Javajot Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I have been thinking about this for a while. What do you guys/gals think about this scenario: A couple is married and sealed here on Earth. During their lifetimes one remains valiant and the other goes apostate, but they remain married until their eventual deaths. Fast forward to the after life... One of them is saved in the Celestial Kingdom and lets say the other goes Terrestrial. What now? What happens to the one in the Celestial Kingdom? Through no fault of their own they are left without spouse and I would assume are dammed in some way as they can not enjoy a "continuation of the seeds" as they are now alone. What if there was another person in the Celestial Kingdom in the same bucket, but of the opposite sex? Are they paired together? I would assume not as they "neither marry nor are given in marriage", BUT that does not seem just - through no fault of your own you are denied certain blessings - as our Father in Heaven IS just. Is there a certain doctrine I missed somewhere? Along the same lines, but not as heavy on my mind, is what about the person who is single their whole life - who through no fault of their own and despite their best efforts and honest desires is unable to find someone willing to put up with them enough to find a spouse? Or what about the soul who dies young? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captmoroniRM Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Marriage is a covenant between spouses and the Lord. The blessings of the sealing ordinance, and the ability to stay together for all eternity are dependent upon the faithfulness of both partners. Each will inherit the glory with which they are judged worthy of by the Lord, and should one be found worthy of a lesser glory, the sealing will not be valid because the covenant made between the Lord and the couple was broken. As for your other question, the Lord has promised that nobody will be denied blessings they are worthy of, but didn't have a chance to receive in this life. How exactly that will be reconciled has not yet been revealed. The Lord knows what is best and in his perfect wisdom will sort all that out eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennvan Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 What we forget about is the period of time after the earth passes into its Terrestrial state and before the final judgment. During that time Satan will be bound, people will know truth of things and many things will happen, including creation of new families. It is my belief that those who have been true to their covenants will be able to connect with others who have as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalFarms Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 What we forget about is the period of time after the earth passes into its Terrestrial state and before the final judgment. During that time Satan will be bound, people will know truth of things and many things will happen, including creation of new families. It is my belief that those who have been true to their covenants will be able to connect with others who have as well.I also think there will be much work done in the millenium to free people from spirit prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livy111us Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I think it will be very similar to this:Cancellation - Expound             Guarantee - Expound             The righteous partner will not be punished for something that they did not do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmarch Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I have been thinking about this for a while. What do you guys/gals think about this scenario:A couple is married and sealed here on Earth. During their lifetimes one remains valiant and the other goes apostate, but they remain married until their eventual deaths.Fast forward to the after life...One of them is saved in the Celestial Kingdom and lets say the other goes Terrestrial.What now? What happens to the one in the Celestial Kingdom? Through no fault of their own they are left without spouse and I would assume are dammed in some way as they can not enjoy a "continuation of the seeds" as they are now alone. What if there was another person in the Celestial Kingdom in the same bucket, but of the opposite sex? Are they paired together? I would assume not as they "neither marry nor are given in marriage", BUT that does not seem just - through no fault of your own you are denied certain blessings - as our Father in Heaven IS just.Is there a certain doctrine I missed somewhere?Along the same lines, but not as heavy on my mind, is what about the person who is single their whole life - who through no fault of their own and despite their best efforts and honest desires is unable to find someone willing to put up with them enough to find a spouse? Or what about the soul who dies young?If someone does all they can to be obedient to the Lord he cannot withould any blessings from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rameumptom Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 When Christ said that they neither marry nor are given in marriage in heaven, he was referencing the type of marriage the Jews had in their day: one done without the sealing power. God can make whatever changes he wishes. Why? Because he is God! If people are faithful and obtain the celestial kingdom, but are not married/sealed, they are given that opportunity in the next life. For the woman who is faithful, but her husband is not, she will be given the opportunity to be sealed to another in his stead. She has been faithful to her covenants with God, and rightfully can claim them hers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayanna Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I agree with rameumptom, that it how it has always been taught in my ward. If you have to choose between God and your spouse, you chose God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelPAGuy Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I cannot personally imagine going to the celestial kingdom without my wife. I believe that would