of people with major hangups getting callings - including myself).  Callings are not because of talent (this is way to obvious).  Callings are not for developing new talents (if it was it would be a miserable failure).  The only consistent reason I can see that callings are inspired by G-d and extended to so many members -- is because for the most part we LDS, without a calling, otherwise, would not make the effort to do much of anything at all.
     
    Thus it is my theory that if in your area special callings are extended to visit the less active it is only because without such nudging most of the less actives would be completely ignored.
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    Traveler got a reaction from Bini in Can I add you to my Friend list?   
    I need all the friends I can get. 
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    Traveler reacted to slamjet in Excommunications on the Rise.   
    I just had a talk with my daughter because of some sisters, not brothers, but sisters were shoving the "peter priesthood" view of women in the church.  This greatly disturbs me because all my girls tell me that it's usually not the men, it's the women that perpertrate this thinking.  Quite frankly, besides being sealed in the temple and enduring to the end, men need to be ordained to the priesthood to attain the highest level of celestial glory.  Women need only to be born.  I kind-of read something into this.
     
    In any case, this whole "exponential" growth in excommunications is just plain silly unless someone can come up with numbers to support that position.  Otherwise, it's two people who have an agenda, who are polarized in their thinking, and have been invited to a disiplinary hearing.  I don't know much about Kate Kelly but I have listened to John Dehlin in interviews and podcasts and he is a wolf in sheeps clothing.
     
    But I've been on the excommunicated side and I say from my own and other's experience, if they are excommunicated, they are in for some of the darkest, most challenging days of their lives because they will be buffeted by the advisary in ways they will never expect.  They will have left only two roads to go: setting aside their pride, getting some humility and walk towards the light of Christ, or continue down the path they are on and drown in the darkness.  There is no middle ground. 
     
    So before they or anyone begins to blame the church for making their lives difficult, or creating difficulty for them or their families, they ought to take responsibility and accept what is to come because they got into this knowing that the outcome would end up looking like it looks now. 
     
    Their crying foul is unimpressive.  Their letting the world know only makes transparent their contempt and proves their agenda and disingenuousness.
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    Traveler reacted to pam in Excommunications on the Rise.   
    The church made a statement today in response to questions from the media regarding disciplinary actions:
     
    http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/
     
    "The Church is a family made up of millions of individuals with diverse backgrounds and opinions. There is room for questions and we welcome sincere conversations. We hope those seeking answers will find them and happiness through the gospel of Jesus Christ.
     
    "Sometimes members’ actions contradict Church doctrine and lead others astray. While uncommon, some members in effect choose to take themselves out of the Church by actively teaching and publicly attempting to change doctrine to comply with their personal beliefs. This saddens leaders and fellow members. In these rare cases, local leaders have the responsibility to clarify false teachings and prevent other members from being misled. Decisions are made by local leaders and not directed or coordinated by Church headquarters.
     
    "Actions to address a person’s membership and standing in their congregation are convened after lengthy periods of counseling and encouragement to reconsider behavior. Ultimately, the door is always open for people to return to the Church."
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    Traveler reacted to Just_A_Guy in Antarctic Ice melting   
    I dunno.  With regard to greenhouse gasses (which I realize is tangential to your point here)--I've been mildly skeptical of AGW--but not enough to really get into arguments over it--for sometime.  One of the reasons for my skepticism was the statement, often repeated by AGW skeptics, that volcanic activity produces far more greenhouse gasses than man-made emissions do.  Just this week I came across EPA numbers that seem to put that one to bed.
     
    I don't like AGW theory proponents using "tricks" to "hide the data".  I don't like AGW theory opponents coming up with cockamamie claims that are wholly unconnected to any known data whatsoever.  All I know is, I'm tired of all the baloney sauce I'm hearing.  From both sides.
     
    I want to be a good steward of the environment and am willing to make reasonable cutbacks, but it seems like most AGW proponents are insisting that I limit my family size, turn in my automobile, never set foot in an airplane, and triple the time of my daily commute--while they themselves continue to live in their mansions in between jetting around the world attending international scientific and/or political conferences demonstrating how much they care .  And to those demands, I say:  Not a chance in Hades.
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    Traveler reacted to The Folk Prophet in Antarctic Ice melting   
    *shrug* only 80 people having to relocate isn't so bad....
     
    ....oh...wait......
     

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    Traveler reacted to estradling75 in Antarctic Ice melting   
    This is my understanding...
     
    According to science (and pretty much undisputed) is that in the earth's history it has undergone several ice ages...  Ice ages that caused the temperature to drop and the seas to recede.  These ice ages were followed by periods were the ice melted, the temperatures climbed and the sea's rose. Or in a word the climate CHANGED.  This happened all without modern humanity being around to do squat.
     
    Thus it seem to me that science has shown that climate change is the earth's default or natural state. And that we have been coming out of an ice age so we should expect both the temperature  and sea levels to climb.  At least until we start our decent into the next ice age.
     
    Therefore when I see people claiming 'Human' caused climate change... I have to ask when did the normal scientifically shown climate change become a non existent factor?  I tend to not give much credences to people who come off as if everything would be all hunky dorie if humans would just stop messing stuff up.
     
