DigitalShadow Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I'm curious what people think about this. If a religion does something that you find morally repugnant, what (if anything) is wrong with publicly criticizing it and making your grievances known? Should religious beliefs be held beyond criticism?Oh, and here is a funny, somewhat related comic: Flea Snobbery: Laughing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kona0197 Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 The only religion I do not agree with is Scientology. As far as the poll I'm not gonna vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytor2112 Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I'm curious what people think about this. If a religion does something that you find morally repugnant, what (if anything) is wrong with publicly criticizing it and making your grievances known? Should religious beliefs be held beyond criticism?Oh, and here is a funny, somewhat related comic: Flea Snobbery: LaughingAbsolutely.......unless you live in Saudi Arabia, then not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomk Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I'm curious what people think about this. If a religion does something that you find morally repugnant, what (if anything) is wrong with publicly criticizing it and making your grievances known? Should religious beliefs be held beyond criticism?Oh, and here is a funny, somewhat related comic: Flea Snobbery: Laughing It depends on what that religion is pushing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomk Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 In the case of Prop 8 ... we don't deserve the animosity. Those who express themselves in that manner are hypocrites and uninformed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcat Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Sure, I think it is fine to criticize religion publicly if something they are doing does not seem moral. Sometimes, but not always its a good thing to do so. A good example might be the heavy criticism of some of the actions of some priests of the RCC, in regards to abuse, has brought an issue to the fore, and allowed their religion to deal with it. I think picking on someone because they don't eat pork is a little silly though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prisonchaplain Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Yes. There is a group that teaches that God hates sinners. They believe this to be a profound theological truth. They picket our soldiers' funerals, because they believe God is punishing America for moral sin. I criticize them publically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john doe Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I'm not aware of any religion that does not receive public criticism. Can you name one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalShadow Posted December 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I'm not aware of any religion that does not receive public criticism. Can you name one?I'm not aware of any either, but I am aware of people who think that the public criticism is automatically inappropriate because it is toward a religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalShadow Posted December 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 In the case of Prop 8 ... we don't deserve the animosity. Those who express themselves in that manner are hypocrites and uninformed.Very few people believe they deserve animosity for their actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aesa Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 It's absolutely okay to disagree with a religions tenets if it is not morally correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterVenkman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 In my opinion nothing is protected from criticism. It is always important to be skeptical of any institution that claims to hold the capital T Truth, regardless of "what it is pushing." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavenguard Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Any and every religion or belief set should be up to criticism. However, there's a difference between criticism and slander, hate, attacks, and disrespect. Respect is the key point here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenRaines Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I voted in the poll before reading your post. Criticize for actions, sure. Criticize for beliefs I think is contrary to what we state in our Articles of Faith. If a religion wants to stone a woman because she was raped, happened in Indonesia, then I would criticize but not so much the religion but the actions of its members. Ben Raines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefche Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Very few people believe they deserve animosity for their actions.Isn't animosity different than criticism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomk Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Very few people believe they deserve animosity for their actions. True!That's what makes some people hypocrites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalShadow Posted December 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Isn't animosity different than criticism?In my opinion it is, but I don't know if everyone makes that distinction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalShadow Posted December 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 I voted in the poll before reading your post. Criticize for actions, sure. Criticize for beliefs I think is contrary to what we state in our Articles of Faith.If a religion wants to stone a woman because she was raped, happened in Indonesia, then I would criticize but not so much the religion but the actions of its members.Ben RainesWhy would you more criticize the actions rather than the religion? Of course it is the action that is morally wrong, but would those action have even happened if not for their religion enabling them to do it guilt free?(I'm really curious what you think and I'm not just trying to be a pain here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristofferUmfrey Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 "Ever" is the key word. So I would say "Yes" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Because often the actions of the members is what is wrong. It is not the religion itself. Extremists exist in most religions. There were even extremists in early LDS faith and perhaps even some today. So that is why I say not specifically the religion but the actions of some of its professed members or believers. Ben Raines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalShadow Posted December 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Because often the actions of the members is what is wrong. It is not the religion itself. Extremists exist in most religions. There were even extremists in early LDS faith and perhaps even some today.So that is why I say not specifically the religion but the actions of some of its professed members or believers. Ben RainesIn my opinion a religion is a congregation of people with a defined set of beliefs, regardless of what their scriptures say or how most people would interpret them. If one of those taught beliefs is immoral to me, I see no problem criticizing the "religion." I fully understand though that many religions have extremist "sects" which I consider as their own religion and that the actions of those people does not necessarily reflect the parent religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misshalfway Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 I think it becomes difficult not to speak out when some groups appear to be breaking the law. It is difficult not to speak out against sexual abuse perpetrated by a religious organization....especially when the organization buries or covers up evidence. I think issues like the FLDS situation in Texas are somewhat contraversial. If there was child abuse or under age marriages, then yes, something must be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HEthePrimate Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Of course! Why should religions be exempt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 I'm not aware of any religion that does not receive public criticism. Can you name one? Don't know the answer to that, but I do know that Druids have not been in the news much lately.Free speech goes with the turf of Western Democracies. And I am sure we can all think of religious people who cherish their right to criticize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimrod Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Sure. But there are many cafeats when it comes to criticism: 1. Removing the beam from your own eye 2. Be careful not to call that which is good, evil and that which is evil, good. 3. What are your motives in openly criticizing? 4. Is the criticizm directed at their beliefs? Their actions? *criticizing is one thing, but intolerance, persecuting, threatening, etc is another. With that in mind, BOM prophets criticized, if you will, how certain people in the BOM "worshipped." So did Jesus in the New Testament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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