Do you drink Coke?

[Guest Brigham_boner_young]

Drinking coke is bad but snorting it is ok.

P.S. you are wrong I rode an elephant with those white native people. They also rode pigs and goats and had lots of wives who also liked da coka in dare nosa :)

[Hemidakota]

Joseph_Smith

Under what speculator science field of study do we use, when rewriting Meso-America history? It is not hard to ask for truths and allow the Holy Ghost over time teach us as it did with Joseph, told by his mother [Lucy Mack Smith], as he witnessed many visions on their day. We can build a perfect map but not what our gathered ‘honorable’ brethren would have us think was true.

No! It is was not and still not proven by science but a mere speculation based on limited findings and assumption what is now, by this main stream [not telling the names by stirring the pot] group who wish to disapprove the Book of Mormon. Instead of feuding and bickering over whether or not the BoM was these people called out who thrived in that area of land, we should be writing history based on what really did happen. Not fables or made up historical timelines as we are doing with evolution.

[Guest Brigham_boner_young]

Dear hemidakota,

The 1996 Smithsonian Statement Regarding the Book of Mormon

1. The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archeologists see no direct connection between the archeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.

2. The physical type of the American Indian is basically Mongoloid, being most closely related to that of the peoples of eastern, central, and northeastern Asia. Archeological evidence indicates that the ancestors of the present Indians came into the New World - probably over a land bridge known to have existed in the Bering Strait region during the last Ice Age - in a continuing series of small migration beginning from about 25,000 to 35,000 years ago.

3. Present evidence indicates that the first people to reach this continent from the East were the Norsemen who briefly visited the northeastern part of North America around A.D. 1000 and then settled in Greenland. There is nothing to show that they reached Mexico or Central America.

4. One of the main lines of evidence supporting the scientific finding that contacts with the Old World, if indeed they occurred at all, were of very little significance for the development of American Indian civilizations, is the fact that none of the principal Old World domesticated food plants or animals (except the dog) occurred in the New World in pre-Columbian times. American Indians had no wheat, barley, oats, millet, rice, cattle, pigs, chickens, horses, donkeys, camels before 1492. (Camels and horses were in the Americas, along with the bison, mammoth, and mastodon, but all these animals became extinct around 10,000 B.C. at the time when the early big game hunters spread across the Americas.)

5. Iron, steel, glass, and silk were not used in the New World before 1492 (except for the occasional use of unsmelted meteoric iron). Native copper was worked in various locations in pre-Columbian times, but true metallurgy was limited to southern Mexico and the Andean region, where its occurrence in late prehistoric times involved gold, silver, copper, and their alloys, but not iron.

6. There is a possibility that the spread of cultural traits across the Pacific to Mesoamerica and the northwestern coast of South America began several hundred years before the Christian era. However, any such inter-hemispheric contacts appear to have been the results of accidental voyages originating in eastern and southern Asia. It is by no means certain that such contacts occurred; certainly there were no contacts with the ancient Egyptians, Hebrews, or other peoples of Western Asian [sic] and the Near East.

7. No reputable Egyptologist or other specialist on Old World archeology, and no expert on New World prehistory, has discovered or confirmed any relationship between archeological remains in Mexico and archeological remains in Egypt.

8. Reports of findings of ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, and other Old World writings in the New World in pre-Columbian contexts have frequently appeared in newspapers, magazines and sensational books. None of these claims has stood up to examination by reputable scholars. No inscriptions using Old World forms of writing have been shown to have occurred in any part of the Americas before 1492 except for a few Norse rune stones which have been found in Greenland.

9. There are copies of the Book of Mormon in the library of the National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution

Response to the Smithsonian Institute Statement on the Book of Mormon

[Hemidakota]

Ludlow's field is Near Eastern and Judaic Studies and I don't think he is a general authority, so we may have to consider his statement opinion rather than authoritative.

Wicki (google "green tea") says that black and green teas are from the same plant, but black tea is oxidized in a process (apparently falsely) called "fermentation".

I'm just playing the 'devil's advocate' here but I continue to think that my analogy about grapes, grape juice, and wine, could be similar to the difference between black and green teas. (Same fruit/leaf but one is further processed and it's that processing that makes it offensive to the WOW compared to the format that is not further processed.)

Comments/opinions?

Yes I do know Victor Ludlow is a religion professor at the ‘Y’. Remember, his viewpoints are well accepted by many and I do not expect he will ever hold a GA position. He is needed where he is currently serving - as a professor.

Now, even I don't venture into the Wiki Gospel to give credit to anything to make something doctrinal or to be used to deny doctrinal points. It just my opinion.

As I don't share that view at all. There are known toxic elements within both Coffee and Tea that are a health problem, even aging issue with heavy drinkers can speed up the process of mortal decay within the epidermal replenishment cycle – possible a chemical ph balance shock. It is have nothing to do with Caffeine that some may assumed here. Grapes and grape skins have been proven to help many problems. The leaves themselves, which makes that popular brew throughout the day, may need further investigation of this notable problem. Can we eat them prior to chemical changes by manufactures? I simply do not know but still will avoid it.

