"Love" or "Lust"?


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In the name of Allah(God)


Somedays ago,I saw a film which was created by hollywood.It was an action film.I don't remember its name.
This film was about a man that some others want to bother him.After a while I saw that the women in this film changed their coverings in a shameless situation and at the end of the film they(the woman and man) kissed each other and told that they love each other!
It was strange for me.First, because of being nude in front of the video camera.I asked myself,"why?".why they do such like this?is it a honor for them?or for another purpose they do this?(If you know tell me the answer,please.)

As far as I know,alI heavenly religions invite people to be modesty.I was reading about nudity in cinema one month ago.It was wonderful for me that it begun in the year of 1936 in a film in united states.The writer then descibes that one of the women became completely nude in this film.And till now nudity is clips and film is continuing.
Imagine when these films goes to the other countries then what would happen what would happen in a culture that it's people are living in a modesty society?It will attack their culture.
I always appreciate Islam because it showed me to be modesty,not to live like those people .


The second thing that was strange for me, saying "I love you" by the man and woman.I laugh at them.ha ha.And now also I am laughing at them.being nude and kissing each other and then feeling "love"?
They don't know what "love" is.What they feel is “lust” not “Love”.”Love” is a holy gift to those who obey God not gift to those who are nude or sinful.I am sure that the God's way is toward the modesty and being pious not toward sex or nudity.I remember a sentense from Charlin Chaplin in a letter toward his daughter.He wrote:"nudity is a desease in our century.".

Anyway ,Animals are also nude.And those who obey from nudity are like animals not human.Humanity means when modesty and being pious become a part of our characteristics.
I would be happy to know your idea about it.



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Actually you pretty much sum up LDS belief about nudity lol. I hate seeing nudity on film. There is no reason for it.

About love though, even those who are sinful can feel love. I think what you're talking about is how early those in film seem to feel this emotion. True enough, real love takes time and commitment. But that would make for a really really long movie. Consider it a plot device lol.

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Hi Mahdi! Welcome back.

I've found your Iranian state-controlled opinions about this country to be very backward and goofy in the past. But on the subject of filth and garbage pouring out of Hollywood, we have little to disagree about.

Mormons are big on the sanctity and purity of the human form. We are not happy about the filth that emits from our movie and tv studios. Most mormons stay away from it, and urge others to do so as well. Most of us expect modesty out of our children.

You are kidding yourself if you think there was no pornography available before America invented it, or that somehow we've got the market cornered and 'export it' to other countries. But if you can set aside your endemic America bashing, we pretty much agree about nudity in cinema.

LM

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In the name of Allah(God)

Somedays ago,I saw a film which was created by hollywood.It was an action film.I don't remember its name.

This film was about a man that some others want to bother him.After a while I saw that the women in this film changed their coverings in a shameless situation and at the end of the film they(the woman and man) kissed each other and told that they love each other!

It was strange for me.First, because of being nude in front of the video camera.I asked myself,"why?".why they do such like this?is it a honor for them?or for another purpose they do this?(If you know tell me the answer,please.)

As far as I know,alI heavenly religions invite people to be modesty.I was reading about nudity in cinema one month ago.It was wonderful for me that it begun in the year of 1936 in a film in united states.The writer then descibes that one of the women became completely nude in this film.And till now nudity is clips and film is continuing.

Imagine when these films goes to the other countries then what would happen what would happen in a culture that it's people are living in a modesty society?It will attack their culture.

I always appreciate Islam because it showed me to be modesty,not to live like those people .

The second thing that was strange for me, saying "I love you" by the man and woman.I laugh at them.ha ha.And now also I am laughing at them.being nude and kissing each other and then feeling "love"?

They don't know what "love" is.What they feel is “lust” not “Love”.”Love” is a holy gift to those who obey God not gift to those who are nude or sinful.I am sure that the God's way is toward the modesty and being pious not toward sex or nudity.I remember a sentense from Charlin Chaplin in a letter toward his daughter.He wrote:"nudity is a desease in our century.".

Anyway ,Animals are also nude.And those who obey from nudity are like animals not human.Humanity means when modesty and being pious become a part of our characteristics.

I would be happy to know your idea about it.

thanks alot

Mahdi

To me the difference between love and lust is as follows:

Love – Caring for others more than self.

Lust – Caring for self more than others.

As for modesty. I believe true modesty is when our dress and our desire in the dress of others reflect honor and respect. We do not need to hide beauty to present ourselves with honor and respect. Sometimes I believe religions go too far (especially with women) in extreme dress that hides and masks the beauty that G-d created. Some (usually men) are so carnal that anything beautiful about a woman entices them to abandon their divine purpose of love and seek to selfishly enslave themselves and others in their lust in the opposite sex.

