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"Banned" Mormon Cartoon: Anti-Mormon Tactics Exposed!

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I think it's important for members to be aware and prepared to deal with anti-Mormon tactics. It is only by being exposed to it, that we can know how to confront it.

Unfortunately, many members are overcome by doubt created by ridiculous propaganda like "The God Makers." For this reason, many members treat anti-Mormon literature like pornography, calling it evil and encouraging everyone to steer clear of it completely.

I think there must be a happy medium, though...moderation in reading it and careful self-examination and prayer after being exposed to it. I think that people can slowly build up an immunity to it. They can then become empowered to react correctly to it without losing faith in Mormonism.

Personally, I have overcome anti-Mormon-generated doubt by simply focusing on the innumerable positives that have come from my membership in the church, all the spiritual experiences I have had throughout my life, and all the wonderful and amazing people in the church that I have interacted with. In the end, I feel I am a more powerful instrument in the Lord's hands because of my ability to compare and contrast the negativity of anti-Mormonism and the beauty of Mormonism.

What do you think? I'm sincerely interested in hearing your thoughts.

Regards,

DefendingMormonism

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I rarely, if ever, will go searching for anything anti. In the cases where I am forced to read or view anti-propaganda I'm mainly more saddened than anything else. Sad that people are so misinformed, uneducated or simply have hatred for some perceived wrong that the Church has done them. As in the case of Ed Decker.

I don't treat it or think of it in the same light as pornography. But in my opinion it is something that we should shy away from whenever possible. Especially those with weak testimonies. That is the time they should be concentrating on strengthening their testimonies, not go searching for something that may destroy it completely.

There are more ways to become informed and know how to defend (if needed) then reading anti Mormon propaganda. Studying and becoming knowledgeable and gaining our own testimony of the truth will take us farther than just knowing what the other side is saying.

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I spent about a decade searching out critics and criticisms of my faith. I also heavily ingested the defenses put out there by others. Topic by topic, story by story. I found it an incredibly testimony building exercise. I learned more about my church and what the gospel is by interacting with critics, than through any other exercise. Because it forced me to go to the sources - scripture, words of the prophets, and even the Gospel Principles manual.

If you're like me, and you can learn about something by encountering it's opposite, I heartilly recommend it.

If you'd like to approach criticisms of the faith by reading our answers, farms.byu.edu is an amazing resource, as is fairlds.org.

D&C 71:5-11 Now, behold this is wisdom; whoso readeth, let him understand and receive also; For unto him that receiveth it shall be given more abundantly, even power. Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest. Wherefore, let them bring forth their strong reasons against the Lord. Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you—there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper; And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded in mine own due time.

1 Peter 3:15: "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

1 Thessalonians 5:21: "Prove all things; hold fast to which is good."

Jude 1:3: "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints."

"Those to whom no problems occur are asleep at the wheel of truth."

John A. Widtsoe

"Though argument does not create conviction, the lack of it destroys belief. What seems to be proved may not be embraced; but what no one shows the ability to defend is quickly abandoned. Rational argument does not create belief, but it maintains a climate in which belief may flourish."

Austin Farrer, "The Christian Apologist," in Light on C. S. Lewis , ed. Jocelyn Gibb (New York: Harcourt and Brace, 1965), 26.

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The best way to spot a forgery, a fake, or a twisting of the truth is to become intimately familiar with the real thing.

The best defense against those who wish to destroy our Testimonies is to be intimately familiar with the Gospel.

Some of the Anti-Mormon propaganda is very convincingly. What comes to my mind here is the experience of Eve and the Tempter in the Garden of Eden. While we understand the importance of the fall, and the necessity of the fall, the lie is twisted with enough truth to sound as if it is really true.

This is why it is good to know what is and what is not LDS Doctrine.

The other interesting aspect of this is that majority of the Anti-Mormon propaganda focuses on statements made by Brigham Young, or the character of Joseph Smith.

