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    Traveler got a reaction from MrShorty in Life, Death and an Isotropic Universe:   
    Background noise (like from a star) is going to be much stronger than a regular intelligent signal.  However, it is not that difficult to filter out the kind of frequencies that occur from various kinds of stars and other background radiation.  This kind of filtering is done naturally by various predictor and other life forms.  For example, there is evidence that migrating birds and aquodic life forms use faint electromagnetic radiation for location.  In fact the background radiation can be very helpful as a "carrier wave".  This technology is also used to determine the elemental composition and age of various stars.  When I was working for the defense department (anti submarine warfare) we used similar sonar detection systems.  The ocean can carry a lot of sonic information and with triangulation we were able to determine; the identity, location, speed, bearing and load of a vessel from hundreds of miles away - even if such a vessel was in a convoy of several vessels.
    The theory in SETI is that there is a probability of intelligent life that has evolved to our level or greater among the billions of stars just in our milky way  galaxy that we should be able to detect something of a repeating nature.  There have been a number of electromagnetic burst of interest but in theory the signal would be repetitive.  But for all the theoretical probabilities - nothing has been found and there is no good explanation for that.
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    Traveler got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Isaiah Translation   
    Does your opinion include the evidence of Isaiah in the Book of Mormon? - that references Isaiah from about 100 years before the Lehi migration took place. (that predates from 100 to 200 years prior to you reference to unified models?   So that the time between Isaiah and king Ahaz to  Lehi is half the time you are assuming it took to evolve the current Isaiah.  BTW all this is less than half the time between us and the creation of most revelations in the Doctrine and Covenants.  
    It is also interesting to me that it would evolve for 300 years and then suddenly stop between then and the copy of Isaiah we have from the Dead Sea Scriptures????  Why is it not possible that the literary forms come from the license of Scribes transcribing the work rather than individual authors?  I realize that we do not have any autograms beyond perhaps what was part of the Brass Plates.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to prisonchaplain in Prisonchaplain retiring...from prison chaplaincy   
    @Traveler  Traditional Christian seminaries would require a doctorate-holder, and LDS ones would require many qualities I lack (such as an authorized LDS baptism). On the other hand, I found out that the school I'm applying to has a chaplain and offers concurrent classes with Northwest University (A/G) for its high school students. So... maybe.
    Then again, God may see fit to have me serve public schools, in which case I would be considered a community chaplain. As long as its His first choice, I'm all in. 
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    Traveler reacted to MrShorty in Life, Death and an Isotropic Universe:   
    True, but it seems arguable that science has not been able to penetrate very deep into the universe. According to the Planetary Habitability laboratory (http://phl.upr.edu/projects/habitable-exoplanets-catalog/top10), the farthest exoplanet (not even considering planet type or habitability) is about 30 kly away. For comparison, it is estimated that our planet is about 30 kly from the center of our galaxy, so our "bubble" of observing exoplanets consists of only a small portion of our Milky Way. I don't know what it would take to detect intelligent life outside of our solar system, but it seems almost certain that we have barely even begun to search and we are severely limited in our ability to search. At present, I'm not sure science can even begin to answer the question.
    I guess it depends on what characteristics you consider when you say "unique". Clearly, within our observation limits, Earth is the only one with confirmed life, but there are several "rocky, Earth size planets" within our observation limits.
    As much as I despise semantics, I get hung up what we mean/scripture means when it says "world" in this context. Is a star/solar system considered a world? A galaxy? A universe?
    I'm not sure how to answer the questions of how hostile other environments would be to life without assuming isotropy. Assuming life on other worlds is similar to our life, then I would hypothesize that all life exists under similar hostile conditions. Would life existing under non-hostile conditions be similar enough to us to be recognized as having the same Father?
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    Traveler reacted to askandanswer in Life, Death and an Isotropic Universe:   
    33  And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten.
    34  And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many.
    35  But only an account of this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, give I unto you.  For behold, there are many worlds that have passed away by the word of my power.  And there are many that now stand, and innumerable are they unto man; but all things are numbered unto me, for they are mine and I know them.
    (Pearl of Great Price | Moses 1:33 - 35)
    Elder McConkie and Elder Callister have both taught that Christ's infinite atonement covered all of God's creations, no matter which world they lived on.