Also there is much more to modesty than dress. Someone can be dressed modestly and still behave immodestly. I believe that too much focus on dress and not behavior will confuse young teenage boys and girls during critical times for their development of social graces.

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What is portrayed in most movies is most certainly lust. Nudity is thrown in to movies in an attempt to attract more guys who wouldn't admit that is one of the reasons they are seeing the movie. I personally think it is stupid, but I don't believe it is an issue of morality as I am not religious and don't really think of nudity or sexuality as "sinful."

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What is portrayed in most movies is most certainly lust. Nudity is thrown in to movies in an attempt to attract more guys who wouldn't admit that is one of the reasons they are seeing the movie. I personally think it is stupid, but I don't believe it is an issue of morality as I am not religious and don't really think of nudity or sexuality as "sinful."

Do your encouragae your children to be dressed or nude or neither in public? Do you believe that introducing children to the enjoyments of sexuality is not sinful for adults?

The Traveler

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Do your encouragae your children to be dressed or nude or neither in public? Do you believe that introducing children to the enjoyments of sexuality is not sinful for adults?

The Traveler

I don't have children, but if I did I would encourage them to be dressed in public since the current culture frowns on nudity. I believe that introducing children to sexuality is on par with introducing children to drugs. If they are not old enough to make informed decisions, it is wrong for adults to introduce them to harmful things. I believe that introducing children to sexuality at a young age is severely psychologically damaging to the child, but I don't believe there is anything inherently sinful about sexuality or nudity itself.

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In the Garden of Eden God gave Adam and Eve clothes when He drove them out into the world. We as Latter-Day Saints believe that hasn't changed. Men and women should dress in modest apparel.

Sexual relations are sacred and should only be used between a lawfully wedded husband and wife and should be kept private.

A lot of material that comes out of Hollywood is bothersome to me. Chastity is seen as unneccessary or do live it if it's what you prefer.

We could wipe out all sexually transmitted diseases in the world if people would obey the laws God has given us.

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Media tends to be a fan of the Lust=Love myth, its going to be even more compounded by the pacing of most action flicks. Media tends to be full of myths though such as:

The aforementioned lust = love.

If you don't feel your needs are met adultery is okay.

If you are in 'love' premarital sex is fine and dandy.

Infatuation (and possibly lust) = Love at fist sight. You have to know people to love them in more than a generic way.

Muslims are all crazy terrorists (I liked the movie "Traitor", the hero was Muslim, admittedly the baddies were as well.)

Both people in a relationship starting off by deceiving each other is a great way to get started.

And the less significant but annoying:

If you get shot in the shoulder you can still throw punches with that arm 10 minutes later.

All cars have a built in self destructs with a accelerometer attached.

An AK-47 is incapable of penetrating the back of a couch.

Okay, I'll stop now or the less significant but annoying list may never stop.

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Hi Mahdi,

It looks like you've been a member for a while, but I haven't had the chance to meet you. Nice to meet you! :)

I agree that much of what Hollywood does is not appropriate, and more often than not unnecessary to the plot. I don't think nudity itself is bad--Adam and Eve were nude in the Garden of Eden, and there was nothing wrong with that. Also, it is quite ok for married couples to be nude together. Sex is part of marriage, but I believe that married couples also really love each other. However, being human, we tend to have lustful thoughts when we see other nude people, so I think it's important for men and women to be considerate of each other and dress modestly.

Hollywood also tends to glorify violence, greed, drugs, excessive swearing and other types of immorality.

Peace,

HEP

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If you don't like movies with nudity, then why are you watching them?

Your post reminds me of a standup comedian I saw like 40 years ago. He had one line I thought was funny and I have remembered for years. It went something like this.

When I was a teenager my father told me that I should never go to a XXX movie (triple X movie was the code name for pornography back then). He said that if I ever went to a XXX movie that I would see something I shouldn’t. Well I had to go see what was at a XXX movie I should not see so I went. And man O man did I ever see something I shouldn’t – Dad!!!

The Traveler

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Generally nudity and sex are not necessary to promote a plot. Yet sometimes it may be. For instance, a lot of people complained about the mini series a fews years back called Chaca Zulu -- the actresses went topless because when the movie was set women did not wear tops in this African tribe.