While much of the arguments have already been answered, many critics and apostates tend to cling to them as if they have truth and refuse to accept the explanations, the academic, scholarly, and historical analysis provided - simply because they are not from Non-Mormon Sources.

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"Banned" Mormon Cartoon: Anti-Mormon Tactics Exposed!

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I think it's important for members to be aware and prepared to deal with anti-Mormon tactics. It is only by being exposed to it, that we can know how to confront it.

Unfortunately, many members are overcome by doubt created by ridiculous propaganda like "The God Makers." For this reason, many members treat anti-Mormon literature like pornography, calling it evil and encouraging everyone to steer clear of it completely.

I think there must be a happy medium, though...moderation in reading it and careful self-examination and prayer after being exposed to it. I think that people can slowly build up an immunity to it. They can then become empowered to react correctly to it without losing faith in Mormonism.

Personally, I have overcome anti-Mormon-generated doubt by simply focusing on the innumerable positives that have come from my membership in the church, all the spiritual experiences I have had throughout my life, and all the wonderful and amazing people in the church that I have interacted with. In the end, I feel I am a more powerful instrument in the Lord's hands because of my ability to compare and contrast the negativity of anti-Mormonism and the beauty of Mormonism.

What do you think? I'm sincerely interested in hearing your thoughts.

Regards,

DefendingMormonism

I was exposed to anti-Mormon stuff a long time ago. I thought I studied it with a open mind and found it wanting. (Which it is) That is a red hearing. That it is blatantly off target and strongly rooted in misrepresentations is only a distraction.

There are two ways the anti works. The first is the obvious. The distraction from truth and the ever present enticement to denigrate sacred things. The second is not obvious but is very subtle. It is the ever growing urge of contention. The temptation to get angry and fix the problem. The temptation to become cynical towards our critics.

We are encouraged to do good to those that despitefully use us and to pray for those that persecute us. But what we end up doing is confronting their misconceptions and becoming emotionally evolved – often to anger.

Others my find their more pleasant natures surface in the heat of such disagreements but such is not my nature. I will deal with the anti when I must – but as soon as I feel tensions beginning to rise – I am done, I walk away and forget it and if necessary I beg my Father in Heaven’s forgiveness and apologize to my accusers – realizing that they won and that I have been wounded unnecessarily by my own anger.

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I was scared away from the Church back in the early 1990's by some anti literature, including The God Makers. It's only in the last couple of years, and through discovering resources like fairlds.org and the FARMS website, that I've had the courage to dip my toe back into the waters ever so slightly. :)

Reading through these well-written LDS resources has help me tremendously in opening up to the Church. I'm still not quite there yet, but am far closer than I have ever been, and I think most of the damage done by my prior experiences is now (thankfully) in the past.

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I don't have to know what the anti's are saying to be prepared to defend my faith.

Being a devout Catholic for 30 years, I didn't need to read anti-Catholic propaganda to trust my testimony of the Catholic Church. And I sure didn't convert to LDS because of anti-Catholicism.

Paying attention to what the anti's are saying is nothing but noise that is a giant distraction from what you should be learning - precept by precept by the power of the Holy Ghost. The anti's can throw any debate at your feet and you can stand strong with the strength of your testimony through your intimacy with the word of God. Engaging them in debate is futile. Let them say their piece, and you say your piece and let the Spirit guide. Period.

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That cartoon is getting rather old, but it will remain on the internet for a long time. You can count on there always being hateful things out there. This akin to some RNC guy producing a song called Obama the Magic Negro nearly two years ago. That guy couldn't see hate in his heart and I imagine Ed Decker could not see it in his heart when he was showing this aging film clip. Wouldn't both have been so much better off if they embraced the other in brotherhood.

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That cartoon is getting rather old, but it will remain on the internet for a long time. You can count on there always being hateful things out there. This akin to some RNC guy producing a song called Obama the Magic Negro nearly two years ago. That guy couldn't see hate in his heart and I imagine Ed Decker could not see it in his heart when he was showing this aging film clip. Wouldn't both have been so much better off if they embraced the other in brotherhood.

