Why Doesn't Anyone Listen To This Guy?


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You mean, other than the fact that the last people who seriously advocated this idea sparked a war that cost over a million American lives?

The last people who seriously advocated the idea that the union must persist unchangingly sparked a war that cost over a million American lives.

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The last people who seriously advocated the idea that the union must persist unchangingly sparked a war that cost over a million American lives.

IIRC the Confederates attacked Ft. Sumter initiating the hostilities. Of course the North may have went ahead and forced integration without said incident but technically they shot first.

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I'll know we're in a special place when posters start referring to that Civil War as "The War of Northern Agression."

You know its to bad that the second Confederate Navy Jack has the connotations that it does, it has a certain aesthetic appeal.

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The governer of texas needs to quit whining and let this president continue to help the regular american citizens, instead of corporations; This guy is just as all the other right wing nuts, he canott stand the fact that the democrats are in charge; {thank God}, Are we christians, or are we a bunch of greedy rich idiots who refuse to help the downtrodden?

Lets once again begin to live and act in the manner heavenly father has commanded time and time again. lets help one another, and quit this stuff about, "well i earned mine, why should i help those little peons?" Were all in this world together, lets start acting like it once again.

Holy scripture warns us repeatedly; not to be greedy; to help those whom are in need, to share or even give everything we have to assist those in need if nessacery. this country has herd for the last 8 years nothing else except, war,torture, job losses, breakup of familes, loss of homes, and many other terrible tragedies while all along our government has done absolutely nothing but reinforce the big companies bank accounts with billions and billions of unacounted for tax dollars to go and kill hundreds of thousands of inoccent people; and doing not one single thing to help the unisured, the sick, the uneducated, the homeless, the less fortuante; the phlosophy has been one of nothing more than. take,steal,rob, and deny it all. now there is nothing more to take steal and rob, yet they continue to deny? It is waaayyy past time for these greedy nut cases to see reality, start acting as the lord would have us.:mellow:

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The governer of texas needs to quit whining and let this president continue to help the regular american citizens, instead of corporations; This guy is just as all the other right wing nuts, he canott stand the fact that the democrats are in charge; {thank God}, Are we christians, or are we a bunch of greedy rich idiots who refuse to help the downtrodden?

Lets once again begin to live and act in the manner heavenly father has commanded time and time again. lets help one another, and quit this stuff about, "well i earned mine, why should i help those little peons?" Were all in this world together, lets start acting like it once again.

Holy scripture warns us repeatedly; not to be greedy; to help those whom are in need, to share or even give everything we have to assist those in need if nessacery. this country has herd for the last 8 years nothing else except, war,torture, job losses, breakup of familes, loss of homes, and many other terrible tragedies while all along our government has done absolutely nothing but reinforce the big companies bank accounts with billions and billions of unacounted for tax dollars to go and kill hundreds of thousands of inoccent people; and doing not one single thing to help the unisured, the sick, the uneducated, the homeless, the less fortuante; the phlosophy has been one of nothing more than. take,steal,rob, and deny it all. now there is nothing more to take steal and rob, yet they continue to deny? It is waaayyy past time for these greedy nut cases to see reality, start acting as the lord would have us.:mellow:

while the President was allowing all this stuff to happen as you just statedd....what did the Congress and Senate do during this time???

Obama is the man to get us to be that Christian country again....

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The governer of texas needs to quit whining and let this president continue to help the regular american citizens, instead of corporations; This guy is just as all the other right wing nuts, he canott stand the fact that the democrats are in charge; {thank God}, Are we christians, or are we a bunch of greedy rich idiots who refuse to help the downtrodden?

Am I the only one who thinks this sounds like it's coming from a sore winner??? I mean really...if I disagree with the President I am against helping regular Americans, corporations are apparently bad, I'm just prejudiced against Democrat rule, my Christianity is in question, and I'm obviously greedy and rich...and, the kicker--an idiot. :eek:

Lets once again begin to live and act in the manner heavenly father has commanded time and time again.