I am reviewing a book a person I know is working on. It's a pretty good book and I hope he is successful in getting it published but it depicts two teenage girls who are seriel murderers. The plot is strong and certainly psychologically sound in character development but it does involve some horrendous, maybe even disturbing, murder scenes as well as a bi-sexual undercurrent (yet no sex scenes are described as the author is LDS). Now if by some remote chance this book were made into a film someday it would have to include nudity and extreme violence but then again how else could one adequately portray the world of a team of seriel killers?

Now here's an intereesting question for people to ponder, if someone non-LDS were to make a movie about the Book of Mormon (and try to represent it in what appears to be historically acurate dress for many of the cultures) should an LDS woman who might choose to have a part in which she were to go topless get reprimanded? What if someone were to have the guts to make a movie about the Arab slave traders who used to raid Europe and a part included a slave auction of European women in some Middel Eastern marketplace?

Some films might require some nudity but I think most do not.

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If you don't like movies with nudity, then why are you watching them?

Well Rachelle, sometimes movies can be pretty sneaky about slipping graphic sex scenes in. I watched the Band of Brothers series and they slipped one in the 8th movie. It shows a soldier walking thru rooms and then all of a sudden he walks in on something inappropriate.

That's when I fumble for the remote or switch off the television.

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Well Rachelle, sometimes movies can be pretty sneaky about slipping graphic sex scenes in. I watched the Band of Brothers series and they slipped one in the 8th movie. It shows a soldier walking thru rooms and then all of a sudden he walks in on something inappropriate.

That's when I fumble for the remote or switch off the television.

Yeah, that kind of annoyed me. I watched way back when and had completely forgotten about that scene so when I watched it recently it was quite the shock. I chucked'em before I could forget again( among other reasons).

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If you don't like movies with nudity, then why are you watching them?

first of all ,I don't like to watch these films.and then,can you stop watching films?and then,I just had seen a part of that film not all becuse I couldn't tolerate this immorality.

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Some films might require some nudity but I think most do not.

Although having enough dresses is not the reason of being modesty or not but those who have enough coverings or dresses,at least will face with much less salaciouses.So they will have more relief life.

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There are web sites where you can find out how much, if any, nudity, swearing or violence is in a movie, you can then make an informed decision whether you wish to see it. I also read a few reviews of a movie by people who share similar values to mine to see if I might like it. Most of the reviews I read tell me what the rating is, and why it received that rating, eg; nudity, violence, language, drug use, etc. If you go in to a movie and are surprised to find graphic nudity, then you weren't paying much attention when you decided to see it. Also, the title might give you a clue. If the title is something like 'Bikini Beach Club', the cover has pictures of hot girls in bathing suits on it, and it carries an MPAA rating of 'R' or 'NC-17', then most likely you will be exposed to lots of bouncing boobies with little or nothing covering them if you see it. It's not that hard to know what to expect in a movie before you see it.

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There are web sites where you can find out how much, if any, nudity, swearing or violence is in a movie, you can then make an informed decision whether you wish to see it. I also read a few reviews of a movie by people who share similar values to mine to see if I might like it. Most of the reviews I read tell me what the rating is, and why it received that rating, eg; nudity, violence, language, drug use, etc. If you go in to a movie and are surprised to find graphic nudity, then you weren't paying much attention when you decided to see it. Also, the title might give you a clue. If the title is something like 'Bikini Beach Club', the cover has pictures of hot girls in bathing suits on it, and it carries an MPAA rating of 'R' or 'NC-17', then most likely you will be exposed to lots of bouncing boobies with little or nothing covering them if you see it. It's not that hard to know what to expect in a movie before you see it.

thank you very much.it helped me.

But there is a question for me,why are they nude ?why do they do it?aren't they ashamed of it?or don't they have any religion?

it has been one the most important question for me!

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But there is a question for me,why are they nude ?

Because it will either sell more or the director/writer feels it is needed for the audience to appreciate his artistic vision.

why do they do it?

For most I imagine because they are being paid to do so or for the above mentioned artistic vision. At least most actors or actresses won't walk down the street nude (I suppose there are some that would if they could get away with it) just for the heck of it.

aren't they ashamed of it?

I imagine most of them no, though some of them may feel some degree of shame that is overshadowed by other considerations. Generally I imagine people who would be deeply ashamed to take part in something like that refuse to do so.

or don't they have any religion?

Some of them I suppose are atheists, others have a religion of some type which they follow to varying degrees. That's all my supposition, you'd have to ask somebody who actually acts in such roles to get a real answer, actually you'd have to ask many such people to get a real answer.

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One definition of religion is: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.

Directors who make movies showing graphic sex scenes do not believe that sex is a sacred gift from God, if so they do not think it harms society to watch something like this.

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