The song is based on comments from lefties and a news article published in the LA Times I believe. Not hate...satire....using the left words to the tune of Puff the Magic Dragon. If "hate" is to be defined by the words of the song....then those on the left are the haters...not the man who put their words to musical satire.

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So parallels to media being wrong only exist depending upon which side of the political or theological tracks you are from? If so, then justification for the cartoon does exist somewhere.

Unless one takes the position that such defaming material is in itself wrong.

No....your example was wrong. You only see that it is wrong because it was parodied on Rush Limbaugh....yet, you can't see the wrong by those who actually penned the words.

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No....your example was wrong. You only see that it is wrong because it was parodied on Rush Limbaugh....yet, you can't see the wrong by those who actually penned the words.

The wrong I was initially talking about was the guy running for Chairman of the RNC who mailed this out as a treat for the committee members. In their eyes, perhaps Obama was magic in defying the odds and was most definitely observed as a 'Negro', with full knowledge of the history behind that term. The people showing the cartoon also knew of the implications of what they were showing.

Best to let Limbaugh off with this parody, although I might add that Beck fellow does a much better parody.

So what about this anti-mormon cartoon?

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The "middle way" mentioned in the OP might be to look over some of the new, more respectful, more conversational evangelical writings--especially those done either in conjunction with LDS writers (such as the How Wide the Divide book, co-written by Robinson (BYU) and Blomberg (Denver Seminary). For a straight evangelical book, but one done with an eye to current LDS scholarship, The New Mormon Challenge is a thoughtful read. And yes, you can find reviews at FAIR or FARMS.

What you will find in these types of books is perhaps a better understanding of the best of your critics, and also a better understanding of your own faith--all without the uncleanness and disgust that some of the more shrill, but less knowledgeable critics communicate.

Personally, I do find my time at this site more invigorating than simply posting at faith-affirming sites for my own denomination. On the other hand, when it comes to knowledge-building and inspiration seeking, I would weigh heavily in favor of my own traditions resources.

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I was scared away from the Church back in the early 1990's by some anti literature, including The God Makers. It's only in the last couple of years, and through discovering resources like fairlds.org and the FARMS website, that I've had the courage to dip my toe back into the waters ever so slightly. :)

Reading through these well-written LDS resources has help me tremendously in opening up to the Church. I'm still not quite there yet, but am far closer than I have ever been, and I think most of the damage done by my prior experiences is now (thankfully) in the past.

As a non-member with Mormon sympathies, I tend approach pro- and anti-Mormon media with more-or-less equal credulity. There are some very bad anti-Mormon arguments, and some which might appear credible until you dig deeper. Jack Chick's tract "The Visitors" might seem impressive to someone unacquainted with the dismal quality of Chick's research: In the tract "Big Daddy" for example, Chick argues that gluons have never been observed so the nuclear strong force cannot exist and therefore all atomic nuclei are held together by Jesus Christ. Ergo you must repent of your sins and be saved. This doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

On the other hand I've heard some dreadfully ill-informed arguments as to why the LDS church is supposedly so superior to my own. For example: "The head of our church is Jesus Christ...not the Queen!" Anyone who knows anything about the Church of England knows that the Queen's proper title is "Supreme Governor" not "Head" of the Church. (I know people sometimes say "head" but this is technically incorrect - just as it would be incorrect to refer to Pres. Monson as "Head of the LDS Church".) An Anglican could just as easily say "The Head of our church is Jesus Christ, not Mr. Monson". The argument is meaningless either way round.

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The wrong I was initially talking about was the guy running for Chairman of the RNC who mailed this out as a treat for the committee members. In their eyes, perhaps Obama was magic in defying the odds and was most definitely observed as a 'Negro', with full knowledge of the history behind that term. The people showing the cartoon also knew of the implications of what they were showing.

Best to let Limbaugh off with this parody, although I might add that Beck fellow does a much better parody.

So what about this anti-mormon cartoon?

