One spouse goes to Celestial, the other does not


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1. Not really, remember the woman is sanctified by her husband and the husband is sanctified by the wife for the sakes of their children.

2. Remember the Lord said He is bound, only if we fulfill the condition of the Everlasting Covenant...And the Everlasting Covenant can also be called "marriage"

3. Also the Lord said that He has not given to men all His judgments.

With those three reasons alone it makes it impossible, to even speculate on the salvation of anybody.

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I have been thinking about this for a while. What do you guys/gals think about this scenario:

A couple is married and sealed here on Earth. During their lifetimes one remains valiant and the other goes apostate, but they remain married until their eventual deaths.

Fast forward to the after life...

One of them is saved in the Celestial Kingdom and lets say the other goes Terrestrial.

What now? What happens to the one in the Celestial Kingdom? Through no fault of their own they are left without spouse and I would assume are dammed in some way as they can not enjoy a "continuation of the seeds" as they are now alone.

What if there was another person in the Celestial Kingdom in the same bucket, but of the opposite sex? Are they paired together? I would assume not as they "neither marry nor are given in marriage", BUT that does not seem just - through no fault of your own you are denied certain blessings - as our Father in Heaven IS just.

Is there a certain doctrine I missed somewhere?

Along the same lines, but not as heavy on my mind, is what about the person who is single their whole life - who through no fault of their own and despite their best efforts and honest desires is unable to find someone willing to put up with them enough to find a spouse? Or what about the soul who dies young?

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1. Not really, remember the woman is sanctified by her husband and the husband is sanctified by the wife for the sakes of their children.

2. Remember the Lord said He is bound, only if we fulfill the condition of the Everlasting Covenant...And the Everlasting Covenant can also be called "marriage"

3. Also the Lord said that He has not given to men all His judgments.

With those three reasons alone it makes it impossible, to even speculate on the salvation of anybody.

bert10

Oh please tell me this is a bad dream.

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To be honest I can easily see why. By looking at the ex and anti- stuff it helps members to be ready and aware of what people try to use against the church so we can answer. I've looked up things anti-'s have said I didn't know much about and because of that I've been able to answer anti-'s. Take the Bethlehem and Jerusalem thing. I didn't really pay attention to it until someone said they contradicted. I read the scriptures and was able to answer people about what they believe is a contradiction by showing how it's not. It's not good to let the anti- stuff get to you but it's good to be prepared for what they might say.

And you would also think as a Stake President he would have multitudes of followers. It just doesn't add up to me.

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This is really strange to me. My ex had her sealing canceled from her first marriage when she got pregnant with my children. Even though she had a child from that marriage (which I adopted). We were then sealed in the Temple. Something doesn't sit right with me about this. Maybe the difference is that in this case, the husband was deceased and in my ex's case, he was not. I dunno.

It doesn't make sense to me either. One thing for sure is that God will reward the righteous according to the way they lived. No one will be punished for having a spouse that isn't worthy or for not marrying because they didn't have the opportunity. I don't think this blog is from a real stake pres either but I still found the analysis (i.e the quoting from the handbook) interesting and relevant to this discussion.

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To be honest I can easily see why. By looking at the ex and anti- stuff it helps members to be ready and aware of what people try to use against the church so we can answer. I've looked up things anti-'s have said I didn't know much about and because of that I've been able to answer anti-'s. Take the Bethlehem and Jerusalem thing. I didn't really pay attention to it until someone said they contradicted. I read the scriptures and was able to answer people about what they believe is a contradiction by showing how it's not. It's not good to let the anti- stuff get to you but it's good to be prepared for what they might say.

And how did you show that to the members that it was not a contradiction?

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You don't need to use crack to know it's bad for you. You don't need to go to anti-Mormon sites to know it's bad for you. To say that you're going to see what's there and to know what to say when you're confronted is just inviting bad spirits. It's like saying you're visiting porn sites to help those who are addicted. It doesn't help them, it destroys you. Just study what you believe and you'll know plenty. Defending Mormonism isn't about getting into scripture bashes. That's useless.

And if you don't know what people say or think or aren't prepared about certain topics you won't be able to answer. You don't need to use crack to know it's bad but you do need to study up on it to know all of its effects and exactly why you shouldn't use it so you can have facts instead of just going on "because..." so you'll have legitimate answers. You can defend the church with scripture bashing.

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I have had this question before, and I have been told that while the unworthy spouse will not be sealed, but the worthy spouse will basicly be able to find another spouse that is worthy to be sealed with.

Of course, the touchy parts would be the heartakes when a man marries a widow who is already sealed, and keeps the older husband sealing. So the husband spends his phisical life unsealed while rasing a family.

Of course, it most likely worse the other way around, get sealed, pass away, and then the wife decides to be sealed to another man. And find yourself unsealed....

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Brigham Young had something interesting to say regarding this scenario:

For the time being we have our wives, children, farms and other possessions, but unless we prove ourselves worthy, what we seem to have will be taken from us and given to those who are worthy, consequently we need not worry with regard to the defects, you need not have the least concern in the world about meeting a man in the celestial kingdom that you, if you are worthy and are so happy as to get into the celestial kingdom, can not fellowship; and if you should happen to be the one that is in fault and you cannot pass the sentinel, and your neighbor or brother does, he will not see you there, you need not be concerned in the least about being joined to any person by the holy sealing power, that will not do right in the next world. I say to my sisters in the kingdom, who are sealed to men, and who say, "We do not want this man in eternity if he is going to conduct himself there as he does here" - there is not the least danger in the world of your ever seeing him in eternity or of his seeing you there if he proves himself unworthy here.

But if he honors his Priesthood, and you are to blame and come short of doing your duty, and prove yourself unworthy of celestial glory, it will be left to him to do what he pleases with you. You will be very glad to get to him if you find the fault was in yourself and not in him. But if you are not at fault, be not troubled about being joined to him there, for no man will have the privilege of gathering his wives and children around him there unless he proves himself worthy of them.

JD 17:120, Brigham Young, June 28, 1874

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