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Brigham Young: "When the spirit of persecution, the spirit of hatred, or wrath, and malice ceases in the world against this people, it will be the time that this people have apostatized and joined hands with the wicked." Gordon B. Hinckley: "Ours is the blessing to live in a better season. The terrible persecutions of the past are behind us. Today we are looked upon with respect by people across the world."

so, the all knowing God sent them down to those experiences and you are saying you think its all a mistake that needs correcting?

when I left the movie Jurassic Park, I knew they could now make the LOTR

the words "avoid the appearance of evil"

if you buy a turkey for thanksgiving you are paying less for it than the store. thats the way it is. so, if you wanted to can 50 quarts of turkey, why would you buy them any other time? why not buy all your corned beef the day after saint patty's?

this site is dedicated to combating the evils of occult practice and new age spiritualism. of great interest is the source of these things. Father Thy Will Be Done

repentance will not end your marriage, it is non existent right now. repentance will be the only thing that will re-instate your marriage. You are not a father to your kids right now. you are an atm. You cannot be a proper father figgure by doing the wrong thing. by showing them that a man stands up to his mistakes and pays the price, you will be a father again. You cannot lead your family, or your children to the tree of life in your current state. you will be trying to be a father for the duration of your childrens childhood without the benefit of the guidance of the Holy Ghost. You cannot understand the horrible impact of living that lie will have in your home. You cannot give your children priesthood blessings with any power, you can only fake it. that will be screaming wonderful for their understanding of the power of the priesthood and the gospel. your reasoning is selfish, its for your sake that you want to be around to raise them, but it is not for their sake. if you were really worried about them, you would pay any price, any price to correct your mistakes so you could bless them as a father, and a priesthood holder if needed.

Moses, 2 27 And I, God, created man in mine own image, in the image of mine Only Begotten created I him; male and female created I them. Gen, 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Moses 6:9 In the image of his own body, male and female, created he them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created and became living souls in the land upon the footstool of God.

hmm, seems the endowment would clear this up.

I disagree, it the most basic simple terms, you could think of grace as the greatest gift, but you still have to open the box. think of it this way: you take a journey, you go through pits, and mountains, and cliffs and valleys of death and mists of darkness and Indiana Jones style traps shooting fiery darts of death at you to reach a place of sublime beauty and peace. Grace= the ladder to get out of the pit, the substance to give you energy and water to sustain you and clothing to warm you over the mountians, the ropes to protect you while you climb the cliffs, the courage to keep moving through the valleys, the rod to guide you through the mists, the armor to protect you, and the place of sublime beauty and peace. your part= you must climb the ladder, it is not a escalator or transporter or a elevator. you must partake of the bread and water and clothing. your must tie the rope around you. you must pray for courage, you must grasp the rod, put on the armor and SEEK the place. Grace is EVERYTHING. the power to move, the foundation you move on. but YOU must move. the thing is, as you journey, you will always find that someone has gone before you and marked the path, and prepared places of safety. but you must make the journey.

what utter filth. at least some of the last few posters have stated a bit of truth. ....or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man. no where in this entire thread was there expressed agony of spirt for your beloved brethern, only selfish concern with HT NUMBERS. EVERYTHING about the approach taken here has been to compel obedience, nowhere was there any mention of : long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned; By kindness, and pure knowledge, inviting to come, follow the Savior. this is a gospel of great joy and light. this thread is darkness.

please see BKP's talk today in GC. it is availible here: Watch LDS General Conference Live Online and at 35:20 he says we can foolishly give our agency away, but that it CANNOT BE FORCIBLY TAKEN FROM US. not shouting just want to add emphasis. please try to get the meaning behind this. it is very important. it will also help you understand Gods love.

YouTube - LDS Freedom Project II-Follow the Prophet

I think its grand that you can come to an LDS oriented web site and discuss the entertainment value of a show dedicated to secret combination's built up to get power and gain.

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I think if you desire to walk away from a loan you should understand how the loan originates. Try reading the creature from Jekyll island or watching it on youtube.

