Vanhin Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) Concerning the words of Isaiah, Nephi admits that his people (the Nephites) were not well versed in the "manner of prophesying among the Jews", and that many of the prophesies (especially the words of Isaiah) were difficult for people to understand unless they were taught this "manner of prophesying" (2 Ne. 25:1-6). Nephi wrote:Yea, and my soul delighteth in the words of Isaiah, for I came out from Jerusalem, and mine eyes hath beheld the things of the Jews, and I know that the Jews do understand the things of the prophets, and there is none other people that understand the things which were spoken unto the Jews like unto them, save it be that they are taught after the manner of the things of the Jews. (2 Ne. 25:5)I think this is partly why I am so fond of this forum, and the hours that thekabalist has devoted to his commentary here. I see this as an opportunity for us to increase our understanding about the manner of prophesying among the Jews, while we can. I think I speak for most visitors of this forum in expressing my heartfelt gratitude for his contributions.Sincerely,Vanhin Edited December 19, 2009 by Vanhin I kept writing "thread" when I meant "forum" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maya Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I feel every new chapter, verse that thekabalist is explaining to us is like a spiritual trip in the world of Nephi, with a good guide. I hope we wont be left in the deseret.... and there are other books too like DC and ... the Book of Abraham should be extra special I heard a Jewish person say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RanMan Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Well along this line of thought, let me ask thekabalist a question. Would the kind of understanding you are applying to these readings of the Book of Mormon be something that less diligent members of the Jewish community have problems understanding? For example, in chapter 9 you discuss the word plates, which can be understood as calender, being used 12 times and that would have an underlying significance. Is it possible that this sort of understanding of scripture would be beyond Laman and Lemuel? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekabalist Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Hi Ran Yes it is possible. Because the level of involvement with Judaism itself has always been a matter of personal choice. In ancient times people would gather at the city gates and at the synagogues to hear and study the law. Those who wished could have a very deep education in the Scriptures and those who cared little for it could get by with the minimum. It is still this way to this day in Judaism. You have families in which some are Torah scholars and others can barely recite the prayer book. So it's possible that Laman and Lemuel cared so little for the things of G-d that they lacked the deep education that Nephi clearly displays. b'shalom! cathyyg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zechariah Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Yes, thank you, thank you thekabalist. You are enriching our lives and appreciation for this book we love by sharing your insights and we are so enjoying this rare opportunity. Thank you for all your time and effort. Please continue. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazed-and-confused Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 ok....i am new here and am excited to becoming more active in this forum. thanks for putting it together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanhin Posted January 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Thanks for checking it out. Feel free to post any comments or questions you have about the perspective that thekabalist has provided. Vanhin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant_Son Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) So, is thekabalist coming back? What do you think? Please come back, thekabalist! Edited January 28, 2010 by Giant_Son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maya Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 So, is thekabalist coming back? What do you think?I believe he will. But I think the comment is really "emptying his jacket" and he needs to have some pauses. Even doing the translation is very exhausting and if he has the spirit with him, as it looks like to me, it is very consuming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanhin Posted January 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 He's coming back. He has been having some health issues lately. Vanhin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant_Son Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 He's coming back. He has been having some health issues lately.VanhinHope he can come back again again! I miss you, thekabalist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbjazzman Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Concerning the words of Isaiah, Nephi admits that his people (the Nephites) were not well versed in the "manner of prophesying among the Jews", and that many of the prophesies (especially the words of Isaiah) were difficult for people to understand unless they were taught this "manner of prophesying" (2 Ne. 25:1-6). Nephi wrote:Yea, and my soul delighteth in the words of Isaiah, for I came out from Jerusalem, and mine eyes hath beheld the things of the Jews, and I know that the Jews do understand the things of the prophets, and there is none other people that understand the things which were spoken unto the Jews like unto them, save it be that they are taught after the manner of the things of the Jews. (2 Ne. 25:5)I