    Now there are those that say Humans are accelerating or aggravating the process.  This I concede is a possibility. (Although I would like to see what they expect the normal change to be and how they came to that estimate. Then have the human predicted impact on top.
     
    Even with that though I think the focus of the Global Warming groups are completely wonky...  I don't think we can (or should really) stop the natural processes and cycles of the earth.  Therefore wrecking the economies to try to stop it is unwise...  Instead we should be looking into how to get us through the changes that are coming.
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    Traveler reacted to slamjet in Antarctic Ice melting   
    I remember as a kid learning in school of the thought of trying to make the ice caps darker in color, like, black so that they can absorb the sun and melt because the climate was so cold.  Gee, how times change.
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    Traveler reacted to pam in Brother of Jared   
    This is why.  
     

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    Traveler got a reaction from Jane_Doe in How indepth does the Church go in teaching YM about the Priesthood?   
    To be honest I find it interesting that you teach a youth Sunday School class and find that your students do not seem to know the answers.  If I was a betting person - I would bet you that if you asked the same question this next week - even though you just went over all the information the previous week - you would get much the same answers you got the first time.  Rather than explain why this is; I would point you to the whole purpose of the Follow Me direction recently adopted in teaching the youth.  In essence the objective is not to disperse information (which has been the objective in teaching for millennia)? But to train and encourage youth to study on their own. 
     
    Your asking question is a good way of teaching and the way we have encouraged teachers to lead class discussions -- but misses the new objective which is to teach youth to ask the questions and seek out their own answers in order to gain or strengthen testimonies and change behaviors and lives.  As the SS president in our ward I have struggled with this new method and our teachers for a year and a half now.  Not that the teachers are not among the best in the church - just that changing the culture is more difficult than I ever thought.
     
    If you figure this out - please let me know.  If you have not figured this out yet -- don't feel bad and please do not give up.  You are the vanguard for perhaps the greatest effort in the restoration - I am convinced that your concern and efforts are as needed now as any have been in the history of man.  We are preparing a generation for something that few generations before have ever faced.
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    Traveler got a reaction from Blackmarch in Coke and its usage   
    Quoting that guy in the first Jurassic Park movie:
     
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    Traveler reacted to Latter Days Guy in Going to the Temple!   
    Well I've been to the temple and it was amazing!  Here's what I put in my blog:
     
    If that wasn't enough of a spiritual high, on Saturday I attended the Temple for the first time.  A group from my ward took a coach to the Preston England Temple where I was able to do some temple work for some of my own family from my family history work.  We arrived at the Temple in the rain but that didn't dampen my spirit, after a look around the distribution centre those who were to be doing baptisms and confirmations for our departed relatives gathered together and were led by our bishop up to the Temple itself.  We walked through the immaculately kept gardens and then the Temple was finally in full view.  What a beautiful building this house of the Lord is!  Though it took three hours to get there it now didn't seem that long to finally be able to enter the holy ground of the Temple!  We gathered together and after some final instructions we were taken into the Temple itself.  I immediately felt that tingling feeling wash over me as I entered into one of Heavenly Fathers sacred places.  It was almost over whelming the feeling of the presence of the Lord.  The building is furnished to such a high standard, with paintings of scenes from many scriptural sources depicted.  We were taken through the Temple to the baptistery and then given our white baptismal clothing to change into.  We then had a brief talk and sang a hymn and a prayer before we were seated before the most exquisite baptistery I had ever seen.  It was a lot bigger than I had envisaged and all decked out in the most marvellous marble.  The twelve oxen which stood below the baptistery were awesome in their beauty, it was a truly marvellous place to come to do the work of the Lord on behalf of our dearly departed relatives.
    We left after completing our sacred ordinances and gathered together on the coach for a final word of prayer before returning home.  It had been a most uplifting and humbling experience, even though we had risen very early and would be returning home late I didn't feel the slightest bit tired.  I was how ever filled peace and joy at having had such an amazing encounter with the living God!
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    Traveler got a reaction from Jane_Doe in How indepth does the Church go in teaching YM about the Priesthood?   
    To be honest I find it interesting that you teach a youth Sunday School class and find that your students do not seem to know the answers.  If I was a betting person - I would bet you that if you asked the same question this next week - even though you just went over all the information the previous week - you would get much the same answers you got the first time.  Rather than explain why this is; I would point you to the whole purpose of the Follow Me direction recently adopted in teaching the youth.  In essence the objective is not to disperse information (which has been the objective in teaching for millennia)? But to train and encourage youth to study on their own. 
     
    Your asking question is a good way of teaching and the way we have encouraged teachers to lead class discussions -- but misses the new objective which is to teach youth to ask the questions and seek out their own answers in order to gain or strengthen testimonies and change behaviors and lives.  As the SS president in our ward I have struggled with this new method and our teachers for a year and a half now.  Not that the teachers are not among the best in the church - just that changing the culture is more difficult than I ever thought.
     