I suppose this live and let live begins with calling conservatives all the above?

lets help one another, and quit this stuff about, "well i earned mine, why should i help those little peons?" Were all in this world together, lets start acting like it once again.

A great way to convince me to help others is to imply that if I don't I'm an elitist and that I am heartless.

Holy scripture warns us repeatedly; not to be greedy; to help those whom are in need, to share or even give everything we have to assist those in need if nessacery. this country has herd for the last 8 years nothing else except, war,torture, job losses, breakup of familes, loss of homes, and many other terrible tragedies while all along our government has done absolutely nothing but reinforce the big companies bank accounts with billions and billions of unacounted for tax dollars to go and kill hundreds of thousands of inoccent people; and doing not one single thing to help the unisured, the sick, the uneducated, the homeless, the less fortuante; the phlosophy has been one of nothing more than. take,steal,rob, and deny it all. now there is nothing more to take steal and rob, yet they continue to deny? It is waaayyy past time for these greedy nut cases to see reality, start acting as the lord would have us.:mellow:

If I analyzed this the way I did the first parts wow...I thought it was us conservatives who were mean-spirited, elitist, self-righteous, etc.???

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The governer of texas needs to quit whining and let this president continue to help the regular american citizens, instead of corporations; This guy is just as all the other right wing nuts, he canott stand the fact that the democrats are in charge; {thank God}, Are we christians, or are we a bunch of greedy rich idiots who refuse to help the downtrodden?

Lets once again begin to live and act in the manner heavenly father has commanded time and time again. lets help one another, and quit this stuff about, "well i earned mine, why should i help those little peons?" Were all in this world together, lets start acting like it once again.

Holy scripture warns us repeatedly; not to be greedy; to help those whom are in need, to share or even give everything we have to assist those in need if nessacery. this country has herd for the last 8 years nothing else except, war,torture, job losses, breakup of familes, loss of homes, and many other terrible tragedies while all along our government has done absolutely nothing but reinforce the big companies bank accounts with billions and billions of unacounted for tax dollars to go and kill hundreds of thousands of inoccent people; and doing not one single thing to help the unisured, the sick, the uneducated, the homeless, the less fortuante; the phlosophy has been one of nothing more than. take,steal,rob, and deny it all. now there is nothing more to take steal and rob, yet they continue to deny? It is waaayyy past time for these greedy nut cases to see reality, start acting as the lord would have us.:mellow:

I rebuke you!!

What you explained is what the President is doing, not Rep Paul, totally the opposite.

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just started a new thread with this:

"There will be two great political parties in this country. One will be called the Republican, and the other the Democrat party. These two will go to war and out of these two parties will spring another party which will be the Independent American Party. The United States will spend her strength and means warring in foreign lands until other nations will say, "Let's divide up the lands of United States," then the people of the U.S. will unite and swear by the blood of their forefathers, that the land will not be divided. Then the country will go to war, and they will fight until one half of the U.S. army will give up, and the rest will continue to struggle. They will keep on until they are very ragged and discouraged, and almost ready to give up--when the boys from the mountains will rush forth in time to save the American Army from defeat and ruin. And they will say, "Brethren, we are glad you have come; give us men, henceforth, who can talk with God." Then you will have friends, but you will save the country when it's [sic] liberty hangs by a hair, as it were. "

- A Prophecy of Joseph Smith on the United States (1844) as quoted in the autobiography of Mosiah Hancock

We'll see how much longer "united" is part of the states :(

What kind of a war will it be? between the repubs and dems? I hope not another bloody civil type war.

This is a bogus prophecy that ought to be ignored.

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The governer of texas needs to quit whining and let this president continue to help the regular american citizens, instead of corporations; This guy is just as all the other right wing nuts, he canott stand the fact that the democrats are in charge; {thank God}, Are we christians, or are we a bunch of greedy rich idiots who refuse to help the downtrodden?

