KristofferUmfrey Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I think something said by president David O McKay applies:"All the money in the world will not buy a good woman, just a bad one."The TravelerThat saying is offensive. 90% of women who go into this type of profession were sexually abused as children. "Bad women"? No. "Hurting women" and "confused women"? Yes.I'm sure he got a talking to when arriving in Paradise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StallionMcBeastly Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 That saying is offensive. 90% of women who go into this type of profession were sexually abused as children. "Bad women"? No. "Hurting women" and "confused women"? Yes.I'm sure he got a talking to when arriving in Paradise.Can you provide a source that 90% of prostitutes were sexually abused as children?I may be not understanding the quote accurately, but it doesn't sound that McKay was talking about prostitutes - just implying women of a worldly nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristofferUmfrey Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Can you provide a source that 90% of prostitutes were sexually abused as children?I may be not understanding the quote accurately, but it doesn't sound that McKay was talking about prostitutes - just implying women of a worldly nature.Healing the Eight Stages of Life - Google Book Search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADoyle90815 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 what about the guys that are actually placing the bids? is no one condemning them?I clicked the "Thanks" because there's no "Amen!" button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensibility Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Many of us here are coming at it from the perspective of having been baptised and been through the temple, and having made personal covenants of chastity. It would be a much bigger deal for us than for a non-member, and sometimes it's hard to switch around our perspective to accomodate for someone who truly doesn't understand the law of chastity as we do.Most girls nowadays are explicitly taught that premarital sex is healthy, normal, nothing to be ashamed of and in fact preferable to waiting until marriage (if we ever do choose to marry). This isn't my extrapolation, this is literally what's being taught. I know, I'm from the same generation as this girl. I had the good fortune to grow up with the Gospel, so I knew it wasn't true--but most girls don't. A lot of feminist theory nowadays is even explicitly pro-prostitution. These aren't uncommon teachings--they are everywhere. These are scary times, and it's horrible but not surprising to see women falling for these lies.God knows when people sin ignorantly, and I believe with all my heart that He regards His children with loving mercy when they truly don't understand what they're doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 That saying is offensive. 90% of women who go into this type of profession were sexually abused as children. "Bad women"? No. "Hurting women" and "confused women"? Yes.I'm sure he got a talking to when arriving in Paradise. Rather interesting response - why have you assumed that President McKay was talking about a particular profession. I personally think you can extend his remarks to finding a good reliable and trusted friend by offering money. The Traveler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristofferUmfrey Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Rather interesting response - why have you assumed that President McKay was talking about a particular profession. I personally think you can extend his remarks to finding a good reliable and trusted friend by offering money. The TravelerThe person who posted it apparently felt it applied as they brought it up in a discussion about prostitution. So even if it wasn't Elder McKay's intent it was the intent of the person that brought it into the discussion. So maybe it's that person that should reevaluate their position towards these hurting women? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StallionMcBeastly Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 The person who posted it apparently felt it applied as they brought it up in a discussion about prostitution. So even if it wasn't Elder McKay's intent it was the intent of the person that brought it into the discussion. So maybe it's that person that should reevaluate their position towards these hurting women?I don't buy that 90% are hurting women. I believe most prostitutes are women with no morals that find it easier to make big bucks turning a trick than pushing a pencil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristofferUmfrey Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) I don't buy that 90% are hurting women. I believe most prostitutes are women with no morals that find it easier to make big bucks turning a trick than pushing a pencil.Study after study shows that up to 90% were sexually abused as children.Moroni 7 : 17 And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge, ye shall also be judged.I hope you can change your callous judgmental attitude before it is too late. Edited January 24, 2009 by KristofferUmfrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I don't buy that 90% are hurting women. I believe most prostitutes are women with no morals that find it easier to make big bucks turning a trick than pushing a pencil.Gee, a lack of morals has always done such a good job at making people happy, of course most prostitutes aren't hurting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Matt. 12: 3131 ¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Alma 39: 66 For behold, if ye deny the Holy Ghost when it once has had place in you, and ye know that ye deny it, behold, this is a sin which is unpardonable; yea, and whosoever murdereth against the light and knowledge of God, it is not easy for him to obtain forgiveness; yea, I say unto you, my son, that it is not easy for him to obtain a forgiveness. I've looked at the Matt. 12 verse and did some study on it-that's where I got my stance on it. I understand it and that's where I got my answer. The rest of it though is not laid out there so that's why I asked here he got his extrapolation. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 · Hidden Hidden The Matthew 12 ref. I've studied and that's where I got my response. Everything else is not there and thus my question. Thanks :) Link to comment