Moksha.....this is way off topic...BUT, the racists...which is really what you are trying to allege that the guy running for RNC chair was....are those on the left that wrote the story and uttered the words later used in a satirical political parody to point out their own racism. Your example is completely wrong.

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I spent about a decade searching out critics and criticisms of my faith. I also heavily ingested the defenses put out there by others. Topic by topic, story by story. I found it an incredibly testimony building exercise. I learned more about my church and what the gospel is by interacting with critics, than through any other exercise. Because it forced me to go to the sources - scripture, words of the prophets, and even the Gospel Principles manual.

If you're like me, and you can learn about something by encountering it's opposite, I heartilly recommend it.

If you'd like to approach criticisms of the faith by reading our answers, farms.byu.edu is an amazing resource, as is fairlds.org.

D&C 71:5-11 Now, behold this is wisdom; whoso readeth, let him understand and receive also; For unto him that receiveth it shall be given more abundantly, even power. Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest. Wherefore, let them bring forth their strong reasons against the Lord. Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you—there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper; And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded in mine own due time.

1 Peter 3:15: "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

1 Thessalonians 5:21: "Prove all things; hold fast to which is good."

Jude 1:3: "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints."

"Those to whom no problems occur are asleep at the wheel of truth."

John A. Widtsoe

"Though argument does not create conviction, the lack of it destroys belief. What seems to be proved may not be embraced; but what no one shows the ability to defend is quickly abandoned. Rational argument does not create belief, but it maintains a climate in which belief may flourish."

Austin Farrer, "The Christian Apologist," in Light on C. S. Lewis , ed. Jocelyn Gibb (New York: Harcourt and Brace, 1965), 26.

LM

In English what I always have said! Thank you LM.... hmm I am also called ML :P

While much of the arguments have already been answered, many critics and apostates tend to cling to them as if they have truth and refuse to accept the explanations, the academic, scholarly, and historical analysis provided - simply because they are not from Non-Mormon Sources.

Very well known problem for me! I been fighting with Wikipedia to correct soem things about us, but problem is that there is no "neutral" literature. As soon as someone with an other religious back ground writes about us it turns very easily to antitext.

One thing I chritisize is that anties want to be called critics! That lowers critics status a LOT! There are some critics that can be really good and dont attac you personally or the leaders of our Church, but stays in business.

That film made me laugh as when I first time looked at it in the beginning I tought it was LDS film adn was wonbdering why it was so ugly drawn, really not inviting at all! When I realised after some time that it HAD TO be an anti film I just shok my head and laughed.

The worst thing is that the anties are so sneeky they use all possible things to betray people and make them think they are real LDS... even members mistake them for real. Then they have got the eambers to listen ot read...

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The problem is, and what no one has mentioned yet, many members of the Church are unaware of the tactics the modern Evangelicals are employing. This is not saying that ALL Evangelicals are doing this, however, the facts are the facts.

1) More and more Christian Denomination Churches have specific classes designed to teach their congregates Mormonism and how to respond to Mormonism. This is usually done by someone who claims to have "authority" on the subject of Mormonism, or a person who had left the LDS Faith and embraced modern Evangelicalism and is asked to give a "class".

2) Pastors and Preachers also present sermons about Mormonism. Teaching their congregates that Mormonism if false, sharing statements made by past leaders of the Church, and discussing deeper Mormon doctrines.

3) There are some modern Evangelicals that actually may gather their information about Mormonism from such ministries as Utah Lighthouse Ministry by Gerald and Sandra Tanner, Mormon Research Ministry, Christian Apologetic Research Ministry, and Christian Research Institute (CRI).

4) There are pamphlets and booklets available online from various Christian bookstores, and even in brick and mortar Christian Bookstores that attempt to "reason away" Mormon teaching and doctrine.

Given all this information available, and the Evangelical Christian who attends church, they are provided misleading, false, misrepresented statements about what Mormon's believe. They then go out into the market place and when they come across someone who is LDS, they engage the LDS Believer in conversation.