The Democrats are in power?

My goodness are you kidding me?

The financial powers are in power.

The democrats are in power because they were the most funded in this election. Why? Because the financial institutions that fund political campaigns had run the "Republican train" for too long and people were sick of it.

There is not real change. Just change of image.

Wolves in sheeps clothing.

Sure, the politicians mean well - but they're put there by corrupt powers who support politicians so that they have to maintain their (the corporations) vested interests.

Don't get me started on the falseness of this left-right paradigm. Democracy? What an illusion.

What kind of a war will it be? between the repubs and dems? I hope not another bloody civil type war.

No, honey. It'll be tyrrany [the establishment] vs. liberty. The same as it was the first time.
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The reason no one listens to him is because he wants to see a return to constitutional principles of governance. The majority of people are wanting socialism. So unfortunately his views are 'nutty'. I think he is a very intelligent man.

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The governer of texas needs to quit whining and let this president continue to help the regular american citizens, instead of corporations; This guy is just as all the other right wing nuts, he canott stand the fact that the democrats are in charge; {thank God}, Are we christians, or are we a bunch of greedy rich idiots who refuse to help the downtrodden?

Lets once again begin to live and act in the manner heavenly father has commanded time and time again. lets help one another, and quit this stuff about, "well i earned mine, why should i help those little peons?" Were all in this world together, lets start acting like it once again.

Yes, I am sure God is grateful that the Party that defines itself by it's stance on killing unborn children is rejoicing. As for your comments about giving to the poor, conservatives give much more to charity than liberals. When you filed your tax return, did you offer the government some additional money to help the poor? Or do you only advocate the government taking from the most prosperous in this country in order to fuel their lust for a bigger, more intrusive government? When you go to a restaurant to eat do you pay for your own meal, or do you expect the local physician to pick up part of your bill for you? Why do you see the government as the solution to the economic woes that our country faces? Is it envy? I understand that we shouldn't covet.....and your comments reek of envy and covetousness. Incidentally, you should be aware, though I doubt you are, that the government doesn't produce anything. They take money, they borrow money, they print money and they spend money....they incur huge amounts of debt. Most people understand that debts have to be repaid.....of course I am sure you think that some undeserving rich person or evil corporation will pay it off so you and others like you can continue to have those wonderful government handouts that are so well managed and help so many.

Holy scripture warns us repeatedly; not to be greedy; to help those whom are in need, to share or even give everything we have to assist those in need if nessacery. this country has herd for the last 8 years nothing else except, war,torture, job losses, breakup of familes, loss of homes, and many other terrible tragedies while all along our government has done absolutely nothing but reinforce the big companies bank accounts with billions and billions of unacounted for tax dollars to go and kill hundreds of thousands of inoccent people; and doing not one single thing to help the unisured, the sick, the uneducated, the homeless, the less fortuante; the phlosophy has been one of nothing more than. take,steal,rob, and deny it all. now there is nothing more to take steal and rob, yet they continue to deny? It is waaayyy past time for these greedy nut cases to see reality, start acting as the lord would have us.:mellow:

Holy scriptures warn us not to be envious and covetousness too. Funny that you mention billions in unaccounted tax dollars to banks.....TARP I and TARP II, most of TARP I that occurred under Bush is being doled out by your hero Obama and all of TARP II....oh and by the way, he has already violated the terms of those two agreements. The uninsured should do like I do....buy some health insurance....oh and the poor can apply for medicaid. The uneducated should have paid attention in school......you know the 12 years of education that is free for all. (well, paid for by some of us that work). I guess you think that the homeless should be GIVEN a home? I notice Obama has been pretty silent on the "homeless".

You seem to think our government should care for it's citizens from the cradle to the grave in totality and that without it, people are doomed to fail and suffer. That is not the spirit that made our country great, but it is the type of thinking that will lead to our downfall. And you advocate doing it by taking disproportionate amounts of tax dollars from the most prosperous among us. That is very Christ like jadams.....very Christ like. I won't bother explaining basic economics to you because I don't think you care.