bmy- Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I'll just chime in here.. i've been dating my girlfriend for 2 years.. and i'm glad we haven't slept together. It really is difficult.. it's a struggle for sure. But it's worth every bit of frustration. I know her far better than I would otherwise. I wouldn't trade that for the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maya Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Way to go bmy!!!!!!!!!!!! You wont be sorry!!!I hear what your saying......the prostitute can be as clean as anyone else in the Lord's eyes through repentance. But, will she ever feel clean? Will she ever feel innocent and virtuous? I hope so, but that's my point, can one ever truly forget transgressions and feel as though they never happened? That saying is offensive. 90% of women who go into this type of profession were sexually abused as children. "Bad women"? No. "Hurting women" and "confused women"? Yes.I'm sure he got a talking to when arriving in Paradise.That is why we should teach our kids, that loosing virginity is NOT a sin IF it is done against that persons will! And especially abused kids, they are not responsible. Kids should be taught and they should feel so safe in Church that they dare to tell of abuse of any kind. It is sad that the judgemental attitude dont let the voice of those come up who say that they are not sinners, or quilty so they feel so bad and ashaimed, that they wont tell anyone. Many of us here are coming at it from the perspective of having been baptised and been through the temple, and having made personal covenants of chastity. It would be a much bigger deal for us than for a non-member, and sometimes it's hard to switch around our perspective to accomodate for someone who truly doesn't understand the law of chastity as we do.Most girls nowadays are explicitly taught that premarital sex is healthy, normal, nothing to be ashamed of and in fact preferable to waiting until marriage (if we ever do choose to marry). This isn't my extrapolation, this is literally what's being taught. I know, I'm from the same generation as this girl. I had the good fortune to grow up with the Gospel, so I knew it wasn't true--but most girls don't. A lot of feminist theory nowadays is even explicitly pro-prostitution. These aren't uncommon teachings--they are everywhere. These are scary times, and it's horrible but not surprising to see women falling for these lies.God knows when people sin ignorantly, and I believe with all my heart that He regards His children with loving mercy when they truly don't understand what they're doing.Yes that is VERY true! And my daughters decided to follow the techers, worlds advice. Their problem, I tought them the right. I cant live their life for them they have to do their own mistakes.WHY is it expected virginity of a woman and mans virginity is almost never tought about?? Both are equally important... but men wont get caught.... not fair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hordak Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 WHY is it expected virginity of a woman and mans virginity is almost never tought about?? Both are equally important... but men wont get caught.... not fair!That stems from our history. For a long time (and still in some cultures) women were viewed as property. Everyone likes a new puppy, but no one cares how many puppies you owned before.Disclaimer: I do not view women as property or puppies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarnished Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 What is sad about this whole thing is that it is not new. When I read this article my first thought was, "wow she is taking after Geisha tradition." Geisha did the same thing with soon to be new Geisha, had the men of the area bid on the girl's virginity. As the Geisha society has died out slowly over time the practice has become less and less common. It is strange and more than a little disturbing to see a modern day rendition of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I've looked at the Matt. 12 verse and did some study on it-that's where I got my stance on it. I understand it and that's where I got my answer. The rest of it though is not laid out there so that's why I asked here he got his extrapolation. ThanksAnswered...check your PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I'll just chime in here.. i've been dating my girlfriend for 2 years.. and i'm glad we haven't slept together. It really is difficult.. it's a struggle for sure. But it's worth every bit of frustration.I know her far better than I would otherwise. I wouldn't trade that for the world.Even swapping spit [kissing] can be dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maya Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Even swapping spit [kissing] can be dangerous. And I tought I was the only one and my goo`ol math teacher who used taht expression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmy- Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Even swapping spit [kissing] can be dangerous. Isn't that the truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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