think this is partly why I am so fond of this forum, and the hours that thekabalist has devoted to his commentary here. I see this as an opportunity for us to increase our understanding about the manner of prophesying among the Jews, while we can. I think I speak for most visitors of this forum in expressing my heartfelt gratitude for his contributions.Sincerely,VanhinHi there - I'm also Jewish and very involved in the study of Kabbalah. My sister has embraced the Mormon Faith so I'm interested in better understanding its precepts.I've posted here because I've spent the last few days posting quite a bit about Isaiah in relationship to some terraformed images I've found in the Arizona area that speak to Isaiah 11:6. I would be very interested in getting some perspective from thekabalist on this as well as others who have knowledge concerning the emergence of Zion here in the United States. You can view this at Isaiah's Vision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReynaRosa Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 We the Jews wish to worship the one true GOD, and not Religion. DennisTate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy740 Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Unfortunately, thekabalist hasn't posted in the forums for quite some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbjazzman Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) · Hidden Hidden We the Jews wish to worship the one true GOD, and not Religion.Then you might find reading my book to be of interest http://www.oracleofthephoenix.com/images/oracle%20of%20the%20phoenix%202012%20edition.pdf Edited March 23, 2012 by sbjazzman Link to comment
cathyyg Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 On 12/19/2009 at 12:22 PM, Vanhin said: Concerning the words of Isaiah, Nephi admits that his people (the Nephites) were not well versed in the "manner of prophesying among the Jews", and that many of the prophesies (especially the words of Isaiah) were difficult for people to understand unless they were taught this "manner of prophesying" (2 Ne. 25:1-6). Nephi wrote: Yea, and my soul delighteth in the words of Isaiah, for I came out from Jerusalem, and mine eyes hath beheld the things of the Jews, and I know that the Jews do understand the things of the prophets, and there is none other people that understand the things which were spoken unto the Jews like unto them, save it be that they are taught after the manner of the things of the Jews. (2 Ne. 25:5) I think this is partly why I am so fond of this forum, and the hours that thekabalist has devoted to his commentary here. I see this as an opportunity for us to increase our understanding about the manner of prophesying among the Jews, while we can. I think I speak for most visitors of this forum in expressing my heartfelt gratitude for his contributions. Sincerely, Vanhin In Judaism, prophets are not seen as predicting the future. Their role is speaking truth to power, particularly the ruler. They are the check and balance against corruption and sin, by making it public and holding them accountable to HaShem for their actions. Sin has consequences, as we see going back to the Song of Moses in Deuteronomy, and continuing on. But those are potentialities, not predictions, for teshuva by the ruler and the people can alter those consequences. Just_A_Guy and DennisTate 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisTate Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 8/14/2018 at 8:20 PM, cathyyg said: In Judaism, prophets are not seen as predicting the future. Their role is speaking truth to power, particularly the ruler. They are the check and balance against corruption and sin, by making it public and holding them accountable to HaShem for their actions. Sin has consequences, as we see going back to the Song of Moses in Deuteronomy, and continuing on. But those are potentialities, not predictions, for teshuva by the ruler and the people can alter those consequences. This is an impressive answer that sure reminds me of: I personally can see no significant error in the ideas in this section????? https://www.near-death.com/science/research/future.html#a03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leem Posted September 9, 2024 Report Share Posted September 9, 2024 On 12/19/2009 at 12:22 PM, Vanhin said: Concerning the words of Isaiah, Nephi admits that his people (the Nephites) were not well versed in the "manner of prophesying among the Jews", and that many of the prophesies (especially the words of Isaiah) were difficult for people to understand unless they were taught this "manner of prophesying" (2 Ne. 25:1-6). Nephi wrote: Yea, and my soul delighteth in the words of Isaiah, for I came out from Jerusalem, and mine eyes hath beheld the things of the Jews, and I know that the Jews do understand the things of the prophets, and there is none other people that understand the things which were spoken unto the Jews like unto them, save it be that they are taught after the manner of the things of the Jews. (2 Ne. 25:5) I think this is partly why I am so fond of this forum, and the hours that thekabalist has devoted to his commentary here. I see this as an opportunity for us to increase our understanding about the manner of prophesying among the Jews, while we can. I think I speak for most visitors of this forum in expressing my heartfelt gratitude for his contributions. Sincerely, Vanhin Somewhat similar to Catholics, most Jews I have met have a very little understanding of what their beliefs are. Overall I would say they were probably more open-minded than many Born again Christians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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