I agree. I do not subscribe to all his conclusions, but in general he is much closer than most of the posts on both topics.

might I recommend: Amazon.com: Satan's War on Free Agency (9781930980068): Greg Wright: Books

ok, its really really tough to write out how this works. it takes hours to do just a introductory class on it. there are two choices, each has a path, and a destination. _______________ O _______________ O its easy to get liberty and bondage mixed up because you are BOUND in both cases. in the first case, you have to CHOOSE the destination (or outcome) and then if you want that outcome you MUST bind yourself to the path (or action). this is liberty. in the second case you CHOOSE the path (or action) (normally this is done reactionary) and then you are BOUND to the outcome. Binding YOURSELF to the path (or action) is called liberty being bound to the destination (or outcome) is called bondage. now understand this is just how we do it. the law is what says what path leads to what destination. the natural man will choose bondage each time because the "path" is always easier on that road because the consequences come later. Father knows the end of all paths. and even though you may be able to smoke a pack a day and hold your liquor, while winning footraces. it cannot lead to eternal life. it is bondage. Agency is the stewardship (you are an agent) and ability to choose between different outcomes pertaining to eternal life or captivity. Freedom is the ability to act on a choice. you can have choices without having agency, but you cannot have agency without choices. liberty is the result of a choice, or the thing you choose, not the act of choosing or the ability to choose.

Agency is about law. not commandments, but law, big difference. A commandment may change, but a law does not. Agency contains two choices. one of those choices leads to "LIBERTY" the other leads to "BONDAGE" (Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself. ) when we choose liberty, we gain more choices until we reach perfection and all choices are available to us. when we choose captivity, we loose choices until we have none left. how does this apply to Law vrs Commandments? look to the temporal world for a type. we can fly (more choices) because we understand and bring ourselves into compliance with the laws that govern flight. we use the laws that regulate gravity and thrust and high and low pressure systems and build composites and engines..... and make planes. by bringing ourselves into compliance with the laws we can achieve desired outcomes. EVERYTHING that comes from Father is both temporal and spiritually tuned to bring about the desired outcome of eternal life and joy. ******************* Man may remove some choices (this is really freedom, not agency) , but not the ones that will enable you to gain eternal life. you can always forgive and love. Abinadi was in chains, and put to death, most of his freedom and choices were removed by man. his agency remained. He was still able to choose to follow the Lord. His is now worlds without end. how would you picture his agency now compared to those who put him to death? these things are NOT the same: freedom choice agency liberty we cannot be "free to choose liberty" if they all mean the same thing. greater obedience to God yields greater freedom. now watch this: feel free to pm me with questions.

The Second Comforter:: Conversing with the Lord Through the Veil Amazon.com: The Second Comforter:: Conversing with the Lord Through the Veil (9780974015873): Denver C. Snuffer Jr.: Books and Beloved Enos Amazon.com: Beloved Enos (9780979845581): Denver C. Snuffer Jr.: Books

man cannot rob man of agency. we can loose our agency by our choices though.

No true Latter-day Saint and no true American can be a socialist or a communist or support programs leading in that direction. These evil philosophies are incompatible with Mormonism, the true gospel of Jesus Christ. In the war in heaven the devil advocated absolute eternal security at the sacrifice of our freedom. Although there is nothing more desirable to a Latter-day Saint than eternal security in God’s presence, and although God knew, as did we, that some of us would not achieve this security if we were allowed our freedom–yet the very God of heaven, who has more mercy than us all, still decreed no guaranteed security except by a man’s own freedom of choice and individual initiative. Today the devil as a wolf in a supposedly new suit of sheep’s clothing is enticing some men, both in and out of the Church, to parrot his line by advocating planned government guaranteed security programs at the expense of our liberties. Latter-day Saints should be reminded how and why they voted as they did in heaven. If some have decided to change their vote they should repent–throw their support on the side of freedom–and cease promoting this subversion. Ezra Taft Benson General Conference, October 1961

you are correct in your assessment and course on this gator.

how is it possible to pay 20% on something that is DEFINED as 10%?