DisRuptive1 Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 I'm curious. When Jesus was sent here did he also have the veil put over his mind? Or did he know every single little thing, every little detail? When he told the apostles that one of them was going to betray him, did he know which one? Was Heavenly Father testing Christ in order to make sure he was acting Christ-like to all of the apostles, even though one of them was going to betray him and another was going to deny him thrice? Or did Jesus come to Earth without faith, with nothing but knowledge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest curvette Posted August 22, 2004 Report Share Posted August 22, 2004 Originally posted by DisRuptive1@Aug 20 2004, 09:48 PM When he told the apostles that one of them was going to betray him, did he know which one? ? According to the Bible, Jesus knew that Judas would betray him and that Peter would deny him. It isn't clear on exactly when he knew of his mission. He certainly must have known something was up by age twelve when he was teaching the astonished rabbis in the temple. I like to think that he had a relatively ordinary, innocent childhood, but no one really knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheProudDuck Posted August 23, 2004 Report Share Posted August 23, 2004 Luke 2:52:And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favourwith God and man.D&C 93:12-14 also indicates that Jesus' wisdom increased as he grew, suggesting that he was born with less than perfect knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedomansam Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 he learned line upon line, precept upon precept, just like we all have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest curvette Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Originally posted by speedomansam@Aug 23 2004, 09:16 PM he learned line upon line, precept upon precept, just like we all have to. I suspect He may have had a "little" extra help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisRuptive1 Posted August 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Since faith is like the opposite of knowledge (although ignorance is actually the opposite but faith is like ignorance but religiously but we know it to be true, but don't have knowledge of it's truthfulness, etc.) does that mean that Jesus had to also build in his faith and learn to trust in the Lord and everything? Does he have his own conversion story? And if you know how 16 year olds are then I'm sure you'll understand how Jesus was telling off all those priests, he probably thought he knew EVERYTHING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faerie Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 I'm sure Christ had to come to grips w/ whatever he learned/was revealed just as Joseph had to come to grips with it...being that Christ is only 1/2 human though, I'm sure he had an easier time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maureen Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Originally posted by Faerie@Aug 24 2004, 03:25 PM ...being that Christ is only 1/2 human though.... I disagree. Jesus was fully human.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faerie Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 you know what I mean...He was God's son...the whole "1/2 God, 1/2 human" thing..of course He was fully human in a physical sense...just stating that due to who His father was, it may have been easier for him to accept his "family history" so to speak.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedomansam Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 i don't like this thread in that it's going in the direction of giving our savior less credit than he deserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Originally posted by Maureen+Aug 24 2004, 03:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Maureen @ Aug 24 2004, 03:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Faerie@Aug 24 2004, 03:25 PM ...being that Christ is only 1/2 human though.... I disagree. Jesus was fully human.M. If'n you define being God as fully human. If you define fully human as being fully human but not superhuman then no, he was not fully human.One can say that Christ was fully God and fully human but only if you create a new definition of "human.' If we start creating new definitions then I can truthfully say that I am the queen of Sheeba, if we define queen of Sheeba as "Mormon geeky guy." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Originally posted by speedomansam@Aug 24 2004, 06:49 PM i don't like this thread in that it's going in the direction of giving our savior less credit than he deserves. And I don't like Jennifer Lopez in that she is a stuck up sticky beet pretending to just be good ole Jenny from the hood,... but what about this thread's posts do you think is doctrinally mistaken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faerie Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 *gigglesnorts at Snow* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedomansam Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Aug 24 2004, 08:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Aug 24 2004, 08:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--speedomansam@Aug 24 2004, 06:49 PM i don't like this thread in that it's going in the direction of giving our savior less credit than he deserves. And I don't like Jennifer Lopez in that she is a stuck up sticky beet pretending to just be good ole Jenny from the hood,... but what about this thread's posts do you think is doctrinally mistaken?it just seemed as though this thread was going towards "Christ was the son of God therefore things were easy for him, easier than they are for us, therefore his example is less related to our lives, etc", and although no one said that, i was just worried things would lead to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bat Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 /me is withholding comment because he is on his best behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 The Bible also tells us that Jesus at least did not know when He would return, that only the Father knew, so apparently He didn't know everything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest curvette Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Good point Outshined. I think Speedoman needs to relax a little. There are lots of disagreements on this board, but not a whole lot of blasphemies goin on... I think that the most important person to ever be born into this world was entitled to a little help on both sides of the veil, and I don't think that diminishes His importance at all. P.S. Good bat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setheus Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Is not Jesus our 'example' in ALL things? If he came to earth with the rule book and the teacher's guide then how could he judge us for making mistakes? He obviously grew in knowledge faster than all of us...but I belive that is only because he was willing to listen more than all of us. He was subject to everything we are subjected to. Else what would his judgment matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest curvette Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Originally posted by Setheus@Aug 26 2004, 12:30 PM Is not Jesus our 'example' in ALL things? If he came to earth with the rule book and the teacher's guide then how could he judge us for making mistakes? He obviously grew in knowledge faster than all of us...but I belive that is only because he was willing to listen more than all of us. He was subject to everything we are subjected to. Else what would his judgment matter? He was subject to EVERYTHING we are subject to? I disagree. That would require Him to go through childbirth in order to perfectly judge me. I trust His judgement anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faerie Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 well...what he did not "experience" physically, he experienced in the Garden...that's what I was always taught growing up...that he took on not only our sins, but also all of our pain, sickness, misery, etc...so he COULD have had an idea of what childbirth felt like..who knows..lol but as far as what Setheus said, I agree...as he's talking from a male perspective...or something...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedomansam Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest curvette Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Originally posted by Faerie@Aug 26 2004, 01:54 PM well...what he did not "experience" physically, he experienced in the Garden...that's what I was always taught growing up...that he took on not only our sins, but also all of our pain, sickness, misery, etc...so he COULD have had an idea of what childbirth felt like..who knows..lol It's so hard to even begin to comprehend. It's hard to even ponder because obviously, the things that took place in the garden had to have happened in some sort of "supernatural" or "spiritual" sense that was real, and yet nothing any of us have ever experienced. This is another way that I think Jesus was more than mortal and experienced life in a way that was like us in many ways, but very different in others. The facts that an Angel strengthened Him on the cross, and the Angels announced His birth make me think that He had special support from the other side throughout His life. I don't understand why that's interpreted as minimizing Him in any way. If anything--it shows that God had a very vested interest in His mission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faerie Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 but doesn't it make you feel good that we can gripe about childbirth and He'll understand, while no male on this earth will? sidenote: i'm petrified of the end of my ticker... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest curvette Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Originally posted by Faerie@Aug 26 2004, 10:16 PM but doesn't it make you feel good that we can gripe about childbirth and He'll understand, while no male on this earth will? Except maybe Arnold Schwartznegger! :) (I guess you'd have had to see the movie...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 I'm pretty sure our Creator knows what every one of us has to endure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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