Heard of white tea? Just as dangerous as green tea. Black tea has been fully fermented during processing, and green has not been fermented at all. Oolong teas are somewhere in the middle. So what is 'white tea'? Well, just like those other teas, white tea come from the Camellia sinensis plant. But the leaves are picked and harvested before the leaves open fully, when the buds are still covered by fine white hair. Hence the name. White tea is scarcer than the other traditional teas, and quite a bit more expensive. White tea is similar to green tea, in that it's undergone very little processing and no fermentation.

[Hemidakota]

Dear hemidakota,

The 1996 Smithsonian Statement Regarding the Book of Mormon

1. The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archeologists see no direct connection between the archeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.

2. The physical type of the American Indian is basically Mongoloid, being most closely related to that of the peoples of eastern, central, and northeastern Asia. Archeological evidence indicates that the ancestors of the present Indians came into the New World - probably over a land bridge known to have existed in the Bering Strait region during the last Ice Age - in a continuing series of small migration beginning from about 25,000 to 35,000 years ago.

3. Present evidence indicates that the first people to reach this continent from the East were the Norsemen who briefly visited the northeastern part of North America around A.D. 1000 and then settled in Greenland. There is nothing to show that they reached Mexico or Central America.

4. One of the main lines of evidence supporting the scientific finding that contacts with the Old World, if indeed they occurred at all, were of very little significance for the development of American Indian civilizations, is the fact that none of the principal Old World domesticated food plants or animals (except the dog) occurred in the New World in pre-Columbian times. American Indians had no wheat, barley, oats, millet, rice, cattle, pigs, chickens, horses, donkeys, camels before 1492. (Camels and horses were in the Americas, along with the bison, mammoth, and mastodon, but all these animals became extinct around 10,000 B.C. at the time when the early big game hunters spread across the Americas.)

5. Iron, steel, glass, and silk were not used in the New World before 1492 (except for the occasional use of unsmelted meteoric iron). Native copper was worked in various locations in pre-Columbian times, but true metallurgy was limited to southern Mexico and the Andean region, where its occurrence in late prehistoric times involved gold, silver, copper, and their alloys, but not iron.

6. There is a possibility that the spread of cultural traits across the Pacific to Mesoamerica and the northwestern coast of South America began several hundred years before the Christian era. However, any such inter-hemispheric contacts appear to have been the results of accidental voyages originating in eastern and southern Asia. It is by no means certain that such contacts occurred; certainly there were no contacts with the ancient Egyptians, Hebrews, or other peoples of Western Asian [sic] and the Near East.

7. No reputable Egyptologist or other specialist on Old World archeology, and no expert on New World prehistory, has discovered or confirmed any relationship between archeological remains in Mexico and archeological remains in Egypt.

8. Reports of findings of ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, and other Old World writings in the New World in pre-Columbian contexts have frequently appeared in newspapers, magazines and sensational books. None of these claims has stood up to examination by reputable scholars. No inscriptions using Old World forms of writing have been shown to have occurred in any part of the Americas before 1492 except for a few Norse rune stones which have been found in Greenland.

9. There are copies of the Book of Mormon in the library of the National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution

Response to the Smithsonian Institute Statement on the Book of Mormon

On this forum, we do have a retired professor in this field who is better qualify to answer laughable findings. Coming from them, I would take it with a grain of salt since alot of stuff within the last year have been posted here already contradict Smithsonian findings. Sad to think, this is not the first time this museum was embarrassed by its on omission. . .

[Guest DeborahC]

Well, I think Heavenly Father drinks...

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroooooooooooooot Beer!

[justamere10]

Heard of white tea? Just as dangerous as green tea. Black tea has been fully fermented during processing, and green has not been fermented at all. Oolong teas are somewhere in the middle. So what is 'white tea'? Well, just like those other teas, white tea come from the Camellia sinensis plant. But the leaves are picked and harvested before the leaves open fully, when the buds are still covered by fine white hair. Hence the name. White tea is scarcer than the other traditional teas, and quite a bit more expensive. White tea is similar to green tea, in that it's undergone very little processing and no fermentation.

So what you're saying Hemi is that I shouldn't start drinking green or white or purple tea because it's hazardous to my health? How about that Los Angeles air?

I'm standing down, I'm not a tea advocate, just wanted to see what members of this board thought about the grape/wine/green/black idea in the context of the Word of Wisdom.

Thanks for responding.

[MormonMama]

Don't know if this article helps or not, but:

LDS.org - Relief Society Chapter Detail - Living the Word of Wisdom

[mnn727]

Good people,

Is it against the Word of Wisdom to drink Coke?

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No its not

[Hemidakota]

Even California water can hazardous to your health.

[justamere10]

Even California water can hazardous to your health.

That's just your opinion Hemi, personally I think the green water is ok, but watch out for that black stuff...