Gift of the Holy Ghost?


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In my humble opinion the Holy Ghost does not leave us ... we leave him. The Father is the same today and forever .... He keeps His promises ... He gave us the gift of the Holy Ghost as a constant companion ... when we feel the lack it is because we have moved away from our part of the bargain. D&C 82:10 one of my favorite scriptures .."I the Lord am bound when ye do what I say, when ye do not what I say ye have no promise."

So when we actively seek repentance and forgiveness we move back within the circle of influence where we should be. Like I tell my SS kids our choices come with consequences ... being without the Holy Ghost to me is the consequence of my bad choices ... I do however agree that we also become basically immune to the promptings as we continue to make bad choices.

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I am not allowed to defend myself. If your moderator would allowed me to respond I wii. I can however point you to God's word. Please read Galatians. Your answer is in God's word. By the way, I noticed in your previous posts that you often defend yourself by a derogatory comment about whom you disagree with. Sir, you do not know me and you do not know how much I have studied or read the bible. That is a logic error on your part designed to throw off the other readers of this post and it's merit. The only word that matters is God's. Read Galatians. It is full of the true Gospel.

If you go to the Christian forum you can discuss your beliefs. I think one thing is certain may, we have far more to agree on then disagree on. We both believe in following Jesus Christ and doing good in the world.

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In my humble opinion the Holy Ghost does not leave us ... we leave him. The Father is the same today and forever .... He keeps His promises ... He gave us the gift of the Holy Ghost as a constant companion ... when we feel the lack it is because we have moved away from our part of the bargain. D&C 82:10 one of my favorite scriptures .."I the Lord am bound when ye do what I say, when ye do not what I say ye have no promise."

So when we actively seek repentance and forgiveness we move back within the circle of influence where we should be. Like I tell my SS kids our choices come with consequences ... being without the Holy Ghost to me is the consequence of my bad choices ... I do however agree that we also become basically immune to the promptings as we continue to make bad choices.

Yes, Yes you understand. This is what I have been trying to express. Thank You. So is this or is this not the LDS Gospel???????? I know it is what the bible tells us.

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I am not allowed to defend myself. If your moderator would allowed me to respond I wii. I can however point you to God's word. Please read Galatians. Your answer is in God's word. By the way, I noticed in your previous posts that you often defend yourself by a derogatory comment about whom you disagree with. Sir, you do not know me and you do not know how much I have studied or read the bible. That is a logic error on your part designed to throw off the other readers of this post and it's merit. The only word that matters is God's. Read Galatians. It is full of the true Gospel.

I've probably read Galatians AND the Bible more times than you. And I study it in-depth, studying the writings of a variety of Christian authors. I know what Galatians says, and you are taking it completely out of context, in regards to LDS belief.

You can read what I've written regarding Galatians at my blog post here:

Joel's Monastery: New Testament Gospel Doctrine Lesson 32: “Live in the Spirit” Acts 18-20, Galatians

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Yes, Yes you understand. This is what I have been trying to express. Thank You. So is this or is this not the LDS Gospel???????? I know it is what the bible tells us.

That's the beauty of it ... the gospel is the same for all of us ... we have the same Father, the same Savior, the same Holy Ghost ... the difference being that we as LDS believe that we have the blessings of Heaven that were available in Christ's church when He was on the earth.

We are so incredibly loved that every possibility has been set up for us to succeed and return home. Heavenly Father loved us before we loved Him ... if we repent and follow His Son we are promised that we will live with Him and our Savior again. I can think of no greater reward for so little from me.

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I've probably read Galatians AND the Bible more times than you. And I study it in-depth, studying the writings of a variety of Christian authors. I know what Galatians says, and you are taking it completely out of context.

You can read what I've written regarding Galatians at my blog post here:

Joel's Monastery: New Testament Gospel Doctrine Lesson 32: “Live in the Spirit” Acts 18-20, Galatians

I won't comment on your first comment. It has no merit. However, let's talk about LDS gospel only.

Question. The above responses contains mixed answers. Will the Holy Spirit depart from you because of a sin? If so than why?

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I've probably read Galatians AND the Bible more times than you. And I study it in-depth, studying the writings of a variety of Christian authors.

I have never studied the Bible commentaries of various Christian religionists. I seriously doubt I will ever do so. I read from the Bible, not from other people's commentary on the Bible. When I drink from the doctrines of life, I want to drink directly from the pure stream, not from the muddy offerings after the cattle have trampled through it.

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I won't comment on your first comment. It has no merit. However, let's talk about LDS gospel only.

Question. The above responses contains mixed answers. Will the Holy Spirit depart from you because of a sin? If so than why?

Grace, what exactly is your problem? How can you fail to understand something so clear and utterly obvious?

Don't debate the veracity of the LDS Church in this forum.

Let me repeat that, so that we can be sure you understand:

Don't debate the veracity of the LDS Church in this forum.

Seriously, how hard is that?

LDS doctrine IS Jesus' doctrine. You need not believe that, but it's true, no matter what you may think. But the point is (and say it with me now), DON'T DEBATE THE VERACITY OF THE LDS CHURCH IN THIS FORUM.

I hope I have helped clarify this issue for you.

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The lord does not dwell in unclean places??? Let me tell you, the Lord does not have any other choice. We are all unclean. all have come short. There is non righteous, not one. It is only through Jesus that we can have a relationship with God the Father and it is His work and righteousness that is accounted to us when we first believed. (Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness) A gift given to us freely by grace through faith. Once that is done He will never leave us or forsake us. You might turn away from the Spirit (that is called being double minded) but the spirit (God) will never leave you. Why do I know this? Because it is God's word and it is the Truth and the Life. His word is absolute.