From my own personal experience, I never really came across any "Anti-Mormon" literature or Christians who were against Mormon's per say when I was in my early twenties. That was until I had met my, now, ex-wife. She wanted to take the Missionary discussions and when her mother found out (she being an evangelical) kept trying to convince her daughter that Mormon's were wrong. Family friends were doing the same thing. I chalked it up to these people not knowing anything. It was not until my mother-in-law had asked us over for dinner and we walked in.

A guy and his wife were there and introductions were made. We had a good dinner. After dinner, my wife and I sat and the topic came up about Mormonism and how wrong my wife was for joining a Cult. The guy went on and on about how she traded her salvation for a gospel of darkness. That she had to either leave or die in her offense against God. I was stunned. Did not know what to say, nor how to respond. This was a whole new ball game and I had no clue what to do.

That was when I began to investigate and read books that responded to the Critics. I bought books upon books - The Truth about the God Makers, The Gainsayers, They Lie in Wait to Deceive. This also was the time when the internet started becoming popular and I began to read information as it was available online.

The point in bringing this up, most members of the Church really have no clue as to what is being said about the LDS Faith, about Joseph Smith, about Brigham Young. Many of them experience something similar to what I experience and are unable to understand how to properly respond to such criticisms.

Now, this does not give the right to say "well maybe we should have a class about how to respond to the critic's criticism", or to say that most members of the faith are sorely ignorant. People are intelligent, they are aware of what people are saying, just not aware of the content of what it is people are saying about the LDS Faith.

With all this inoculation, a member of the LDS Faith goes to work as if it is just another day at the office, and one of their co-workers see them reading the Ensign, or the latest book they had purchased at the LDS Bookstore, or, even the Book of Mormon. Their co-worker is an Evangelical Christian who strikes up the conversation. Friendly at first, but then turns to subtle attacks with seeds of doubt being planted. Here is an example:

"I did not know you were Mormon? How long have you been a member?"

"All my life," comes the response.

"So, you must know alot about what your church teaches?"

"Why do you ask?"

"I have some questions that I have been wondering about,"

"Like?"

"Well, I heard that Joseph Smith claimed to have seen God and Christ right?"

"Yes,"

"Well, the Bible says that no man can see God at any time so how could Joseph Smith, being a Man, claim to have seen God?"

It may not be so obvious, or even be down right invasive and aggressive. Some will even come right out and say "Mormonism is a cult, and Joseph Smith is a false Prophet because it is not Biblical" and then cite numerous scripture passages.

Sometimes, some Evangelicals will do what is called the shotgun approach where they fire off a whole bunch of questions and not allow you enough time to even respond to one of them - if you know how to answer the questions to begin with.

Even still, many will not even be obvious in their approach, befriend you, and invite you out to Church, or have you come along. Before you know it, they have a friend who had left the LDS Faith to come and talk with you.

This is a sad reality and those members who leave the LDS Faith, leave because they have not taken the time to research out some of the things. They have not taken the time to ask the right kinds of questions. They do not engage in discussing their concerns with those close to them.

Once they leave, their information is based on what they have learned from the Anti's that they then turn and attack their religion that they once claimed to have had a testimony of.

Michael Ash, in fact, wrote a book called Shaken Faith Syndrome where he discusses how this affects those who have not been well versed in the operus morandi of the Critic's play book.

In some ways, it is a wake up call and we can't stand by and let the critics define what we believe in. We have to know what they are saying about us, understand and have a strong testimony of the gospel, and be able to withstand their fiery darts.

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On a Finnish netsite where I been since 2001 there has been a person who starts with one question... innocently. When you naswer the person turns the discusition to an other question again, just as he/she feels he/she is loosing he/she comes with an other question.... this continues through the most popular tabloid style questions about the church so NO ONE is left in ignorance about what terrible people we are. :D

It is getting tiering... I think I take pention on that soon. Worst is that the person gets someone to argue ... yes,no,yes, no.... tries me too but mostly I just stop after I ahve given the right information.

It is so sad that some listen to them and cant find the right answers. I like FAIR as there you have pretty well brought in to light ALL evidences, anties and ours. We ahve lost a lot of people in scandinavia to these who lay in wait to decieve and easier life.