be a horrible situation for myself. Except of course I would be in Heavenly Father's presence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seminarysnoozer Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 What we forget about is the period of time after the earth passes into its Terrestrial state and before the final judgment. During that time Satan will be bound, people will know truth of things and many things will happen, including creation of new families. It is my belief that those who have been true to their covenants will be able to connect with others who have as well.During the millennium there will be one giant singles ward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSChristian Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I have been thinking about this for a while. What do you guys/gals think about this scenario:A couple is married and sealed here on Earth. During their lifetimes one remains valiant and the other goes apostate, but they remain married until their eventual deaths.Fast forward to the after life...One of them is saved in the Celestial Kingdom and lets say the other goes Terrestrial.What now? What happens to the one in the Celestial Kingdom? Through no fault of their own they are left without spouse and I would assume are dammed in some way as they can not enjoy a "continuation of the seeds" as they are now alone. What if there was another person in the Celestial Kingdom in the same bucket, but of the opposite sex? Are they paired together? I would assume not as they "neither marry nor are given in marriage", BUT that does not seem just - through no fault of your own you are denied certain blessings - as our Father in Heaven IS just.Is there a certain doctrine I missed somewhere?Along the same lines, but not as heavy on my mind, is what about the person who is single their whole life - who through no fault of their own and despite their best efforts and honest desires is unable to find someone willing to put up with them enough to find a spouse? Or what about the soul who dies young?Those of the Celestial Kingdom may visit the lower kingdoms. That's what's wonderful about the mercy of God. Even if family is in different kingdoms you can still see them. Your last statement about if a person remains single on earth is where the Sealings for the Dead come in. Children under 8, according to the church, aren't accountable because they can't sin because they're still not completely developed at that age. I do believe some parts of the brain still mature at that age. That's what makes the infant baptism unbiblical. Baptism is for the remission of sins. How does an infant sin? They're not capable of doing so. If they die they will return to Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ to the Celestial Kingdom. Think about it like this, infants come here just after being with Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. Since infants are so close to Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ how are they born with the "original sin". I know it doesn't seem to have to do with what you asked but you asked about what happens to people that die young and that does have a little to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhi_Bran_y_Hud Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 "God can make whatever changes he wishes. Why? Because he is God!" Ummm... no. If that were true, Jesus would not have had to die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSChristian Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 "God can make whatever changes he wishes. Why? Because he is God!" Ummm... no. If that were true, Jesus would not have had to die.Here's another interesting way to look at it. If Jesus Christ did not die and was allowed to live on the earth forever, being the Son of God that wouldn't be impossible, friends of people that die would ask Christ to bring the friends back to life and nobody would return to Heavenly Father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhi_Bran_y_Hud Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 If Jesus said, "whoever loves mother or father more than me is not worthy of me," then wouldn't it seem that the Gospel ought to be about more than growing a family and getting to whichever kingdom tier? It seems as if the point is entirely about Him. When the Sadducees posed their question to Jesus ("what would happen in the resurrection if a woman had had seven husbands in her lifetime?") they assumed two things: 1) that the resurrection won't really happen and they were trying to prove it with this question, and 2) that marriages would continue and that the institution itself would still exist in the resurrection (or heaven, or after life, or new creation; however we want to refer to it). Jesus blasts those assumptions by saying that they "will be like angels" and that there will be no "giving and taking in marriage." The only interpretation that this passage could allow is that marriage does not continue in any way at all after death. If you try to squeeze it in somehow, you miss the entire point of Jesus' argument. Not only that, allowing marriage in the afterlife,in any form does not solve the conundrum put forth by the Sadducees--you still end up with one woman having or picking from seven men, all of whom have equal claim on her! Instead Jesus argues back in essentially this way: "that won't be a problem because all contracts of the old life will be canceled, along with old institutions." What if marriage is not an end in itself, but points to, pictures, is fulfilled in and consumed by our Lord Himself? If the Gospel becomes about who you will be married to, and how many kids you will have, there is little room for Christ; the Gospel is muddled and His face becomes obscured. The Gospel is about losing yourself in Him alone--the church is the bride of Christ: where would we we get off having brides of our own? You will say, "But we believe in Jesus!" Then isn't He enough? Am I disparaging marriage? Not at all: it is all the more sacred precious because of how fleeting it is and because of what it points to, and will give way to! Will I miss my wife? I won't have an opportunity to: she will be there as well, we have no chance of ever being separated since we are both heirs of eternal life, adopted children of God the King! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhi_Bran_y_Hud Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Here's another interesting way to look at it. If Jesus Christ did not die and was allowed to live on the earth forever, being the Son of God that wouldn't be impossible, friends of people that die would ask Christ to bring the friends back to life and nobody would return to Heavenly Father.yeah, I guess so. That would be a pretty long line though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSChristian Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 yeah, I guess so. That would be a pretty long line though...Not to mention earth would be crowded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieublanc Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) A person claiming to be a stake president talks of how he dealt with an interesting situation of a sealed woman wanting to re-marry. He discusses what might happen in the afterlife and how the sealings may be handled. [mod note - I'm about 75% sure this blog is a fake] Edited February 27, 2011 by Loudmouth_Mormon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamjet Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) A person claiming to be a stake president talks of how he dealt with an interesting situation of a sealed woman wanting to re-marry. He discusses what might happen in the afterlife and how the sealings may be handled. Interesting. Edited February 27, 2011 by Loudmouth_Mormon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 What's interesting is that this supposed Stake President has only 18 followers to his blog yet 2 people from this site have recently linked to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamjet Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Even more interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) And why are so many of those followers are also followers of an exmormon blog/site. Edited February 26, 2011 by pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayanna Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Well, I have to say, that what that blog said is what I've heard taught many times, and I don't understand why people think it is weird. It makes perfect sense to me. and alsoMarried and sealed are not the same thing.Married is only for while we are here on Earth. Sealed means sealed in heaven and on earth. That's why it's called Eternal Companion, not eternal husband. I don't even like the term eternal marriage, it's misleading to me even if it is commonly used by like everybody, including our manuals. Marriage ends at death, sealing does not.Our gospel principles manual gives us some insight to children in the postmortal world:All spirits are in adult form. They were adults before their mortal existence, and they are in adult form after death, even if they die as infants or children (see Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 131–32).Gospel Principles Chapter 41: The Postmortal Spirit WorldMaybe their time in pre and post mortal spirit world gives them time to see if they would like to be sealed to someone, and then have the sealing done after the resurrection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamjet Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) A person claiming to be a stake president talks of how he dealt with an interesting situation of a sealed woman wanting to re-marry. He discusses what might happen in the afterlife and how the sealings may be handled.This is really strange to me. My ex had her sealing canceled from her first marriage when she got pregnant with my children. Even though she had a child from that marriage (which I adopted). We were then sealed in the Temple. Something doesn't sit right with me about this. Maybe the difference is that in this case, the husband was deceased and in my ex's case, he was not. I dunno. Edited February 27, 2011 by Loudmouth_Mormon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSChristian Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 And why are so many of those followers are also followers of an exmormon blog/site.To be honest I can easily see why. By looking at the ex and anti- stuff it helps members to be ready and aware of what people try to use against the church so we can answer. I've looked up things anti-'s have said I didn't know much about and because of that I've been able to answer anti-'s. Take the Bethlehem and Jerusalem thing. I didn't really pay attention to it until someone said they contradicted. I read the scriptures and was able to answer people about what they believe is a contradiction by showing how it's not. It's not good to let the anti- stuff get to you but it's good to be prepared for what they might say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamjet Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 To be honest I can easily see why. By looking at the ex and anti- stuff it helps members to be ready and aware of what people try to use against the church so we can answer. I've looked up things anti-'s have said I didn't know much about and because of that I've been able to answer anti-'s. Take the Bethlehem and Jerusalem thing. I didn't really pay attention to it until someone said they contradicted. I read the scriptures and was able to answer people about what they believe is a contradiction by showing how it's not. It's not good to let the anti- stuff get to you but it's good to be prepared for what they might say.You don't need to use crack to know it's bad for you. You don't need to go to anti-Mormon sites to know it's bad for you. To say that you're going to see what's there and to know what to say when you're confronted is just inviting bad spirits. It's like saying you're visiting porn sites to help those who are addicted. It doesn't help them, it destroys you. Just study what you believe and you'll know plenty. Defending Mormonism isn't about getting into scripture bashes. That's useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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