Final thought. Elections are not football games. Yay, my team won. They have real meaning. I was not a fan of Bush's economic policies, but compared to Obama he is a fiscal conservative. Obama is a left wing radical. He makes Bill Clinton look like a fiscal conservative. This guy is dangerous and our grandchildren will pay the price for his recklessness.

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It's rather unfortunate that people want Socialism, when the realisation is that our economic system has a lot of economic aspects to it right now.

Marx's 10 Conditions For Transition To Communism - Let it be noted that Socialism is transitional Communism, in-case you weren't aware.

Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. (Council/City rates)

A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. (U.S. Controller of Currency has stated that the income tax will in the near future have to be about 65% of income to keep serving the debt)

Abolition of all right of inheritance. (We still have wills, so I guess we're kind of safe there?)

Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. (In other words, a situation where you can be imprisoned without much good reason - Patriot Act is a soft example)

Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. (Central Bank, Monopolies, etc,)

Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. (I don't regard this as a negative)

Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. (Green corps? "Obama's" Green army?)

Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equal distribution of the population over the country.

Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

Since I used Marx's examples I want to state some things. Communism, has never been truly applied ever, ever. There are many reasons, such as the fact that the technology never existed to eliminate scarcity and provide an equal-everything culture. But the reason why it ultimately failed as our system has is because it's based on an ideology rather than a tangible train of thought that is near-empirical and therefore hard to logically disagree with.

One prominent Marxian ideology that comes to mind is that Marx believed in racial trash - meaning, cultures that are too far behind in their evolution (i.e., not even Capitalist yet) and wont be able to be brought up to revolutionary standard. He makes this even worse by stating that these groups must "perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Marx was pretty much the father of modern genocide.

But anyway, I majorly digressed.

I don't think the notion of sticking to constitutional principles can work, I mean we've seen it fail through being hijacked by financial interests and all sorts of things. What gives us the idea that it'll work this time?

Sure, it might for a while - but ultimately it'll go down the same path over time. Is that really fair?

I am sure God is grateful that the Party that defines itself by it's stance on killing unborn children is rejoicing.

I'm sure you can tell I don't defend either side of this false political paradigm. But let me ask, what do you think of war?

War kills unborn children, grown men and women. War destroys everything?

And by my watch, the Republican party (I don't blame them specifically, but by your logic...) has been the cause of many illegal wars in recent times that have killed millions.

It's funny how so many anti-abortionists will fight against abortion, but in the same sentence (all too often) be perfectly fine with the destruction of war which is so much more worse.

For the most part, it doesn't matter which party is in - they'll behave the same because they're serving the same vested interests (not you).

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But let me ask, what do you think of war?

War is the sad end of humanity. I am opposed to War, but I also understand that periodically force is the only means to end tyranny....such as WW I and II.

War kills unborn children, grown men and women. War destroys everything?

Yes, to quote General William Tecumseh Sherman,. "War is hell!"

And by my watch, the Republican party (I don't blame them specifically, but by your logic...) has been the cause of many illegal wars in recent times that have killed millions.

If by recent you mean Iraq and Afghanistan........I don't view either of these as illegal and I seem to recall that our Congress, Republican and Democrat was overwhelmingly in support of these actions. Do I support these actions? Mixed feelings. I must say that I would not want either of my sons going to Iraq or Afghanistan. I seem to recall that the Democrats have had their share of bloody conflicts in the not so distant past....Vietnam and Korea comes to mind.

It's funny how so many anti-abortionists will fight against abortion, but in the same sentence (all too often) be perfectly fine with the destruction of war which is so much more worse.

Destruction of property, but not the destruction of life. Well, perhaps abortion is a much more sterile destruction of life, maybe abortion clinics should blow something up every time they abort an unborn child and maybe people would view abortion through the same lens of horror that war as viewed through.

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