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    Traveler got a reaction from askandanswer in Prisonchaplain retiring...from prison chaplaincy   
    Perhaps you ought to consider becoming a seminary teacher in Utah.   😎
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from MrShorty in Life, Death and an Isotropic Universe:   
    The universe we live in is believed to be isotropic.  Some claim that science has not proven this notion but is there anything in religion that rejects our universe as isotropic?  The essence of an isotropic universe is that the principles that are true are universal (the same everywhere).  The terms of universe and universal are obviously tightly connected.   In theory, if principles change then it is thought that we have traversed from our universe into another.  For the sake of understanding – if a hydrogen atom is coupled with two oxygen atoms we will have a water molecule – and it does not matter where in our universe we are – the result will always be the same – both in time and space.
    One of the questions surrounding the Big Bang theory has to do with the universe being isotropic.  In short – there are no “bangs” that are isotropic, let alone a “Big Bang”.  Bangs are anisotropic.  But in our universe even anisotropic materials and events are evenly or smoothly spread.  Thus the creation of that which is anisotropic in our universe becomes isotropic.  Are you confused yet?
    One of the great spiritual questions concerns life.  Most individuals are convinced that earth is not the only place in the universe where life (as we know it) exists.  There have been great debates between science and religion that center around and deal directly with life.  The truth is that our universe is very hostile towards life.  Science has not found a trace of intelligence life anywhere.  The big question coming out of all this is – are we alone?  Is life in this universe an abnormality and mistake?
    From our scriptures we are told that prior to the fall of Adam and Eve there was no death.  That all things, in essence, were in an eternal state that did not change or deteriorate over time. But from all the existing evidence – our universe is not only in a state of change – but change that is best described as violent and hostile to life.   That because of the fall – man was exiled to a very unique world described as “the loan and dreary world” where death was unavoidable and enviable.
    So here is my question – How unique is earth to this universe?  We are led to believe that G-d has created many worlds – are such other world hostile to life as we know it?  Is life here unique in that in order to survive we must live off of other life?  Is death unique to our earth?  How violent is life on other worlds?  Why dinosaurs? And why are they gone?  Why are most species (over 90%) that once lived on this planet now extinct?
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to maklelan in Isaiah Translation   
    I think it's a creative reading, particularly in the way he divides the text, but I don't think it has much to do with what was intended by the authors or editors, or what was understood by the first several generations of the text's readers.
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    Traveler got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Spiritual Bypassing   
    It is really good to see you back in for forum.
    This post may be longer that it should - for that please for give me.  When I was in high school we had a ping pong table in our basement activity room.  It was part of the competitiveness among friends and family.  I developed a killer serve that no one could handle.  I was guaranteed a point every time I used it.  I began to rely exclusively on this serve - the more I used it the better I got at it.  But I was not aware of something else that was happening.  Those that I was playing against were getting better at returning the serve.  Eventually, I went from winning every game to loosing every game.  I was much surprised at how quickly that transition happened. 
    So why this little story?  I believe it is just one of lives great lessons.   It does not matter how effective we are at a single task - we cannot rely on our own devises.  Our opposition is better at whatever "game" or "strategy" we may think to employ of our own intelligence and abilities.   
    I am not an expert at reading people but my impression of you is that you are very good a discipline and commitment.  I like to think of myself in such terms - I believe such to be of great honor.  Where I have difficulty is caring about others (with some few exceptions).  I struggle with emotional attachments - especially to things but it also includes people and ideas.  When I say emotional attachments I am referencing emotions mostly without logic.  I struggle even with spiritual things that I cannot connect to logically.
    Why this post to you?  I am not sure but what comes to mind is Moroni chapter 10.  Moving beyond verses 4 and 5 we get into an interesting and strong reference to spiritual gifts.  It is my understanding that every person in this mortal existence has a quiver of spiritual gifts.  I believe it is that person's genus - the spiritual gifts with which they excel to greatness.  But it seems that Moroni is suggesting (exhorting - which is a very strong word that he uses many times) to rely on the spiritual gifts of others - and not just our own.
    The trick - at least for me - is recognizing the spiritual gifts - both within ourselves and others - especially under conditions that we become completive or in opposition.  At least for me it is more exciting and fun to explore differences but the reality is that there is wisdom in finding supplementary and complimentary ways to work with others of differing views and opinions.  Obviously I lack certain spiritual gifts and the more we (as Latter-day Saints) can see beyond ourselves the better off we will all be.  Especially in dealing with our common opposition and accuser.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to Jonah in Who is G-d that I should know Him.   
