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Isaiah Explorer: a great resource
caspianrex posted a topic in Old TestamentIf you are interested in studying the Book of Isaiah in great depth, you should check out this resource: Isaiah Explorer. The site offers a ton of excellent resources for studying every single verse of this major Old Testament prophet. It's created by KC Kern, who is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (KC also has an excellent Book of Mormon site, that is put together really well.) He's added a lot of features to the site, including facsimiles of the Isaiah scroll from the Dead Sea Scrolls. In the interest of full disclosure, I personally am not LDS, but I discovered KC's Book of Mormon site several years ago, as well as the link to his Isaiah site in its earlier form, and he and I have been Facebook friends for quite some time now. The Isaiah site is useful for members of the Church, as well as "mainline" Christians like myself. Blessings, Cory Howell Nashville, TN
OT lesson 3, maybe 4, and maybe maybe 6
MrShorty posted a topic in LDS Gospel DiscussionWhile following and even commenting on the recent topic on evolution (https://mormonhub.com/forums/topic/63530-adam-and-eve-and-evolution/), I have a slight sense of foreboding as we begin our study of the OT this year. Lesson 3 (https://www.lds.org/manual/old-testament-gospel-doctrine-teachers-manual?lang=eng) is on the creation, and, as the other thread (and many of the other attempts to discuss the topic on this forum over the years) shows, it has the potential to become a long debate generating more heat then light and otherwise getting bogged down in some irrelevant sub-topics. My intention is not to rehash the same discussion -- that can continue in the other thread. My intention here is to get advice and counsel from the peanut gallery mormonhub crowd for teachers and participants to make these lessons productive. What topics should be included? What should be avoided? I notice that the manual does not even acknowledge that these kind of debates exist. Is it better for the teacher to follow the manual and hope it doesn't come up or acknowledge the debate and explain that he/she does not want to delve into those kind of questions? When do you bite your tongue if someone brings up a topic on the "don't talk about that" list? When do you stop biting your tongue?
How accurate is the Old Testament?
Snigmorder posted a topic in General DiscussionI've been reading the book of Genesis (started in chapter 6) and I'm currently on chapter 16. So far my experience with Genesis has been one of a paranoid child walking through the woods at night jumping at every sound he hears. I'm skeptical of every verse I read thinking to myself "how close is this to the original, how many errors are here?" I know the 8th article of faith but it doesn't answer my question. Its getting to the point where I'm only accepting a minority of what I'm reading. For example, the account of Ham's cursing is so vague that, if read literally, Noah cursed Ham for seeing his penis. It's described as "this thing you have done" it's obvious there's something missing in the account. And for some reason I doubted that Abram had hundreds of servants, imagining him as some kind a vagrant with a small flock. "He couldn't have that many servants back then" (I don't even know what this statement means.) Apparently certain theological groups in Judaism altered certain passages of the Old Testament to remove any indication that Yahweh was subservient to the most High God. How prevalent was this practice? So, basically, here's the question. Am I reading a great fiction penned by scribes and poachers? Is it a bad plastic surgery? Or is the Old Testament fundamentally accurate in it's rendering of the original text? How should I understand the Old Testament?
Made Harder SeriesI've seen several of the books in the "Made Harder" series such as can been seen Here: http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/madeharder/ and Here: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1?ie=UTF8&text=James+E.+Faulconer&search-alias=books&field-author=James+E.+Faulconer&sort=relevancerank And was wondering if anyone has read or used them. I was thinking about possibly getting one or some of them for scripture study, but was unsure if it would be worth it or not. I would like to hear about your thoughts, or reviews of them.
I started reading the Old Testament at about the beginning of the year, and had to stop for a while about a month ago half way through Leviticus because I hadn't felt the spirit with anything I was reading for weeks. I just picked it back up again and feel the same way. I have read several Apocraphal books or parts of books, some of which I feel the spirit strongly about and some that I either don't feel anything at all or a bad feeling that the text has been manipulated or inspired by false spirits. The sad thing is that I don't feel any different about many of the parts of the Old Testament than I do about the apocrapha. Some parts feel right, some wrong, and some I feel nothing on which makes me feel like I'm wasting my time reading them. “Speaking of the Apocrypha the Lord says: ‘There are many things contained therein that are true, and it is mostly translated correctly; There are many things contained therein that are not true, which are interpolations by the hands of men. Verily, I say unto you, that it is not needful that the Apocrypha should be translated. Therefore, whoso readeth it, let him understand, for the Spirit manifesteth truth; And whoso is enlightened by the Spirit shall obtain benefit therefrom; And whoso receiveth not by the Spirit, cannot be benefited. Therefore it is not needful that it should be translated.’ (D. & C. 91.) . . . I basically feel the same way about many parts of the Old Testament. Am I off base? Reading the OT makes me question if I even know/understand God at all, because he's so vastly different in the OT than in the New Testament, Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. I have several different ways of rationalizing God treating people differently in parts of the OT than he does now, but I don't know if that's a correct way to look at it, or if its more correct to say that much of what's contained in the the OT (cultural practices, punishments, incredibally detailed rituals, etc...) is the philosophies of men mingled with divine inspiration. Some books are full of inspiration and wisdom, and some seem to be filled with almost the opposite. I really hate feeling that way about some of the books and I'm just trying to get some insights into what I'm missing. Thoughts?
Hello, I don't have difficulty with the Book of Mormon. However, I find it very difficult that I might have to use the protestant version of the Old Testament, instead of the earlier orthodox version of the Old Testament - used by Catholics. I searched lds.org and mormon.org and didn't find anything definitive that would "prohibit" me from using the Septuagint. So, that is my question. Do I have to let go of the Septuagint in order to be Mormon? Thanks
Job 1:6 - Satan came also
Spartan117 posted a topic in LDS Gospel DiscussionI was reading Job the other day and this particular verse caught my attention. Job 1:6 reads .. There is a footnote with a reference to the JST, verse 6 in the JST reads .. -- The only difference is "sons" in the KJV is changed to "children" in the JST.So reading verse 6 literally, Satan came before the Lord and talked with Him about Job. Their conversation about Job goes until verse 12, where it reads ... Job 1:12 Reading verse 12 literally, Satan was in the presence of God for their conversation. This raises several questions for me that I'd like to pose for discussion here ... D&C 76:25–27: an angel of God who was .. in the presence of God, who rebelled .. and was thrust down from the presence of God and the Son. -- So Satan was able to just invite himself back into the presence of the Lord for a chat? Job 1:6: .. the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord -- What is the nature of this event? Where was it held? When was it held? Thoughts?