I have the Gaynsayers... but I think he is a Bahai now so it looks like that even though he has a lot of good stuff in the book if you use it as a referance you will hear from anties ... too bad.

Over here they show the Godmakers now and then. My friend and me thought of going to see it in a Church and laugh at all the weird things in it... I wonder what woudl ahppen. I suppose they would trow us out.:P

At least for those who can english there are some materials to read while like in Finnish there is only one pro book and 3 negative. the antisite was on line before Church site! And that antisite is soooo deceiving with a little truth and a lot wrong. It is even difficult to pinpoint the wrong there. Like of missionaries they tell that they are not allowed this or that ... which is right, but the way it is told it is like we would torture them! :eek:

Each member should know enough not to fall for these fail accusitions and they should understand in same cases why it is or was the way it was or is. But worst is when investigators meet those questions. We have a few really strong new members but they came from that bad netsite so they were vaccinated there.

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If I were to visit an LDS.net gathering, and a member happened to know someone who had been an evangelical pastor, and left it to become LDS, I would not be at all surprised to encounter a, "Hey PC, I've got someone I'd like you to meet. I think you'll find his story interesting . . . "

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If I were to visit an LDS.net gathering, and a member happened to know someone who had been an evangelical pastor, and left it to become LDS, I would not be at all surprised to encounter a, "Hey PC, I've got someone I'd like you to meet. I think you'll find his story interesting . . . "

Would an old Lutheran do, a granddaughter of two priests??? :D

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BTW, the "Barack the Magic Negro" phrase was originated by Rev. Al Sharpton, who said that Obama wasn't "down for the struggle" because he didn't grow up here in America. (He grew up in Indonesia and Kenya.) The parody song came about afterwards. Rev. Sharpton was a Hillary Clinton supporter and he was asserting that Obama wasn't "black enough" to be his choice for president.

Now back onto the topic--should members engage in viewing anti-Mormon media to become "immune" to it? I don't think so. There are many members who have not done the necessary homework to effectively refute the arguments made.

The arguments put out there by antis are designed to insinuate doubt. They don't have to prove or establish any truth. They just need to get you do not believe in truth.

There are many members, even those who served missions, who went off to college and got "educated" and lost their faith because they weren't equipped to deal with a professor who was anti-Mormon. They lost face in a discussion or they had to just stand on faith, and that played on their pride. Eventually, the doubts cankered their souls and they left the Church in darkness.

In two years of running the Society for the Prevention of Anti-Mormonism, I wrote some answers to anti-Mormon attacks, but I didn't spend much time perusing their sites. I found that, if I simply proclaimed the truth, they came looking for me. I didn't have to spend a lot of time researching their side because they are so aggressive in their attacks. I discovered that if I stand by the gospel in its simplicity, they can't defeat it. Testimony is a very simple thing. A spiritual witness can't be disproved.

Yet many good saints (including some here) resort to tangling with antis in the "mire" of archaeology, DNA, science, etc. When we do that, we give up the advantage and move into quicksand. Nobody knows more than the Lord, so if you stick to the revelations, they bad guys can't win.

Most of my work studying anti-Mormonism was focused on why they do what they do. What is it about them that doesn't allow them to rest. They are compelled to attack, constantly. The find like-minded, embittered souls on the Internet and commiserate with them. I've seen Evangelical Christians work in concert with hardened atheist/exMormons to coordinate their attacks. I've seen men plot with other antis to ensnare their still-faithful, believing wives and children. It's absolutely insidious.

No, spending time reading anti-Mormon stuff isn't spiritually beneficial. It saps life and light out of you. After two years of dealing with them, I had enough. I occasionally spotlight anti-Mormonism in my articles for the Examiner, but I found it was something that can take over your whole life. It's good to be able to walk away from it and enjoy the positive fruits of the gospel.

BTW, the archives of the Society for the Prevention of Anti-Mormonism is still available at The Society for the Prevention of Anti-Mormonism.

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