Is America Becoming Socialist? I Think Not.

[Aesa]

"Socialist

Communist

Fascist

Marxist

Nazi

Christian

Muslim Terroist

Anti-semitic

Stupid

Born in Hawaii, Kenya and Canada"

Elphie, I'm sure you're aware that Socialism IS Nazism? Or did you just separate them for maximum effect?

[trulykiwi]

"Socialist

Elphie, I'm sure you're aware that Socialism IS Nazism? Or did you just separate them for maximum effect?

Ha ha I didn't want to say anything

[onlooker]

Is this really being discussed?

Here is what Ezra Taft Benson said over 40ys ago?

People here is the definition if capitalism "Capitalism is an economic system in which wealth, and the means of producing wealth, are privately owned and controlled."

You can't "kind of" have capitalism, it is an all or nothing thing. So right now we are clearly a socialist county.

People our currency is CRAP!! No body wants it... it's so bad that the FED is now buying their own debt:eek: WHY!!?? Because NOBODY wants to buy it. What happen when demand for something plummets? Supply goes through the roof and when that happens your currency becomes WORTHLESS...

I think this excerpt sums up what will probably be happening in the next 2-5 yrs

Second Great Rebellion (Chicago) Quote

A. Milton Musser papers, LDS Church Archives. It is a letter from

Nephi Packard to A. Milton Musser on July 24, 1896:

"... My brother, Noah Packard, says that he heard the Prophet Joseph

say that the next great (U.S. civil) war after the war of the

rebellion (the Civil War of the 1860's between the North and the

South) would commence in a little town now called Chicago but at that

time it would have grown to be a very large city. And another brother

told me that the Prophet said that the cause of the next great trouble

of the United States would be the depreciation of the currency of the

United States. I believe I have given you all the facts in as short

and concise manner as possible."

Wake up people!! There is a reason why God inspired people to write the constitution....SO WE WOULD FOLLOW IT!!

Also remember what the BOM taught us about oppressive governments who tax, read about it, there is a reason why it was included in there.

[LittleWyvern]

You can't "kind of" have capitalism, it is an all or nothing thing.

You've obviously never heard of a social democracy.

[trulykiwi]

You've obviously never heard of a social democracy.

This is a means to an end...and an end it is...to our freedom!

[onlooker]

You've obviously never heard of a social democracy.

Both of which our founding fathers never intended it to be, That is why we pledge allegiance to a republic.

[LittleWyvern]

Both of which our founding fathers never intended it to be, That is why we pledge allegiance to a republic.

That wasn't my point. You were saying that a country can only be 100% capitalist or 100% socialist, which is very incorrect. Even the US has a mixed economy now.

Besides, a republic is a system of political representation, not a economic system. A socialist republic is possible, but it's obtuse and doesn't work very well.

Edited April 25, 2009 by LittleWyvern

[a-train]

Both of which our founding fathers never intended it to be, That is why we pledge allegiance to a republic.

What is often unsaid is the fact that the pledge of allegiance was written in the latter part of the 19th century by a socialist.

-a-train

[a-train]

That wasn't my point. You were saying that a country can only be 100% capitalist or 100% socialist, which is very incorrect. Even the US has a mixed economy now.

Besides, a republic is a system of political representation, not a economic system. A socialist republic is possible, but it's obtuse and doesn't work very well.

I hear people often argue about whether or not capitalism "works", or whether or not socialism "works". The funny thing is, the arguers never define "works". Without first defining the goal, it will be impossible to determine whether or not given actions are working to accomplish it.

Real capitalism protects each individual's own freedom. That is its purpose. Capitalism is not a means to an end, it is an end in itself.

Socialism is merely a means to the hopeful end of utopianism. It comes equipped with the promise of a universal prosperity. Yet it must injure some and sacrifice some in order to accomplish it's goal. The ends justify the means within the ethics of socialism. The moral compass of socialism is altruism which says that all acts which are intended to benefit one's self are evil and all those intended to benefit others are good. Under this moral code, one can rob and kill and do all manner of evil so long as the beneficiaries of these abominations are someone other than the doer of the deed.

The moral ethic of capitalism is fulfilled in the protection of the natural human rights of the individual. While socialists with their altruistic ethic define material prosperity as good and the lack thereof as evil, capitalists define liberty as good and captivity as evil. Capitalists believe material prosperity is only a possible by-product of liberty, not liberty itself. The value of capitalism is not materialism, but human freedom. The only value of socialism is materialism. The utopian goals of socialism are purely materialistic by definition.

The United States has never been purely capitalist. When I hear people say that the Hamiltonian American system "worked", I ask them what did it do? If a socialist republic doesn't "work" what does that mean? What is it that it doesn't accomplish?

What is most ironic is that socialists cannot see that the very system of socialism undermines their efforts to achieve any utopian end. The most socialist countries have always been dependent on capitalist nations to determine exchange rates, which held by the regime to levels in those capitalist countries lead only to inefficiencies in the use of resources which completely destroyed all utopian goals. This is the reason for the retreat from socialism in the most socialist countries.

-a-train