    If you figure this out - please let me know.  If you have not figured this out yet -- don't feel bad and please do not give up.  You are the vanguard for perhaps the greatest effort in the restoration - I am convinced that your concern and efforts are as needed now as any have been in the history of man.  We are preparing a generation for something that few generations before have ever faced.
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    Traveler got a reaction from Jane_Doe in How indepth does the Church go in teaching YM about the Priesthood?   
    To be honest I find it interesting that you teach a youth Sunday School class and find that your students do not seem to know the answers.  If I was a betting person - I would bet you that if you asked the same question this next week - even though you just went over all the information the previous week - you would get much the same answers you got the first time.  Rather than explain why this is; I would point you to the whole purpose of the Follow Me direction recently adopted in teaching the youth.  In essence the objective is not to disperse information (which has been the objective in teaching for millennia)? But to train and encourage youth to study on their own. 
     
    Your asking question is a good way of teaching and the way we have encouraged teachers to lead class discussions -- but misses the new objective which is to teach youth to ask the questions and seek out their own answers in order to gain or strengthen testimonies and change behaviors and lives.  As the SS president in our ward I have struggled with this new method and our teachers for a year and a half now.  Not that the teachers are not among the best in the church - just that changing the culture is more difficult than I ever thought.
     
    If you figure this out - please let me know.  If you have not figured this out yet -- don't feel bad and please do not give up.  You are the vanguard for perhaps the greatest effort in the restoration - I am convinced that your concern and efforts are as needed now as any have been in the history of man.  We are preparing a generation for something that few generations before have ever faced.
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    Traveler got a reaction from Jane_Doe in How indepth does the Church go in teaching YM about the Priesthood?   
    To be honest I find it interesting that you teach a youth Sunday School class and find that your students do not seem to know the answers.  If I was a betting person - I would bet you that if you asked the same question this next week - even though you just went over all the information the previous week - you would get much the same answers you got the first time.  Rather than explain why this is; I would point you to the whole purpose of the Follow Me direction recently adopted in teaching the youth.  In essence the objective is not to disperse information (which has been the objective in teaching for millennia)? But to train and encourage youth to study on their own. 
     
    Your asking question is a good way of teaching and the way we have encouraged teachers to lead class discussions -- but misses the new objective which is to teach youth to ask the questions and seek out their own answers in order to gain or strengthen testimonies and change behaviors and lives.  As the SS president in our ward I have struggled with this new method and our teachers for a year and a half now.  Not that the teachers are not among the best in the church - just that changing the culture is more difficult than I ever thought.
     
    If you figure this out - please let me know.  If you have not figured this out yet -- don't feel bad and please do not give up.  You are the vanguard for perhaps the greatest effort in the restoration - I am convinced that your concern and efforts are as needed now as any have been in the history of man.  We are preparing a generation for something that few generations before have ever faced.
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    Traveler reacted to Seminarysnoozer in Marriage in the next life, if single   
    President Lorenzo Snow“There is no Latter-day Saint who dies after having lived a faithful life who will lose anything because of having failed to do certain things when opportunities were not furnished him or her. In other words, if a young man or a young woman has no opportunity of getting married, and they live faithful lives up to the time of their death, they will have all the blessings, exaltation, and glory that any man or woman will have who had this opportunity and improved it. That is sure and positive” (Teachings of Lorenzo Snow, 138).
    Elder Richard G. Scott“If you are single and haven’t identified a solid prospect for celestial marriage, live for it. Pray for it. Expect it in the timetable of the Lord. Do not compromise your standards in any way that would rule out that blessing on this or the other side of the veil. The Lord knows the intent of your heart. His prophets have stated that you will have that blessing as you consistently live to qualify for it” (in Conference Report, Apr. 1999, 33; or Ensign, May 1999, 27).
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    Traveler reacted to mordorbund in A Risen Army   
    Yes He did. And the entire process is described as you read on (with sinew attaching to the dry bones and skin on top of that). The whole thing serves as an allegory for dead Israel to receive life again, while testifying of a literal resurrection. As you read on, you find another allegory coupled with a literal prophecy. The gathering of Israel will principly be the joining of Judah with Ephraim (or Joseph) who have long since been estranged. This is alluded to by joining two "sticks" (which could also be translated "books"). The literal fulfillment of two books joining together can be found when both the Bible (a book written and preserved predominantly by Judah) is joined with the Book of Mormon (a book written and preserved predominantly by Joseph). Both testify of the future gathering of Israel, while the Book of Mormon openly states its purpose is to renew Jehovah's covenant with lost Israel.
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    Traveler reacted to Anddenex in How indepth does the Church go in teaching YM about the Priesthood?   
    I would second Traveler's response.  I know every young men in our ward has been taught and read from the Oath and Covenant, they have read from D&C 20 and other chapters that specify their duties, however the one they remember -- the one they practice every Sunday.
     
    This new system, curriculum, the Church has for the Youth is wonderful.  The struggle is changing the culture of teaching.  At the same time, the duty rests upon the Father to teach the children their preisthood responsibility, the Church assists.  I am hoping my three boys will be able to answer a question like yours fully.