    I have never met these beings, but I was thinking about those who are considered to be the one-third of
    Heavenly Father's spirit children who rejected his plan of salvation. I think these are classified as the sons
    of perdition, destined for outer darkness.
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    Traveler got a reaction from pam in Make the Forums Great Again   
    I believe there is a greater need for a forum such as this one - more than ever before.  But I am not sure that something needed is something utilized.  We live in a culture of intolerance that is becoming more and more dominate.  I started posting on forums many decades ago (Dr. Laura) because of the anti LDS posts.  I was asked to become involved.  What has happened is that in "efforts" to become more tolerant we have become less tolerant of opposing ideas.  Some call this current trend - the cancel culture.  Which is:  If someone disagrees with you it is because they think you are evil crud and one must respond in kind.  
    As a culture it is becoming an act of inferiority or stupidity to allow alternate opinions.  Of course there are always the opposite examples (like @prisonchaplain).  I have personally experimented with him to see where his boundaries of tolerance may lie but he has never taken that challenge.  And through it all he seems to see more similarities than differences in our religious faiths.
    There is a old saying:  "If you can not say nothing good about no body - it is more better you no say nothing!"  We do not have to respond to every challenge or answer every question.  I would personally prefer that the forum be more liberal concerning toxic posts - but the problem is that someone feel that they have to set trolls right.  Which is exactly what the trolls want and why they post.  If no one responded to such posts - they would no longer post. 
    It does seem to me that if someone posts a truthful and inspired post - it may be read by many but few will respond.  Say something offensive, foolish re unusually stupid and everybody will jump in with anger and things will quickly spiral out of control.  Which is exactly the purpose of trolls - and may I add Satan and his followers?
    I think Jesus said some interesting things about trolls when he said, "Love your enemies and do good to those that despitefully use you."  But then Jesus was quit strong in his rebuke of the Pharisees. 
    So here is my advice - never respond to any post in anger.  If you want to tell someone off - take a day off, pray about it then write a response.  If you heart is not full of love towards those you are addressing - save your post for another 24 hours - pray again about what you have written.  If you are still upset - then do not respond - rather find a post with which you agree and post a thanks.
    BTW - @pam Thanks for starting this thread.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from askandanswer in Make the Forums Great Again   
    Or anywhere else with a strange accent. 
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from pam in Make the Forums Great Again   
    I believe there is a greater need for a forum such as this one - more than ever before.  But I am not sure that something needed is something utilized.  We live in a culture of intolerance that is becoming more and more dominate.  I started posting on forums many decades ago (Dr. Laura) because of the anti LDS posts.  I was asked to become involved.  What has happened is that in "efforts" to become more tolerant we have become less tolerant of opposing ideas.  Some call this current trend - the cancel culture.  Which is:  If someone disagrees with you it is because they think you are evil crud and one must respond in kind.  
    As a culture it is becoming an act of inferiority or stupidity to allow alternate opinions.  Of course there are always the opposite examples (like @prisonchaplain).  I have personally experimented with him to see where his boundaries of tolerance may lie but he has never taken that challenge.  And through it all he seems to see more similarities than differences in our religious faiths.
    There is a old saying:  "If you can not say nothing good about no body - it is more better you no say nothing!"  We do not have to respond to every challenge or answer every question.  I would personally prefer that the forum be more liberal concerning toxic posts - but the problem is that someone feel that they have to set trolls right.  Which is exactly what the trolls want and why they post.  If no one responded to such posts - they would no longer post. 
    It does seem to me that if someone posts a truthful and inspired post - it may be read by many but few will respond.  Say something offensive, foolish re unusually stupid and everybody will jump in with anger and things will quickly spiral out of control.  Which is exactly the purpose of trolls - and may I add Satan and his followers?
    I think Jesus said some interesting things about trolls when he said, "Love your enemies and do good to those that despitefully use you."  But then Jesus was quit strong in his rebuke of the Pharisees. 
    So here is my advice - never respond to any post in anger.  If you want to tell someone off - take a day off, pray about it then write a response.  If you heart is not full of love towards those you are addressing - save your post for another 24 hours - pray again about what you have written.  If you are still upset - then do not respond - rather find a post with which you agree and post a thanks.