You are right that none of us are truly righteous, or truly worthy. A CES friend of mine likes to quote that scripture at his bishop and stake president when he's getting a temple recommend, and they ask him if he considers himself worthy. They always roll their eyes at him and say "You know what I mean!" :lol:

Even Jesus himself said, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God" (Mark 10:18).

You are also right that God never forsakes us. If we fail to receive the Spirit, it's because we don't receive it. But God is always there "knocking at the door," so to speak.

Even though God never forsakes us, as I said earlier, I'm not convinced the Spirit dwells constantly with us, or even if it's supposed to. Much of the time we operate on our own, figure things out on our own, make our own decisions, as part of the learning process of becoming more like God, which we couldn't do if he was holding our hand all the time.

But yes, the Spirit does come to us even when we're unworthy (I know--it's happened to me). But I think we are more likely to feel and receive the Spirit more often if we're honestly trying to do what's right, and willingly letting God into our lives.

Peace,

HEP

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As a moderator, I am saying that all future communications on this thread that is not related to the LDS viewpoint and the OP will be deleted.

If you want to discuss the previous thoughts and ideas, start a new thread in a different forum besides LDS Gospel Discussion.

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Question. The above responses contains mixed answers. Will the Holy Spirit depart from you because of a sin? If so than why?

When mankind sins, they separate themselves from God. Being out of God's presence means they remove themselves out of the Holy Spirit's sphere of influence. It isn't that the Holy Ghost isn't there. It is that we harden our hearts, sometimes to the extent that we are beyond feeling.

Only faith in Christ and repentance can cause the atonement to heal us spiritually, so that we are again able to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit with us.

The greater the sin, the greater the distance we develop between us and God. It usually takes a harder heart to murder or commit adultery than it does to commit a white lie. In such cases, the Spirit's influence in our lives may be diminished, rather than extinguished. Again, this all depends upon the atonement of Christ, which comes upon us based upon our faith and repentance.

In essence, when we sin, we are fighting against the atonement and the Holy Spirit's influence. Faith and repentance bring us back into God's grace, as we humble ourselves enough to be healed/justified by Christ and then sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

As you can see, our belief in the atonement and receiving the Spirit probably is very close to what you believe regarding it.

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I agree, we have more in common than not here. The original poster was worried that the Spirit left. I agree with most of you now that we know that the Spirit never left, however, it is us that stops listening and when we come back to our sesnses and seek Him again, the Spirit Is right here where we stopped listening.

Some of you were worried that you lost the Spirit. You did not. God loves you. He loves us all so much that He gave His Son for us while we were in sin. We did not deserve Jesus. But Father loves us so. Grace.....a gift to you that you did not earn or deserve. We have a great God and His Gospel is the almost to good to be true news. Peace.

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As a moderator, I am saying that all future communications on this thread that is not related to the LDS viewpoint and the OP will be deleted.

If you want to discuss the previous thoughts and ideas, start a new thread in a different forum besides LDS Gospel Discussion.

Not to be a pain in the patootie, but it would help to know what "the" LDS viewpoint is. Judging from what I hear at church every week, there's a large variety of LDS viewpoints. "Official" Church doctrine is rather ill-defined, as far as I can tell--and maybe it's better left that way. Is everything ever spoken in General Conference official Church doctrine? Is everything in the Standard Works official doctrine? (They are, after all, the canon.) Is everything in the correlated manuals official doctrine? Is everything from pre-Correlation manuals official doctrine? Is everything in the officially published Church magazines official Church doctrine? Trust me, if you poke around in all those "official" sources, you'll find a variety of different viewpoints. ;)
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Not to be a pain in the patootie, but it would help to know what "the" LDS viewpoint is. Judging from what I hear at church every week, there's a large variety of LDS viewpoints. "Official" Church doctrine is rather ill-defined, as far as I can tell--and maybe it's better left that way. Is everything ever spoken in General Conference official Church doctrine? Is everything in the Standard Works official doctrine? (They are, after all, the canon.) Is everything in the correlated manuals official doctrine? Is everything from pre-Correlation manuals official doctrine? Is everything in the officially published Church magazines official Church doctrine? Trust me, if you poke around in all those "official" sources, you'll find a variety of different viewpoints. ;)

The response from the LDS members on this thread are quite varied. However many are in agreement with my original response. To the most part.

Ask rameumptom. He has read Galatians and the bible many times and disagrees with me and other LDS members with vigor.

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If you fully and completely repent and speak with your bishop. Yes the spirit will return and as you work through that repent process you can be blessed beyond measure. We all make mistake but we get back up and keep moving forward. There is always a way back. That is one of the blessing about the atonement. Keep up the good work!

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The gift of the Holy Ghost is given by the L-rd as a covenant that an individlual makes as part of their spiritual birth. This covenant is very similar to mariage - as we take upon us the name of our L-rd as our part of the covenant.

The promise is that when we remember our lord and not take his name in vein that we will be spiritually guided by the Holy Ghost. This is part of our new life and new birth as we become connected with the L-rd.

The "Church" is part of the gift G-d gives - that we may recieve the ordinances of salvation through those servants apointed to act as G-d's proxy and the proctor of our covenants. Then over time - because all covenants require a trial. Then after the trial the covenant is "sealed".

The companionship of the Holy Ghost guides us through this life to make our covenants complete or as Jesus said - by our faith we are made whole. --- Anciently being complete also meant to be whole or holy.

The Traveler

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