    BTW - @pam Thanks for starting this thread.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from pam in Make the Forums Great Again   
    I believe there is a greater need for a forum such as this one - more than ever before.  But I am not sure that something needed is something utilized.  We live in a culture of intolerance that is becoming more and more dominate.  I started posting on forums many decades ago (Dr. Laura) because of the anti LDS posts.  I was asked to become involved.  What has happened is that in "efforts" to become more tolerant we have become less tolerant of opposing ideas.  Some call this current trend - the cancel culture.  Which is:  If someone disagrees with you it is because they think you are evil crud and one must respond in kind.  
    As a culture it is becoming an act of inferiority or stupidity to allow alternate opinions.  Of course there are always the opposite examples (like @prisonchaplain).  I have personally experimented with him to see where his boundaries of tolerance may lie but he has never taken that challenge.  And through it all he seems to see more similarities than differences in our religious faiths.
    There is a old saying:  "If you can not say nothing good about no body - it is more better you no say nothing!"  We do not have to respond to every challenge or answer every question.  I would personally prefer that the forum be more liberal concerning toxic posts - but the problem is that someone feel that they have to set trolls right.  Which is exactly what the trolls want and why they post.  If no one responded to such posts - they would no longer post. 
    It does seem to me that if someone posts a truthful and inspired post - it may be read by many but few will respond.  Say something offensive, foolish re unusually stupid and everybody will jump in with anger and things will quickly spiral out of control.  Which is exactly the purpose of trolls - and may I add Satan and his followers?
    I think Jesus said some interesting things about trolls when he said, "Love your enemies and do good to those that despitefully use you."  But then Jesus was quit strong in his rebuke of the Pharisees. 
    So here is my advice - never respond to any post in anger.  If you want to tell someone off - take a day off, pray about it then write a response.  If you heart is not full of love towards those you are addressing - save your post for another 24 hours - pray again about what you have written.  If you are still upset - then do not respond - rather find a post with which you agree and post a thanks.
    BTW - @pam Thanks for starting this thread.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to The Folk Prophet in Spiritual Bypassing   
    I'd go so far as to say that there is no remedy to emotional and psychological issues that isn't spiritual.
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    Traveler reacted to Jane_Doe in Spiritual Bypassing   
    It’s way over generaling.  Are there some people whom like to avoid thinking: yes, the exist in all camps. It’s not remotely a spiritual only thing. 
     
    Now is is there any pint in responding: zero. 
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    Traveler reacted to Vort in Spiritual Bypassing   
    Yeah, I agree, it's baloney. The idea of "spiritual bypassing" as described in the opening sentences is probably correct. As human beings, we wrongly use all sorts of explanations and thinking, including the idea of spirituality, to explain away or hide from harsh realities. But the specifics of this idea as developed in the article are pure nonsense. Someone took a simple truth and grafted onto it all their doubts and insecurities, and the result is this "spiritual bypassing".
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    Traveler reacted to pam in Make the Forums Great Again   
    Do we want to lose more people?     
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    Traveler got a reaction from JohnsonJones in #GiveThanks   
    As much as I believe speaking thanks is good - I do not believe that words of thanks come close to deeds of thanks.
    I am thankful for the freedoms and liberties of this country:  I volunteered during a time of war to join the military - knowing that combat was likely and I could have avoided the draft.
    I am thankful for the restoration of the Gospel:  I have accepted and served in every calling I have been given - even when it interfered with my education, my profession and with planned family' activities and of course --- when I did not understand why I was called (example - my calling a nursery leader when I have no idea how to deal with little children - leaving such things to my wife when our children were little).  I also paid for my mission from my personal savings.
    I am thankful for others.  I believe in service but realize than I am not mindful of such things so I make it a point to volunteer then try to be the first to arrive and last to leave.
    I am thankful for my personal witness of the restoration:  I make an effort to witness my belief in the restoration when posting.
    I am thankful for many forum members:  I make a conscious effort to give thanks when I disagree and I apologize if I offend.  Sadly I do not often realize when I offend and so I apologize now for my lack of understanding of such things.  I thought to name some but rather than do that - Thanks to you all.  
    I am thankful for the Saints of Zion:  But I must admit that often I am not certain how to express such thanks to the Saints - but I do sustain and support even business owned and operated by fellow Saints. 
    I am thankful for the leadership in the Church:  I will not speak ill or wish for anyone to be released (not any more).  I will support anyone in their calling - even if they are unworthy of their calling - I know I am unworthy myself to stand in church callings as a proxy for Christ.  I am thankful for all that covenant with G-d and I will stand by them especially in times of their difficulty.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to JohnsonJones in General Authorities   
    I'm not sure an apostle (or other General Authority) would want to make it known that they were posting on any forums or who they were.  It would seem that there would be more problems present than not.  It COULD be that they post anonymously though...though to be truly anonymous they'd probably have to get some help from Tech or others from the church office building to help them be able to verify or appear as someone other than a General Authority.
    If anyone would know if a GA posts here it probably would be @Just_A_Guy or one of the other admins or moderators.  Even then, with the right tech going on, they might not know anymore than the rest of us.  (or, who knows, maybe there is a GA that is a moderator or admin assigned here, but we don't know who they are or their identity!)
    In either case, I think it's probably best if we act as I think @NeuroTypical says and treat everyone as if they are a special and unique individual and love them all as we would love a General Authority or Apostle if they were here. 
    I would not be surprised if a General Authority of some sort at least occasionally checks up on various forums (if for nothing else but to see what is currently going on with members in the cyber world as well as other trends), but it may be that they are too busy to do so as well.  I think that everyone deserves respect though, and that if we treat people how we probably should (and I probably have been at fault of not being polite or nice enough at times, so bogey on me), we would treat them politely and nicely as well, if they ever visit or read the forums here.
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    Traveler reacted to NeuroTypical in General Authorities   
    I try really hard (and often fail, but I do try), to think about the next person over, as someone I might meet in the celestial room of the temple.  Something that makes it easier to deal with people I'd consider my adversary, or a bad person, is to think about a scenario where I'm lying on my death bed, see the light, and they show up to usher me to the other side, having made it to heaven themselves.    It can be powerful juju if you do it seriously.
    That said, the Lord is no respecter of persons, and I try to be like Him.  Low or high in this or that organization, I try to not have that matter to me.  If my opinion about the personal behaviors and lives of an individual, is different when I find out they're a GA, or a janitor at my kids' school, then I figure I have something to change about myself.   
    This is different than the respect or trust I extend to people when acting in their stewardships. 
     
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    Traveler got a reaction from Jane_Doe in General Authorities   
    The internet and internet forums like this allow individuals to post with anonymity.   I have pondered what would happen of an Apostle of Christ were to post on this forum.  
    One of the reason I ponder such things is because GA are people - much like the rest of us.  A few years back (actually more than a few) I was driving to work.  Driving to work was rare for me because usually I commuted by bicycle.  It was rush hour so things were a little overloaded and dicey on the road.  I like to drive with some resemblance of intelligence - to avoid being injured.   But I was cut off quite rudely but a driver that quite frankly kind of put my life in danger but I decided to just let it pass.  Within a few minutes the exact same car cut me off a second time and there would have been an accident had I not slammed on the brakes and left rubber on the road.  This time I decided I should communicate with this nut job to let them know what a bad job of driving they were doing.  It took a bit to catch up and pull along side them.  But when they looked over, I realized that it was my Stake President - so I just smiled and waved.  I realized that normal people can upset me but when it was someone I respected - my attitude was changed.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to mirkwood in Trump 2024?   
    It won't be Pres. Biden for long.  I think we see him 25th Amendmented out first year. 
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    Traveler reacted to estradling75 in The election   
    If we are talking media bias then I would like to show this Studio C video... Its recent... its about a President... and it is generally silly and funny.  The only real politics about it is whatever you take into it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Ezcsb2qFk
    No real polices or agenda being put forth, just humor.   Now look just below the video to where YouTube is trying to "Fact Check", and counter "Fake News"   In this box it states "The AP has called the Presidential race for Joe Biden."   This is a true statement. The Associated Press has called the race.  But there is a problem.  Where in any of our Rule of Laws do we give the AP the power to select the president?   The answer is no where.  The Electoral Collage what makes that call.
    Now the AP is making a prediction of what the vote will be, and it has reasonable reasons to expect that to happen.  But what happens if the challenges are successful?  What happens is the Rule of Law runs its course and decides that Trump wins?  People will feel betrayed, fooled, tricked... But they will not turn on the people who got it wrong aka the AP aka the media...  They will turn on the people that got it right.  aka the Judges and judicial system.
    When the media is setting up to turn the population away from the rule of law we have serious problems.
     
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    Traveler reacted to Vort in Trump 2024?   
    Financial? Maybe. Legal? Unless the Democrats want to provoke a never-ending war of administrative retribution, they would do well to let their efforts go no further than the type of inflammatory rhetoric used by Trump.